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post #1 of 26
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Soo.....I'm friends with a couple neighbors in their 50's who ski Sugar Bowl several times each year....been skiing since my age (in 19).

Anyway, last year, they invited me along, and gave me one of their old pair of skis to use to see if I liked skiing. Signed me up for a beginner lesson, and I picked up really fast. Halfway through the day, the bindings on the old boots broke, so I rented equipment from the shop. Man, what a difference. Parabolic skis were like night and day compared to the old straight skis. I didn't get off the bunny slope that day, but at the end of the day I had it down.

Went up once more that year for a day, and skiied Jerome all day. Got the hang of it pretty quick. Lots of falling while I got everything figured out. In any event, I totally got the skiing bug. I'm seriously addicted, theres nothing like it. Unfortuantly, I dont have the time or the money right now to ski often, or buy my own equipment.

Been up once this year, Jan 9. Had snowed a bit the week before. Sure arent getting the usual snow up there. Anyway, I went down Jerome (the easy slope) a couple times while I remembered the trick of things, the headed up to Lincoln and the intermediate slopes. Had a ton of fun, didn't fall much at all, although I started to lose my balance a lot of times but managed to correct before falling. I still have some problems with speed, as I'm still getting the hang of controlling myself. I tend to slide a lot on the steeper intermediate stuff to slow down. I'm getting over it though, as I feel more confortable.

Im still quite a beginner, with truly awful form, which I'm trying to improve, and I know enough not to do anything stupid. When I have the money, I really have to buy my own good equipment and get into it more. Skiing is just so awesome, I don't think life would be worth living if I couldnt ski(one of the reasons I dont act foolish and do stuff above my experience level heh heh heh).

I'm going up again Thursday, hasn't snowed for two weeks, probably wont snow again for another two weeks either, so it wont be the best, but its groomed and all, so shouldnt be too bad. I want to get another day in to refine my skills, otherwise if I wait too long, Ill have to spend half the day getting aquainted.

The main probs I have right now is, well, basically all the beginner problems. Proper form, getting a rhtymn, turning properly, all of that. Killing my legs by sliding and stuff too much. Even though I suck, I still have the time of my life.

So...yeah. Skiing kicks ass!
post #2 of 26
great we have got another one addicted.

you cant learn to ski off a website but I am sure the local ski school is worth it.

Your female right?
post #3 of 26
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
great we have got another one addicted.

you cant learn to ski off a website but I am sure the local ski school is worth it.

Your female right?
Hehe. Yeah, its awesome.

I've been reading tips and technique online to help me out as much I can. I sorta have to learn by trial and error, since I cant afford instruction right now. I'm having fun anyway, and thats what counts.

And no, I'm a guy.
post #4 of 26
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Hehe. Yeah, its awesome.

I've been reading tips and technique online to help me out as much I can. I sorta have to learn by trial and error, since I cant afford instruction right now. I'm having fun anyway, and thats what counts.

And no, I'm a guy.
I'm not sure where you are from but many resorts have been taking part in low cost three series lessons , tickets and rentals for less than 100 bucks for the newbees to our beloved sport. Check and see if something like this is available to you. They are a great way to explore this sport and get some affordable schooling that will make your entry into the world of sliding on snow a safe and fun one. They are for snowboarders and skiers alike

I got apathy for my feline friends also
post #5 of 26
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I'm not sure where you are from but many resorts have been taking part in low cost three series lessons , tickets and rentals for less than 100 bucks for the newbees to our beloved sport. Check and see if something like this is available to you. They are a great way to explore this sport and get some affordable schooling that will make your entry into the world of sliding on snow a safe and fun one. They are for snowboarders and skiers alike

I got apathy for my feline friends also
Hmm...SF Bay Area here, go to Sugar Bowl cuz its closest for one day trips.

Oh, and the nickname is misleading you. I love cats. The nick refers to cats aloof attitude.
post #6 of 26
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Hmm...SF Bay Area here, go to Sugar Bowl cuz its closest for one day trips.

