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post #1 of 80
Thread Starter 
Hi i know this is kinda off topic but i need help.: I am in high School and am running out of time to find colleges to go to. I want a school were i can ski alot and get a job at the resort. Problom is they dont have a website that shows cool ski colleges. Oh and it needs to be a 4 year or my dad isnt going to want to help pay for me to go out of state. Any suggestions? Where did you guys go? - Thanks, Boston
post #2 of 80
Assuming you're looking in New England:

University of Vermont (my alma mater)
Saint Michaels (way more girls than guys)
Middlebury (better have a real strong academic resume)
Dartmouth (ditto X2)
post #3 of 80
Maybe you ought to consider getting your ski ya yas out first so you can focus on the right college based on academics and your major when you are more ready to maximize that experience and investment??

My ticket to Colorado from Mass was CU Boulder which turned into the 'eight year plan' which included a three year ski 'sabbatical' because school was way secondary. I went back ready to hammer (and obtained residency) and worked Eldora on the weekends while in school and focused on school only during the week.....still haven't gotten my ya yas out yet, though.

Durango is also a college/ski town as is Gunnison.
post #4 of 80
Old saying....

Do what you have to do, so you can do what you want to do.
post #5 of 80
UNH- University of New Hampshire might have some of what you are looking for. What do you want to do other than ski?
post #6 of 80
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Old saying....

Do what you have to do, so you can do what you want to do.
Yes^^^ and as my father used to say, "Everybody works for their own recreation. finding a job in recreation as a way to shortcut it isn't always the answer."
Now, most people have to work their way through college, a resort job isn't that bad in that respect. (my daddy never paid my education, fwiw)

I did what you want to do. I went to jc in tahoe, university in Bozeman, skied 5-7 days a week while a student, taught skiing, patrolled, etc for 7 years before I finally graduated... broke and homeless. I even scored corporate grants and used them on heli time in new zealand. (figure out corporate grants. RESEARCH THAT!!! and apply for every single one you find.) when I graduated, my folks had ZERO money to help. My buddies back in tahoe created a non-existent job for me at the resort and floated me for 2 months before I got on my feet. (God I love you guys!!!)

What do I wish I would have done? gone full-time evenings, skied 2-4 days a week, didn't work at a resort for a pass. finished in four years so I could be ahead of where I am at 31. I now ski 2-4 days a week, completely free from the industry and have absolutely no problem paying retail for all my gear. I work a real job and create my own free time and can afford new schwag when it comes out. (ski bill has already broken 3000$ and it's only January. How many resort employees do you know can do that?) I'm not commited to a hill via a ski job and my trips include heli time. (not many resort employees can do that either.) I just wish I would have started doing it earlier instead of milking my resort job chasing down pro-forms and free passes. I skied alot, but a resort job isn't the only way to do that. One season even lacked a pass (when I started taking school seriously) I toured 4 days a week with a tent for 10 weeks straight. went to school tue-thr. Never crossed another track that season. (your partner pending of course.)

take school seriously, it won't go away on it's own. Finish it, get your crap together (you're still a kid by the way, even though you're convinced you're an adult.) then establish that lifestyle with income and benefits that allow a skiing schedule. It's not difficult. One of my main ski partners in tahoe was a dentist. He skied 5 days a week and serviced teeth in the evenings. (how much schooling do think that took?) It's called being independent and running your own gig, not working for someone else who gives you a pass and offers pro-form. :

Now I'm living in japan, riding weekends and evenings. (evenings in japan are storms/flood lights btw, no crowds.) I have 2 weeks over the christmas holidays= local trees/pow this winter. 3 weeks in march= ski trip to nagano. one month in august= nz helis.

