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HEAD Monster iM72 factory angle - change in future?

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Seems like the factory angles on the HEAD Monster iM72's are:
0.5 base and 1.0 side.

I'll see what they're like when I ski them but this seems like they will be quick to catch the turn but the edge hold won't be as good as many suggest (on here) using 2 degrees side.

Any thoughts?
post #2 of 25
Are you taking them west?
post #3 of 25
i had my rossi's re-tuned to 1/3 like my atomics...1/3 = grippage
post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
Are you taking them west?
Nope, Austria... :
post #5 of 25

1 base, 3 side...

...is a pretty stock number for any all-mountain ski...
post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 
Won't a base edge of 1 mean that skis are slightly slower to catch when turning?

Why do the factory tunes start off at 0.5 base/1 edge...out of interest ?
post #7 of 25
Thread Starter 
what effects do you think you'd feel with a 0.5/1 over a 1/3 ?
post #8 of 25
Did the peeps at Head tell you that? Reason I ask is because my i.C300 carvers and RD i.GS are both 1 base 1.5 edge, this told to me by a tech at Head. They also told me the more recreational skis are 1/1.
post #9 of 25
I will almost guarantee you the im72 does not come from the factory with a .5 base bevel. I lay money on a 1 degree!

I would also change to at least a 2 degree side edge.
post #10 of 25
I just received and email from the head Rep. here. he has been with the company for many years.

he say factory settings are:

i SL Rd 1 base 2 side edge

iM88 1 base 2 side edge

SuperShape Speed 1 base 2 side edge.

I will go out on a limb here and guess that the im72 is 1/2.

I seriously doubt and do not beleive any factory puts a 1.5 degree side edge on any ski. And .5 base bevel is in no way appropriate for an all mountain an all-mountain ski like the 72. .5 is normally reserved for higher level racers in slalom only!
post #11 of 25
Thread Starter 
This:
http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewt...924&highlight=

Doesn't mean it's true though...
post #12 of 25
If you call Head in Ct, they will tell you that all US skis are 1/1. I couldnt believe it but I called myself. I have my SS's and 82's at 2/1(base)
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by GordonFreeman View Post
Won't a base edge of 1 mean that skis are slightly slower to catch when turning?
Depends on how quick the ankles, knees and hips are

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Why do the factory tunes start off at 0.5 base/1 edge...out of interest ?
I suspect it might be a 'salt to taste' thing, namely it is easier from 0.5/1 to go to 0.75/1, 1/1, 1/2, 1/3 or whatever, and shipping them with the extra material means the shipping nicks can be removed in the final prep?
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by GordonFreeman View Post
This:
http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewt...924&highlight=

Doesn't mean it's true though...
Does not mean it is not true either. You are basing your opinion on heresay form a couple of (pardon the reference Spyderjon) yahoos with a true bar.

I am aware of no all mountain ski that comes with a .5 base bevel. Again only slalom race skis and usuually only race stock, if they are factory beveled.

My next call will be to the local very high end tuning shop. they sell Head!
post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
If you call Head in Ct, they will tell you that all US skis are 1/1.
Same experience here.
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by Coach13 View Post
Same experience here.
I beleive this is probably the case, except for the RD skis.

My isl RD has noticably more edge grip then my Supershape Speed. the difference feels like side edge angle, not the difference between a Slalom & Gs ski.
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
I beleive this is probably the case, except for the RD skis.
Could very well be.

I was told that the Monter line was 1/1. I only own the im77 & the im82, so I can't vouch for the im72 or the im88, but I'd assume they're the same.
post #18 of 25
Okay I just got off the phone with Head yet again. I told them the discrepancies we all are having with the bevel information, and gave them the various figures that we all have...ready for this, well this time they gave me a differnet answer, the receptionist went to the tech in the warranty dept and asked what the edge angles are, the answer is, as Finndog stated, ALL Head skis come with 1/1 bevels, even the race stock skis.....well thats just great : ...now I have to buy a different shim for my SVST, and I will probably go with the 3* edge on my RD GS as Atomicman suggested and just forget these dumb factory settings. No wonder I was sliding around when I was laying the skis down; and I thought it was my technique. They told me you could make the edge bevels 1.5*....whatever that means.
post #19 of 25
I also have the 06/07 im88. Skied it all monday afternoon. I amthourly impressed with this ski.

Even I could carve this thing on groomers. ou can feel the Intelligence technology stiffen the ski torsionally when you hit the groomed. With a 19m radius and 88 at the waist, I am now a beleiver! I am skiing it in a 185 w/ Mojo 15 mounted right on the deck!
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by GordonFreeman View Post
Nope, Austria... :
GF, normally I would say leave them alone as I agree with A_man most likely you are on a 1 degree base ski out of the wrap. However, just what are the conditions in Austria?...sounded a little hellish a while back. Edge bite might be of particular concern there and then you may wish to true up at 1:2 (IMO, do not go past a 1:3 and don't lay out a new .5 base)
post #21 of 25
2/1 is really fine for the vast majority of skiing. Unless you are on really, really hard snow, then you could go 2/.5, I think the 3/1 is a bit overkill unless you are racing for real and the edges will wear quickly. Keep in mind going ot .5 will requre a base grind
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
I also have the 06/07 im88. Skied it all monday afternoon. I amthourly impressed with this ski.

Even I could carve this thing on groomers. ou can feel the Intelligence technology stiffen the ski torsionally when you hit the groomed. With a 19m radius and 88 at the waist, I am now a beleiver! I am skiing it in a 185 w/ Mojo 15 mounted right on the deck!
I love that ski as well, but don't tempt me. I've already got more skis than I need with what little snow we have here this winter.
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by Coach13 View Post
I love that ski as well, but don't tempt me. I've already got more skis than I need with what little snow we have here this winter.
My typing sucks! I am skiing it in a 175 w/Mjo 15 mounted on the deck!
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
2/1 is really fine for the vast majority of skiing. Unless you are on really, really hard snow, then you could go 2/.5, I think the 3/1 is a bit overkill unless you are racing for real and the edges will wear quickly. Keep in mind going ot .5 will requre a base grind

You always quote base bevel/side bevel. You meant a 1/2! It is just like construction is always quoted WXH.

And you are confused. A .5 would not make the ski hold any better on hard snow. that is determined by side edge angle. Base edge bevel determines how quickly/abruptly the ski gets to the edge.

A. 5 is very demanding, makes the ski more difficult to slide and exacerbates any lateral alignmnt issues one may have.

A 1/3 would be the ticket for top notch edge grip and smooth predictable transitions wiothout having to over inclinate/angulate to get the edge and has no negative effects in soft snow. so you get all the grip with no downside.

I have experimented with .5,.7 1 base bevel and 1,2 3 and 4 degree side edges.

For most folks on most skis a 1/3 is the ideal set-up!!!!!! And for about the 100th time a 3 does not wear any faster then a 2. That is folklore!

It is not that the edge is any sharper, the angle is just more acute!



You just must be sure that you do a true 1 degree base bevel. many home tuners end up over beveling hteir bases. With base bevel if a little is good more is not better.
post #25 of 25
Tune the skis to suit your skiing style and snow conditions.

0.5° base bevel is OK on dry snow. 1° is better on wet snow, and maybe the best all-round for most of us.

3° side bevel grips better on hard snow, but a bigger chunk gets knocked out when you hit a rock. 2° is a good choice for most of us.


Ken
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