Oh, and the nickname is misleading you. I love cats. Anyway, the nickname has a big long story behind it.
Wouldn't apathy signify a sensitivity to the needs of felines? I've been owned by cats for a few decades.
Check into that lesson deal I think some western resorts are taking part in it. I've seen it at a few in the PNW

Oh yeah , welcome to Epic. Next month we'll havea new forum just for the beginner to find answers and ask questions in. Until then, ask away here.
post #7 of 26
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Hmm, apathy to me means "a lack of emotion or enthusiasm".
post #8 of 26
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Hmm, apathy to me means "a lack of emotion or enthusiasm".
Yeah you're right A doh on my part.Thinking empathy the opposite.Apathy must be a private joke on your part if you like cats.I better go to bed and take my cold medicine and just give this up. My brain is mush right now
post #9 of 26
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Yeah you're right A doh on my part.Thinking empathy the opposite.Apathy must be a private joke on your part if you like cats.I better go to bed and take my cold medicine and just give this up. My brain is mush right now
Yeah, sort of a private joke. I love cats. Cats are often apathetic by nature, content to be aloof and ignore us humans. I sorta share a cats apathetic nature, so thats where I get the name.
post #10 of 26
Look - from the sugarbowl web site:

FIRST TURNS PROGRAM - 10am and 1pm daily
Learning to ski or snowboard is easy with the First Turns Program. This package includes a 2 hour lesson, rental equipment, and a lift ticket good on our beginner lifts- White Pine, Flume, Jerome Hill Express, Christmas Tree, Nob Hill, and Meadow.

Adult 23-59 Ski or Board Package$85 Young Adult 13-22 Ski or Board Package$75 *Absolute Beginner Ski or Board Package$50 *Lifts include White Pine, The Flume, Nob Hill, and Meadow

Any group lesson with two or less students will be converted to a one-hour private at no additional cost.
All group lessons for both children and adult are only offered at our MSLC Pavillion at Mt. Judah Mid Week. All services are offered at both portals weekends and holidays only.

And as an added bonus if you can choke down a dollar menu double cheeseburger....

More at Sugar Bowl. More time with your kids and more skiing for your money. Sugar Bowl has teamed up with McDonalds for an 11th season to help you get more for your family! Just bring a McDonalds receipt to the ticket window and Sugar Bowl will give you $10 off a lift ticket for kids aged 6-12. That means kids ski for only $5 any day on any lift. Each child must be accompanied by a paying adult in their immediate family. This year, Sugar Bowl also extends the discount to the adults in the family with $10 off the “First Turns” Learn to Ski Package. Just bring the receipt to the ticket window for the discount. The biggest winners of the McSki program are the kids who need help from Ronald McDonald charities. Sugar Bowl donates $2 per McSki participant. Sugar Bowl has donated over $180,000 to Ronald McDonald charities since the inception of this program.

For less than the cost of a lift ticket and rental you also get a two hour lesson. SCORE!
post #11 of 26
Hey, not all cats are apathetic. Here's my cat, Razi, doing critical movement analysis of Annie Black, Colorado's Ski Instructor of the Year, skiing the powder at Keystone:



Welcome to EpicSki, FA!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #12 of 26
Oh--and Razi agrees with MisterK--look into those lessons at Sugarbowl. It's the best investment you can make in your skiing. Lessons will start you off on the right foot, and help make sure you don't just start practicing bad habits and getting good at bad skiing!

Razi will be watching.



Best regards,
Bob
post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by MisterK View Post
Look - from the sugarbowl web site:

FIRST TURNS PROGRAM - 10am and 1pm daily
Learning to ski or snowboard is easy with the First Turns Program. This package includes a 2 hour lesson, rental equipment, and a lift ticket good on our beginner lifts- White Pine, Flume, Jerome Hill Express, Christmas Tree, Nob Hill, and Meadow.

Adult 23-59 Ski or Board Package$85 Young Adult 13-22 Ski or Board Package$75 *Absolute Beginner Ski or Board Package$50 *Lifts include White Pine, The Flume, Nob Hill, and Meadow

Any group lesson with two or less students will be converted to a one-hour private at no additional cost.
All group lessons for both children and adult are only offered at our MSLC Pavillion at Mt. Judah Mid Week. All services are offered at both portals weekends and holidays only.

For less than the cost of a lift ticket and rental you also get a two hour lesson. SCORE!
Hmmm....yeah, the absolute beginner thing is the one I took the first time skiing.

The beginner hills (Jerome is the most advanced) sorta suck, cuz the runs are sooooo short and the lifts are sooooo slow... lol...... *grumble*

Might be worth it though.....
post #14 of 26
Welcome.

Spend your money first on lessons, and almost as important: good boots fitted by a pro bootfitter. I think proper boot-fitting for a beginner will make an enormous difference and allow you to progress much faster than otherwise.
With fitted boots you'll be working on technique cleanly rather than battleing the boots...not that you'd know you're battling your boots, you'd just find skiing harder to learn than it should be.

