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Public Enemies my new "skinny ski"

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Problem snowbird is extremely hardsnow right now and I had 2 pairs of skis. 183 volkl Gotamas can ski most everything good but the hardpack here was getting to hard to have fun on and 162 cm Metron B5 with cracked edges that really cant be tuned anymore.

Solution demo a ton of skis and see what you like best.

After demoing 177 and 185 Volkl Karmas, 175 M-Exs,175 Monster IM88,174cm and 179 K2 Public Enemies, 177cm and 184cm Volkl Ac4.

I picked 179cm Public Enemies.

first alittle about myself.

23 year old
5th season of skiing
PSIA L2
6 foot tall
175lb
boots used for sking the PEs Krypton Pro set up stiff
binding on PEs - Look Px12ti 6mm lift wide brake binding

skis owned in order of use
164 Line 1260s
165 Line Darkside
170 Atomic Sl-9
165 Atomic Sl-11
162 Atomic Metron B5
173 Atomic Sugar Daddies
183 Volkl Gotamas

179 Public Enemies what K2 says - A truly lethal tool designed for the park and anywhere else you want to venture. This ski is built with a stiffer Triaxial braided wood core thus giving it strength to withstand the toughest of landings and the confidence and stability to rip any terrain. Equally at home in the park as it is in crud or the steeps, the PE is a menace to society and your mind that will lead you on a man hunt to discover which way is up on its op-art topsheet.

Dimensions: 118/85/109
Target Performance: High Performance All-Mountain Pipe and Park Twin
Radius: 20m @179
Construction: Torsion Box Sidewall
Core: Fir
Features: Twin Tip, Triaxial Braided Core, ABS Sidewall, Tip and Tail Rivets, 3.5 mm steel Edges

what bushwacker says

Groomed Snow - This skis is not all that damp, give you back TONS of energy, and has death hold on hard icey snow. Long turns are what it like best where is feel as if K2 made a GS ski with a twin tip. Park and riding to feel the sidecut produced some knee against the snow fun. add alittle steering of you own and the K2 will go where you want,when you want now. short radius turns at slow speeds are a chore due to how stiff the ski is and the long sidecut, but speed up alittle bit get over the tip of the ski and let that edge engage high in the turn and you will have the some of the most energetic pop this side of a racestock Sl ski. high energy high speed short turns are flat out amazing. but doesnt like to "cruise". death cookies on groomer you will feel again not a damp skis..

Bumps - what bumps is what I thought after skiing lower silver fox at snowbird. all I was doing was using ski rebound and then absorbing while my skis slid over the tops of bumps. I never felt as if I need to "pull" my legs up the skis where doing it for me. IT felt as if my legs were those of a frog and that bump were a green groomer. The snow was much better in the bumps then on the groomer so harder bumps will have to wait till I skis alta rutted icey bumps.

Off trail chackly snow. having alittle problems with these stillin tighter trees. I catch edges cause I am not sking well enough. for right now my Gotamas are still a great choice cause I can pivot on those where as the K2 I cannot yet. Once i get use to it thought I imagine the K2 will slay trees better than the gotamas.

tracked up light crud - you get some minor tip float and the skis just plows though it. We have very little of this around right now so more coming soon after the next strom gets tracked out

that all for right now coming soon.....

powder(when we get some), expanded crud, nastar race course, and park and pipe
post #2 of 21
Hey glad to hear you finally got them mounted up. How do they compare to the im88?
post #3 of 21
I was in Sun Valley the other day and saw probably the two best skiers on the hill and both guys were on Public Enemies. I was blown away to see them both laying sweet ditches on very hard man-made snow. Saw one of the guys ski switch down a very steep icy run. He was going faster than all the rest of the people on the run. Think I will try a pair for sure!
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
more to add...

this ski is making me a better skier. If you are not on top of the tip during the beginning of the turn it will just pop you out at the bottom. I need something that kick my ass when I screw up and this is it.

Bumps still great in bump even at slower speeds. with these skis and my new kryptons I feel so good at skiing bumps.

Crud awesome is a crud buster unless it is refrozen death cookies, then the tip just chatters really bad not like my past atomics or not as good as my Volkl Gotamas at refrozen crud.

Tree now that I have my own tune on the skis. Tree have become fun its narrow enough to be quick edge to edge. Can be pivoted, sliped engaged elect and nimble enough to jump small obstacles and deal with small drops(head high) in the trees.

Powder - skied in knee Deep snow at snowbird 2 sunday ago, and at first it felt awkward due to how skinny (for me) it is. You dont float really but you dont get bogged down either. It slayed powder bumps all day long. Pretty good powder ski but not anything like my gotamas.

Heavier untracked snow it doesnt float like a REALLY fat ski will but it floats me at 175lb, if you have enough space turn in heavy untracked snow are not only possiable but fun.

