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Help...uneven quad fatigue and "one ski" chatter

post #1 of 14
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I just returned from a 4 day Utah trip. Took lessons on days 2 and 3 with two different instructors and had my boots aligned (day 3). I am having a big issue with my right side that I don't recollect ever happening before on any previous ski trips. I described the problem to both instructors, but neither could see anything with my mechanics that jumped out at them.

I am getting very fatigued in my right quad (much, much more than my left) and my right ski 'wanders' or chatters when skiing flat or slowly. The left is very stable. At the same time, I am not feeling properly 'balanced' on my right side. When skiing slowly or standing still, I don't feel that I can keep even pressure/weight on both feet, and I feel like this contributes to the ski wandering and the fatigue. The alignment did not make the problem go away. Unfortunately, I don't have any photos or video. Any ideas?
post #2 of 14
Are your legs the same length?
post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
Are your legs the same length?
Yep, as far as I (and my chiropractor) know.
post #4 of 14
You note that none of the instructors had any input regarding the problem so this confuses me .... (not a hard thing to do ), but it sounds like the problem started before the boot work?

Lessons on day two and three with the boots done on day three.

How old are you and how often do you ski or work out .... other sports?

When did you notice the fatigue and if the skis are flat on the ground is there a difference in camber ... one flatter than the other?
post #5 of 14
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You note that none of the instructors had any input regarding the problem so this confuses me .... (not a hard thing to do ), but it sounds like the problem started before the boot work?

Lessons on day two and three with the boots done on day three.

How old are you and how often do you ski or work out .... other sports?

When did you notice the fatigue and if the skis are flat on the ground is there a difference in camber ... one flatter than the other?
Yuki, in fairness to the instructor both lessons were groups of 5 skiiers. At the beginning of each lesson I told the instructor about my issue and asked him/her to watch me for related issues, but I went along with the main instructional points and tips being taught and didn't spend a lot of time focusing attention on my issues, so as not to take away from the other's time. At the end of the lessons, the instructors both told me they had not seen any obvious mechinical problems that could be causing the problem.

I am 40 YOA, and this season have skiied 2 days in Nov. (Col), 2 in Dec. (Minn.) and 4 in January so far (Utah). Will be doing 5 days in Utah, beginning Jan 31, will ski 2-5 more days late Feb. or early March. I did not have the problem in Nov. or Dec. this season or last year on the same equipment.

I work out regularly and this year I have been doing lunges to strenghthen my legs. My wife has a theory that because I have been a competitive slalom waterskiier (left foot forward) for many years and in my 20's I competed regularly at a high level in bowling, my left leg is just a lot stronger than my right. I am not (yet) ready to accept this as the "cause", as I didn't have the problem (or didn't notice it) before recently.

Re: camber - I don't see any difference in the skis.
post #6 of 14
bodie,

I would go to a different shop and have your allignment checked again. Is it possible the correction was made in the wrong direction?? If you don't have orthodic foot beds, it may be also time to look into that. Do your boots have a ski/walk mode??? If so, are they both in the same mode? Is it possible that the spoiler in the back cuff has shifted? Is it possible that one of the footbeds that are in the shell under the liner is missing, or are mixed up??
I've have seen all of these variations happen to boots and cause what you are describing.

RW
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Originally Posted by Ron White View Post
bodie,

I would go to a different shop and have your allignment checked again. Is it possible the correction was made in the wrong direction?? If you don't have orthodic foot beds, it may be also time to look into that. Do your boots have a ski/walk mode??? If so, are they both in the same mode? Is it possible that the spoiler in the back cuff has shifted? Is it possible that one of the footbeds that are in the shell under the liner is missing, or are mixed up??
I've have seen all of these variations happen to boots and cause what you are describing.

RW
Ron,
You may have "solved" this mystery. I just pulled my boots out of the suitcase (got back from SLC this afternoon) and examined them closely. Looking directly at the back of the boots, I noticed that there was about 3/8 inch difference between where the right and left boots were set/canted, but both had the lever set in the "ski" mode. I forced the upper section of the right boot forward (it was 'really' stuck) and it clicked nicely and loudly into the the correct 'ski' position. That "has" to be the problem! Obviously, my right leg/ankle have been tipped backward, putting my ski and leg at the incorrect angle for proper contact with the snow. The ski shop must not have noticed this when the alignment was done. Thanks!!

I will be back on the slopes in two weeks, and should know for sure immediately whether that was, in fact, the problem. You da man.

...hmmm.... thinking about that alignment. If this turns out to be the problem, I guess I should get the alignment re-done, as my foot would not have been in the proper position when it was aligned the other day.
post #8 of 14
bmillar,

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...hmmm.... thinking about that alignment. If this turns out to be the problem, I guess I should get the alignment re-done, as my foot would not have been in the proper position when it was aligned the other day.
It would be a good idea to have the allignment rechecked before you hit the slopes again. I could give you more quality ski time. Good luck!

RW
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
Are your legs the same length?
...apparently they were not this week
post #10 of 14
Ron ,

Truly great call. I'm very impressed.
post #11 of 14
If after rechecking the alignment (you may want to experiment yourself with shims or duct tape) you find this is not the problem, you may want to enlist a PT to do an assessment on you!

good luck!
b
post #12 of 14
The current trend is for skiers to be more upright in their boots than in past years. It is often recommended that any spoilers or other gizmos that angle the leg forward be removed. I've done that and like the result.

How far east of the Mountains? Glenn and Joseph at http://www.neskisystems.com are among the best at alignment.


Ken
post #13 of 14
SSG,

It depends. That solution is not always correct. Although for the generally overweight North American, it will provide extra calf room, so I suppose that calling it a "trend" is correct. Just like the "trend" towards obesity.

Is it the "right" thing to do for fit individuals? Only your bootfitter would know for sure....
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
How far east of the Mountains? Glenn and Joseph at http://www.neskisystems.com are among the best at alignment.

Ken
I'm in the SE. So NE ski is not an option, but thanks. I will be back in the west in less than 2 weeks, so I'm planning to hit the slopes, ski a bit, and then get the alignment checked on day 1 of 5 days.
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