Ask the pro bootfitter which boots suit your feet before you buy. There's a ton of info here on this subject, as well as an incomplete but growing listing of recommended bootfitter (by area).

Have fun . . . and post pictures!
post #15 of 26
It is nice to hear from an enthusiastic beginner on Epicski.

It makes a change from complicated technique discussions that lose me after two sentences, or downbeat posts from the more experienced skiers.
post #16 of 26
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Trying to decide whether or not to do the lesson package when I go Thursday....Sort of a tossup, because I only get to go like 4 times a season probably, and they are one day trips, skiing from 9am to 2pm, not really enough time to get good at whatever I learn from a lesson...especially when its two or more weeks between trips. Dunno.

Last year I took the beginner lesson to learn the basics, and I've progressed a good deal beyond that...I may not be very good at all, but I have lots of fun and thats what counts....Seeing as how I have a limited time on the slopes each year, I might just forego the lesson in order to have the most fun by being able to go on the big mountain with the long runs back to the lift. Its not nearly as fun when you're on the relativly small slope and having to jump on the lift for the slow ride back up all the time. Dunno.....

I'll see....Cant make up my mind. I'll think about it.
post #17 of 26
Welcome to a fellow feline-ophile

I'm a relative beginner so perhaps I can address things. I got started with a 3-day-lesson package thing. I advanced quite quickly. Then due to some circumstances beyond my control I didn't get out to ski again for over a month. I figured I couldn't possibly have forgotten everything so quickly and had a miserable first half of the day. Took a 2 hr private lesson and the instructor worked with me on some of particular flaws in basic technique to get me back on track. I haven't taken a lesson since but I keep advancing. That one private lesson was a blessing since it addressed my own particular problems on a basic level. The basics are all you need to then work on you own.

Last year, my first day out after a whole 8 months off my first run was a bit shakey, but things came back quickly after the first 2 runs. Now I'm starting to find that time between isn't so hard. The more you ski, the more it can become second nature (and i'm not talking going skiing everyday, just it piles up after a while. However the stuff that I worked out in that one lesson might've interfered with this had I not been able to correct it. So talk to the staff at Sugarbowl. I'd suspect that midweek if you sign up for a group, but explain your current experience level you might find yourself in a private anyhow.
post #18 of 26
Your next lesson starts where you think you fit in. You tell them what you can do , What your goals are and they will fit the instruction to your needs.
There is no need to waste time revisting what you covered before. A lesson will help get you on a good path and you can work on stuff on your own or play with a new skill you just picked up.
post #19 of 26
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Yeah, depends if its slow enough tomorrow that I get upped to a private if no more than two show. I dont think Id benefit much from a group thing with a bunch of real beginners.
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by FelineApathy View Post
Yeah, depends if its slow enough tomorrow that I get upped to a private if no more than two show. I dont think Id benefit much from a group thing with a bunch of real beginners.
If you were in a group , they'd put with others of similar needs and skills. Beginning skiers to dynamic parallel and everything on between. True beginners are not put in with skiers that can handle other terrain besides the green runs.
post #21 of 26
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If you were in a group , they'd put with others of similar needs and skills. Beginning skiers to dynamic parallel and everything on between. True beginners are not put in with skiers that can handle other terrain besides the green runs.
Hmm, even when its the beginners package (First Turns) type thing? I can see if it was one of the regular group lessons....Dunno.

Ive got the basic stuff from my lesson last year...you know, weight on the one ski to turn, keep your upper body going down, don't lean back or into the slope, have your shins touching the boot tongue, put your hand on your leg to keep proper form in a turn, can do a farly decent "hockey stop" type thing, am pretty comfortable at high speeds and can control myself as long as its not too steep or narrow whatever.

The main problem I'm having at the moment, is on the somewhat steeper parts of the blue diamonds, I traverse a lot, because I'm afraid of ditching at higher speeds on the hardpack....Did it once, not a whole lot of fun, slid a good ways down the slope, lol. However, all that traversing causes havoc with the rest of the people who just go straight down, in long casual turns or quick short turns. Its not that I'm not capable of doing it, I just panic going down a relativly steeper section at higher speeds, and that panic makes me loose concentration and fall. Of course, when Im going to slow, its hard to turn into each curve, and so I get nervous that I wont make the turn and go straight down, lol. I also have to concentrate on my form, which doesnt come naturally yet.
post #22 of 26
Finishing turns controls your speed. Having confidence that you can finish a turn will make initiating the turn a much more relaxed experience for you.