Park and Jumps remember mounted 'all mountain"

very nice skis to jump on not as forgiving as other park skis but I knew that going in. give you alittle bit of added boost on ollies and light enough swing weight that the few spins up to 540 I have done have been quite easy. Landing is taking off switch is mearly OK but it not really a hassle it just there are better pure park skis out there(I doubt they cna match this thing on the rest of the mountain though) with the shorter tail. Freeskiing and teaching switch the skis is very responsive and skis well backwards, on mellow greens I can even Railroad Tracks turns switch.

at brighton

Halfpipe - stiff skis are what the pros use in the pipe, turns out in the pipe these are WAY too much ski for me. I am getting thrown all over the place and IMO I use to ski pipes better on soft skis. the pipe was just ok though so next time I see a pipe I will give it another go.

to answer tromano's question the IM88 is better on groomers, has a higher top speed on groomers or heavy frozen crud, easy to carve(at high speeds), but not so good in tight turns, didnt like it bumps, very 'dead' feeling, and just didnt feel as fun to me.
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
Bumps still great in bump even at slower speeds. with these skis and my new kryptons I feel so good at skiing bumps.
There were quite a few bumpers on Outer Limits skiing Kryptons...I saw more Kryptons than any other boot there.
post #6 of 21
Im mounting a pair tommorrow with same binder and just wondering where did you mount yours? I was thinking +2 for all mountain but would like some input.
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
I mounted mine at midsole.....the all mountain point. Mounting forward would cause me to ski in the backseat.
post #8 of 21
How did mid sole work for you in the park and riding switch? I mounted my at midsole 2 days ago and I am planning to head out on Friday, just want to know what ill be expecting in the park. I ski about 70% groomers and 30% park
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
I can ski switch fine on it and land switch fine but not as good as a center mount. FYI its in one of the above post...
post #10 of 21

PE Setup

What type of binding did you mount?
Is the binding on a lifter? if so how high?
Did you go with a normal or wide brake for the 85 mm waist?

My intended use is as an all mountain ski in the Tahoe area (Kirkwood) - for days after a storm off piste (I have a set of powder skis) for pow pockets, crud, bumps....

Im looking to get a pair of PEs (179 mm) and will either purchase a new set of the Look PX 12 (or rossi equivalent) or move a set of Look Pivot 12s
Normal Brake is about 80-82 mm - possibly could fit by bending.
post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 
binding on PEs - Look Px12ti 6mm lift wide brake binding

in the original post

I think you choice is wise
post #12 of 21
K2 manage to keep making good skis (with a slight bad patch in the late 90s before Petrick came back). useful, sensible skis that perform.
post #13 of 21
Ahh...thanks for your binding set-up...looked right past it the 1st time.:
My compliments on your review of the PEs,,Ive seen a number of concurring (but less detailed reviews) on the fact that these skis rip in all conditions and are priced very aggresively. I'm defineitely going for the set up your have with the Looks/Rossis! Now with the storms coming into the Sierras I can finally shelve my rock skis and make use of some new gear (hopefully)
post #14 of 21

my .o2

The telemark version- the Piste Pipe is a very versatile stick as well- same ski plus inserts and different graphics.

Much to my dismay, they hold an edge like buswacker says and hold up to a lot of abuse. Currently my do everything on hardpack tele ski. If you approach the start of your turn correctly, they will lock into a nice carve that allows you to vary the radius (nice progressive flex allows this)
post #15 of 21

PE Mounting Position

I just recieved my new 179cm PEs ($299 at evogear.com) and a set of Rossi axial2 120 Ti Pro w/ wide brake ($99 at backcountry.com, this is virtually identical to the Look PX12 Ti w/ 6 mm lifter, great price and they have ~ 600 pairs available). BushwPA said he mounted the bindindings at the midsole mark on the PEs. Im assumming this means it lines up with the boot mark.
In comparing the snow contact point of the PEs to my other skis - Volant Chubb (latest version w/ 95 mm waist) and Dynastar Intutive 74s the Midsole mounting of the PE is at least 1-2 cm further back- Im interested to hear from the group thoughts/rationale on the recommended mounting position:

- Am I misunderstanding BushwPA recommendation on the midpoint mounting? - that it aligns with the boot mark
- Even if it is a mount that is further back it is right for this ski?

I ask your patience if I'm asking an obvious question, but I am a little concerned to see the mid sole mounting position be sooo far back relative to my other skis ...and I want to drill once
post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 
midsole all mounted I hope you got it right....I set mine up allmountain not at the freestyle mark
post #17 of 21
Have you skied other twin tips like Scratch or Trouble series? How do they compare? I'm thinking about buying twin tip skis, need some direction and recs.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by SwamptoRocky View Post
Have you skied other twin tips like Scratch or Trouble series? How do they compare? I'm thinking about buying twin tip skis, need some direction and recs.
Here's my review of the Scratch FS & Sprayer BC: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=52471
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by SwamptoRocky View Post
Have you skied other twin tips like Scratch or Trouble series? How do they compare? I'm thinking about buying twin tip skis, need some direction and recs.
I have the Scratch FS and have skied the Public Enemy. The Scratch FS is a more solid ski carving at high speed on hard snow. The interesting thing I found about it is the sweetspot when carving has been moved forward on the ski to better match the forward mount. While this is great for hard snow & groomer performance it makes the ski dive more in deep snow. The PEs sweet spot is further back which means you can (and probably should) mount the bindings further back and still be over the carving sweet spot. This makes it a better choice if you are planning to use it for more than a couple inches of powder.
post #20 of 21

Mounting Position

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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
midsole all mounted I hope you got it right....I set mine up allmountain not at the freestyle mark
Got to ski these Tuesday at Kwood - 12"-16" of light powder. Mounted them like Bush - mid sole / rear mark. They were very maneuverable, all turn shapes easily skied. Always felt centered - and best of all - never felt any tip dive.
post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Kuma View Post
Got to ski these Tuesday at Kwood - 12"-16" of light powder. Mounted them like Bush - mid sole / rear mark. They were very maneuverable, all turn shapes easily skied. Always felt centered - and best of all - never felt any tip dive.
skis powder very well, better than alot of wider skis. In my own quiver I would rather ski the PEs in powder than the mantras.
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