Why didn't I start doing this 8 years ago???!!! oh because i was putting off my finals. (I actually skipped a final for a powder day. ended up taking the course again. I paid for one course twice!!! Loser )

get ahead now.

oh, and I'm married, my wife has no problems with my ski bill. Of course I pamper her with trips to world-class spas in thailand at 400 bucks a day. : well... helis cost that much.
post #7 of 80
oh... I should mention that I have a good friend who is now the ski-school director of a major west coast resort and became such in his early 30's. He finished college in 4 years too. He was a part-time instructor on weekends until he graduated and then went full time. For him the resort job was the thing to do and still is. (he's one of the highest paid on the mountain.) My point being, he finished school in 4 years and didn't waste valuable mid-week hours on pow. Now, he skis everyday and will probably retire from that place. He's one of the lucky ones. Every year the mountain hires more and more instructors. some stay, some don't. only a few can afford their homes after years of on-hill service. All of them finished school... quickly, when they were children. All of them now ski everyday and will continue to do so.

edit:
you wanted some college names. oops. I do that. There is no ski-guide to universities, as you mentioned. (maybe you should write it) Anything remotely close to the mountain is fine. i researched University of Utah in SLC= snowbird, alta, etc..., CSU- Boulder= crested butte, etc..., MSU-Bozeman= bridger Bowl, Big Sky. Sierra Nevada (tahoe private)= north shore tahoe/ Rose, Squaw., East coast, I have no idea. Nonetheless, finishing in 4 years is my recommendation, regardless of part time jobs. Don't fret about skiing when you're young if you want to ski when you're old too. If skiing for the rest of your life is important... well, see the posts above.
post #8 of 80
*Cue uppity UVM alumni*
post #9 of 80
Thread Starter 
As to the questions what i want to do and what do i like other than skiing? the answer is not much. Skiing is my life its what i am passionate about and its what i want to do. I figure if i do what i am passionite about i will have a better chance at success. All i want to do is get through school with a good education so i can persue somthing in a skiing career like guiding heli trips or patroling I know im a kid and have alot to learn but i figure i should go to school near snow, ski and live it up while i can. Thanks for the comments everyone, anyone else please share your opinion too im open to suggestions.
post #10 of 80
Last year, I ghost wrote an article about colleges in the Rocky Mountains. I have no idea which publication it is in, or I would send you the link. It was a very detailed article that included the sort of academic stuff that would impress parents. You can PM me your email and I can send it to you in a word document.
post #11 of 80
skiing is all of our lives. we're all passionate about it. get near the snow and FINISH school.

as my heli-guide mentors told me, if the heli doesn't kill ya, the avalanches will. average career expectancy for a guide in AK= 7 years. Damn good vacation, pretty rough to make work. Unless you're an x-nhl hockey player and have the money to start your own operation. (anyone know who?) Hey, didn't I say that already; starting your own gig?

I don't mean to give you so much lip, I just like teasing those who sound exactly like I did. I just didn't listen and wish I had. Good luck kid, you're on the right track if it involves skiing in the first place. cough... finish school... cough...
post #12 of 80
If skiing is your passion and you want to go to college, why not start by researching which colleges have competative skiing programs?
post #13 of 80
Another approach for you and those making these major lifestyle decisions is that generally, the best skiing tends to be after the first of the year, though we always get pumped up with expectations too early. There's always summer school. Hitting school hard in the fall and lightening the load for the peak ski season. .....And then there is always late season hiking for turns after and during the spring term.
post #14 of 80
another uvmer here
i love uvm, good size, good academics. Burlington Vt is a beautiful area. We are 20 min from bolton, 45 from stowe and sugarbush and 1.25 hrs minimum from jay. academics first, then figure out where to get your pass
post #15 of 80
You're going to get a lot of advice here, and everyone will try to convince you that they're right, including me

That said, I would expand your search to schools that at least are within a few hours of skiing, so that you get out a few times a month. The whole point of university is that it is not high school: you will discover new things. Be open to that. You will be inspired by professors and other students in ways that you cannot even predict now. Often those boring, eye-rolling requirement classes that you look at now in the catalogues will lead to something you never anticipated. If you don't know what you want to do, then at least go to a university that presents a multitude of choice and opportunity. Don't get hung up on being "undecided"; creating options for yourself is a very good decision.

The point: don't just look at school as a moratorium, a time to ski a lot before the "real world" sets in. Look at school as a place to explore things that you never even thought about or heard of in high school. And if you can find a school with a ski hill only a couple of hours away, then your passion for the sport will make sure you get there. The idea is that you should be happy doing both: school and skiing. Otherwise, you'll blow off one for the other and end up regretting it later.