When you're on more easy going runs, really focus on finishing your turns...then take that confidence and skill to the steeper terrain.
post #23 of 26
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Originally Posted by FelineApathy View Post
Hmm, even when its the beginners package (First Turns) type thing? I can see if it was one of the regular group lessons....Dunno.

Ive got the basic stuff from my lesson last year...you know, weight on the one ski to turn, keep your upper body going down, don't lean back or into the slope, have your shins touching the boot tongue, put your hand on your leg to keep proper form in a turn, can do a farly decent "hockey stop" type thing, am pretty comfortable at high speeds and can control myself as long as its not too steep or narrow whatever.

The main problem I'm having at the moment, is on the somewhat steeper parts of the blue diamonds, I traverse a lot, because I'm afraid of ditching at higher speeds on the hardpack....Did it once, not a whole lot of fun, slid a good ways down the slope, lol. However, all that traversing causes havoc with the rest of the people who just go straight down, in long casual turns or quick short turns. Its not that I'm not capable of doing it, I just panic going down a relativly steeper section at higher speeds, and that panic makes me loose concentration and fall. Of course, when Im going to slow, its hard to turn into each curve, and so I get nervous that I wont make the turn and go straight down, lol. I also have to concentrate on my form, which doesnt come naturally yet.
You should do the group lesson but tell them what you say here. Maybe , it being a weekday, you'll be the only one of your skil level and end up with a private at group rates. Even if it was just a few of you learning how to control speed through turn shape is a priority one skill to learn. You sound like you get around ok and this would be a really useful lesson for you .
My son has snowboarded and went up lifts before and I put him in a series three beginners group lesson and they tailored his lessons to his needs and he did pretty well by it.
It doesn't hurt to ask . Check in at the lesson desk and hear what they have to offer you.
post #24 of 26
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Skiing is just so awesome, I don't think life would be worth living if I couldnt ski
This is a skier. A beginner yes, but one who will persevere through bone-jarring wipeouts, digit-numbing cold and agonizing boot pain.
post #25 of 26
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Man, I'm exausted and about to hit the sack. Been awake since 3:45am.

So, went to Sugar Bowl today. Second time this year. Anyway, last time I was wearing size 12 boots. They felt OK, of course I couldnt really tell because I was just getting the hang of things again.

So I rented my gear and headed up to the "beginner slope" (Jerome, has two good blue diamonds and a long green). First run down, I knew something was wrong. I couldnt "feel" the skis. Everything felt sloshy. Went back and got 11 1/2s (20.5 I think that is). Had pain with squished toes, but once I knocked my heel back and leaned forward, the pressure was relieved. Hit the slope again and it was like everything was different. I was doing awesome on that very next run. Made a few runs on the moderatly steep blue diamonds and then I headed up to the big mountain, Mt Lincoln.

I totally tore up the slope today. I had everything under perfect control, and went down the steeper blues without any problems whatsoever. Only fell once all day. I wasn't having to fight my skis either, I just went with the flow and let the skis do the work. Made a huge difference, I didn't feel nearly as tired, although when I quit at 2pm, I knew it was time to stop. You get tired on that last run and get sloppy. Should stop on the run before that "last one", but you dont realize how tired you are until youre halfway down and feeling sluggish going into the turns.

It was a different type of tiredness though, just a general tiredness, not the aching muscles and stuff like you get when youre fighting everything.

In any event, I didn't take a lesson, and didnt need to take one. I thought I might, but after a couple runs, I realized I didn't. Having the proper fit boots, and the practice last time, everything totally clicked. Its weird, you hit this point where everything clicks, and you dont look at a slope like "Man thats scary steep", you look at it and either go "Hmm, I can manage that" or "Nah, not good enough for that yet". Anyway.....I had a ton of fun.

We need some more snow up at Sugar Bowl....hasnt snowed for 3 weeks. What snow is there wasnt bad today though, it was below freezing, and groomed and quite nice. Up at the top, there was quite a breeze blowing though, nearly knocks you over, but once you get off the crest and head down the fall line the wind wasn't blowing at you.

So, yeah. Awesome day.
post #26 of 26
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Oh, and there was literally nobody there. Maybe half a dozen people on each run at the most, most of the time it was clear sailing fore and aft.
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