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Bolle Modulator lenses

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Has anyone tried the new Bolle Modulator goggle lenses.

When I first heard of this I thought this was a major step in goggle improvement. It's really a no brainer.

Put one lense in and go but.....

Does it work?

Do they fog?
post #2 of 25

Modulator Lenses

Marmot mb, I bought a pair (54 dollars) about 5 weeks ago as we have a lot of flat light conditions up here. I got the ones you're referring to with the Vermillion lense. they work very well, best one goggle I've ever had for flat light and daylight. No fogging problems. Some friends of min have the almost clear ones (forgot the brand) and they let me try there's ok in flat light but if the sun comes out/watch out you'll squint so bad you'll think you're blind. Like my Bolle Modulators in Vermillion.
post #3 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
Marmot mb, I bought a pair (54 dollars) about 5 weeks ago as we have a lot of flat light conditions up here. I got the ones you're referring to with the Vermillion lense. they work very well, best one goggle I've ever had for flat light and daylight. No fogging problems.
Do these lenses actually change darkness?

IE when the sun comes out they get lighter tinted and when it gets darker out they transition to a lighter tint?

dumb question I know but I don't trust marketing gimicks anymore. I could see them advertising them as if they do this when they really don't and all they do it be useable in both conditions.
post #4 of 25
I'm assuming the Modulators are the photochromatic ones? I got some Bolle X-500s last year. They are all I wear and seem to work. I wore my photochromatic normal glasses under them, and they didn't go dark, so I guess the lenses are working. Only problem with mine is the lense is proud of the frame, so they are scratched up to hell. However I think I'll investigate the next generation and get some more as the simplicity of wearing them at night or in bright sunlight is brilliant.
post #5 of 25

Modulator Lense

Marmot, yes they actually change shade but its very subtle not real obvious like some glasses. I've used them in almost all conditions except full mammoth like sun AND like them very much.
post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
Marmot, yes they actually change shade but its very subtle not real obvious like some glasses. I've used them in almost all conditions except full mammoth like sun AND like them very much.

Thanks Pete
post #7 of 25
Does anyone know whether the modulator lenses are available on different models of Bolle goggles or on just one model?

I've only seen them on the Bolle Nova.
post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 
as per Bolle.com it's available in the:

Cyclone Modulator Citrus

Nova Modulator Citrus
Noval Modulator Vermillion

X-9 OTG Modulator Vermillion

I truly can't understand why this is not done by alot more manufacturers and why it's not just standard. I mean why for any reason would one NOT want this in a goggle lense.

For years the problem has always been they could not make a plastic resond to UV light changes.
post #9 of 25
? They've been making normal prescription glasses out of plastic that changes in the light for years. I've been buying them since the early 90s (prior to that I got the glass versions. heavier).
post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 
I guess I just stopped asking years ago (before the 90's) and gave up on the idea. I have been wearing glasses my whole life and was always told I couldn't get transition lenses in plastic.

Damn optical people

So then the questions begs WHY THE HELL did goggle manufacturers not do this sooner ?
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by Marmot mb View Post
I guess I just stopped asking years ago (before the 90's) and gave up on the idea. I have been wearing glasses my whole life and was always told I couldn't get transition lenses in plastic.

Damn optical people

So then the questions begs WHY THE HELL did goggle manufacturers not do this sooner ?
They were having too much fun charging $130 for high end (no tech)goggles...to add real technology and keep their profit margin would mean the goggles would have to cost nearly $300. Guess someone finally thought it was time for a "break through". :
post #12 of 25
Bumping up an old thread.  I just checked the Bolle website; it seems they've dropped the Modulator.  Anyone have any further thoughts -- good or bad -- on photochromic goggles?  Which models to consider?  Thanks. 

EDIT:  I checked "lense color" after first posting the above.  "Modulator" is not a Bolle goggle model, but a lense choice.   Still interested in any further experience in photochromic lenses anyone may have had in the couple years since this thread started.  Thanks. 
post #13 of 25
I did some further research.  One reason that photochromic lenses may not be a pure play is that the low-light end of their "visible light transmission" (VLT -- how much light the lens lets in) range is not really that low compared to a non-photochromic low-light lens:

Mfgr. / lens
High light VLT (%)
Low light VLT (%)
Bolle / Modulator Amber
14
45
Bolle / Modulator Gray
12
26
Zeal / SPPX
13
43
Zeal / PPX
16
33
Julbo / Zebra
6.6
40.7
Smith / Sensor (non-photo)
 
70
Smith / RC36 (non-photo)
 
36
Smith / Sol-X (non-photo)
10
 
               
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by Jimski View Post

I did some further research.  One reason that photochromic lenses may not be a pure play is that the low-light end of their "visible light transmission" (VLT -- how much light the lens lets in) range is not really that low compared to a non-photochromic low-light lens:

Mfgr. / lens
High light VLT (%)
Low light VLT (%)
Bolle / Modulator Amber
14
45
Bolle / Modulator Gray
12
26
Zeal / SPPX
13
43
Zeal / PPX
16
33
Julbo / Zebra
6.6
40.7
Smith / Sensor (non-photo)
 
70
Smith / RC36 (non-photo)
 
36
Smith / Sol-X (non-photo)
10
 
               
 If this chart means "Modulator Gray" = Vermillion and "Modulator Amber" = Citrus, I would think the Citrus lens would be the one to beat (taking the Smith Sensor out of the equation), although the Vermillion seems to get better reviews.  These goggles seem pretty good for the price if they actually work as advertised.
post #15 of 25
BTW, it seems that chart may be reflecting different Modulator lenses than Bolle ships on their goggles (sunglasses perhaps?)...

From my research, it looks like:

Modulator Citrus -  28%  - 66%
Modulator Vermillion - 26% - 66%

So if this is correct, UV transmission-wise, they should be about the same on the low light spectrum, more of a personal preferece.

Which begs to ask, which is better in low light....amber or red lenses??
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by Jimski View Post
...  One reason that photochromic lenses may not be a pure play is that the low-light end of their "visible light transmission" (VLT -- how much light the lens lets in) range is not really that low compared to a non-photochromic low-light lens ....

That is exactly my experience in real life, so I usually pack two goggles that cover the full spectrum: (1) Bolle Modulator (Vermillion?  reddish - pink color) for sunny and mixed days; and (2) Smith Sensor Mirror for grey / dark days. 

When it's truly flat light, the Bolle Modulator lightens up and is better than the non-photochromic Bolle amber lens, but not nearly as clear as the Sensor Mirror.  So if it's a gray day, I wear the Sensor Mirror (Oakley "High Intensity" yellow or persimmon would also be a good choice). 

Anything else, i.e., sunny or mixed days, it's the Modulator -- which lightens up enough to help out when it gets dark near sunset, or when clouds blow through and the light alternates between bright and dark. 
post #17 of 25
This will be my third seasom wearing Vermillion Modulators in a Bolle OTG goggle. Nice comfy google, good ventilation and no steaming problems. I wear them over my Transitions glasses with a Giro G10 helmet at all times. Temps have been +15 to -7 C

The vermillion is the best low light lens I've used, period

The modulator doesnt really go dark enough for bright days, but the combo over transitions glasses does work very well and covers all weathers, bright to dull and flat
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by elduderino View Post

BTW, it seems that chart may be reflecting different Modulator lenses than Bolle ships on their goggles (sunglasses perhaps?)...

From my research, it looks like:

Modulator Citrus -  28%  - 66%
Modulator Vermillion - 26% - 66%

So if this is correct, UV transmission-wise, they should be about the same on the low light spectrum, more of a personal preferece.

Which begs to ask, which is better in low light....amber or red lenses??

 

Eldurino -- You are right.  Sorry to all for posting bad info.   My chart had the VLT range for Bolle's sunglasses modulator lenses.  The ranges for the goggles modulator lenses is exactly as you said.  Here is the corrected chart:  

Mfgr. / lens
High light VLT (%)
Low light VLT (%)
Bolle / Modulator Vermillion
26
66
Bolle / Modulator Amber
28
66
Zeal / SPPX
13
43
Zeal / PPX
16
33
Julbo / Zebra
6.6
40.7
Smith / Sensor (non-photo)
 
70
Smith / RC36 (non-photo)
 
36
Smith / Sol-X (non-photo)
10
 

That puts the low light VLT of the Bolle lenses very close to the Smith Sensor.   Now, I had heard that the Sensor had other features in addition to high VLT that make it a good choice for flat light.  I can't remember exactly what the sales person said -- something about heightening contrast.  Anyone know anything about this?  

But even if that is the case, with Eldurino's correction of my numbers, it's kind of a toss-up:  maybe somewhat better vision with Smith Sensor lens vs. not having to swap lens or goggles mid-day with the Bolle Modulator. 
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by madmole View Post

This will be my third seasom wearing Vermillion Modulators in a Bolle OTG goggle. Nice comfy google, good ventilation and no steaming problems. I wear them over my Transitions glasses with a Giro G10 helmet at all times. Temps have been +15 to -7 C

The vermillion is the best low light lens I've used, period

The modulator doesnt really go dark enough for bright days, but the combo over transitions glasses does work very well and covers all weathers, bright to dull and flat
 

Do your transition lenses darken under the goggles?  I just got a pair of Y6 OTG goggles with the Vermillion modulator lens (haven't had a chance to use them yet) and have transition lenses in my glasses.  The transition lenses only darken when exposed to UV rays (e.g. they don't darken when driving because the windshield blocks UV rays), but the goggles are supposed to block UV.  Guess I'll find out but I was curious based on your post.
post #20 of 25
Thread Starter 
Gald to see this old post is still kicking.  Still haven't strayed from my Oakley Wisdoms, but as they are discontinued now, and the lenses haze up if they get wet, it will be time for a new pair of goggles soon and the Bolle modulators are still top on my list.
post #21 of 25
My transitions darken a little when its really bright (Late season, high altitude) but no most of the time the Modulators stop all the UV

But I'm not certain that transition lenses darken to only UV, they do darken a little even in the car with the windows closed and glass does stop all UV

Anyway the combo seems to work very well for me from VERY bright to flat light days

PS the X-9 OTG goggles are not bad either
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by madmole View Post

PS the X-9 OTG goggles are not bad either


From what I can find the X-9s are for large faces & the Y-6s fro medium.  What are the other differences, if any?
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by madmole View Post

PS the X-9 OTG goggles are not bad either


From what I can find the X9s appear to be designed for a larger face than the Y6s.  Do you know of other differences?  I really couldn't find much describing the differences.
post #24 of 25
 i agree
post #25 of 25

I'm standing before the choice of a Bolle goggle with the vermillion modulator glass or a Jubla with zebra glass.

How does the vermillion do in very sunny conditions ?

 

Does 26 VTL block enough sun ?

I'm looking for a all weather goggle as far as there is one .... I'm really torn between the two .....

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