I'd suggest you look at (larger) universities: UW, UNH, UVM, CU, Dartmouth; or colleges like Middlebury. (There are a lot of very good colleges scattered around rural New England.) Be a little more careful when choosing smaller universities like WWU, UofM, MSU. While fine schools, to be sure, they don't have the menu of options like larger universities.
post #16 of 80

Oregon State University - Bend

Boston,

Oregon State University has a campus in Bend, Oregon. The only caveat is that you would have to attend Central Oregon Community College for two years and attain an Associate of Arts Transfer Degree (AAOT) and then switch to OSU. They are on the same campus. Here are the truly pertinent facts:

1.) Mount Bachelor is 25 minutes from campus
2.) Average snowfall 225"
3.) Season pass 800-900$

www.osucascades.edu
www.cocc.edu
www.mtbachelor.com

Miscellaneous factoids:

Ninety percent of the professors at COCC are Phd's, and the level of education there is excellent. The reason for this is that everyone wants to live in Bend, and the professors are willing to take less pay in order to live in this area. It has every outdoor activity you can imagine, rafting, HUGE mountain and road bike population, rock climbing, premier golf courses and skiing(obviously).

There are dorms at COCC, and countless people looking for roomates within 1 mile of campus. Average split rent 300$ month.

Mt Hood Meadows and Timberline are 2 hours away, Hoodoo is 45 minutes. Mt Baley Snow cat skiing is about 90 minutes away, phenomenal place, but a story for another day.

www.catskimtbailey.com/

Portland, our largest city (600,000) is 3 hours away.

You can get to Reno/Lake Tahoe via car in about 6 hours.

You can get roundtrip direct flights from the Bend/Redmond airport to Salt Lake City for under 200$. I highly reccommend this journey, thier slogan "The greatest snow on earth" is fairly accurate in my opinion.

Bend is a GREAT place to live, average temp in the summer 85 to highs of 95.

I have never skied in the east, but from what I understand the skiing here is superior.

If you have questions about anything regarding life here, feel free to email me directly. I can also put you in touch with counselors at COCC and OSU that can answer you questions regarding the educational opportunites available.

I returned to finish college later in life and chose this route, it was fantastic. I cannot count the days that I went skiing early and drove back to campus to take a test and then went back to finish out the day on the mountain.

Matt - CFO Tri-Star Cabinets
2004 OSU Grad in American Literature, 2005 Masters in American Lit.
post #17 of 80
Hey-

If you truly are dedicated to skiing, get out west and do it right. There's no experience like it. Colorado is the way to go, be it University of Colorado Boulder or one of the smaller schools.

If you are 18 and think skiing is what you want to do for life (and believe me, there are many people who think it is the life for them and then go out and do it every day to find that it does not satisfy as an end unto itself; i.e. living for skiing, as appealing as it sounds, is not fulfilling to everyone after a couple years) I would recommend looking locally. I lived out west for a while and am finishing up college in CT--not the ideal skiing place--but you have to remember that VT is only a quick drive. I already have 10 days in this year, and the American Ski Company Pass for $350 (no blackout dates) gives you 5 mountains, and then pick up a Jay Peak pass for $229 (no blackout) and any time it snows, you have free skiing in a large enough geographic area you can hit wherever it fell heaviest!

A place like UMASS Amherst provides you with relatively inexpensive schooling since you're in state (bonus, even if dad is paying! get a car out of it!), and the consortium they belong to is top-notch--you can take classes at Amherst, Hampshire, Smith, and I think one other one interchangeably. You'll be less than two hours from Killington and Mount Snow, and about 3? from Jay. Plus, skiing the crap we call snow only makes you better!

There is no right answer, but remember-keep your options open! You never know when you might need a different path.
post #18 of 80
I went to Saint Mike's and can honestly say it's a great school, a great area of the country to go to school with the best skiing in New England within 45 minutes ie: Stowe, MRG, Smuggs and Sugarbush..Jays a little farther. I have a sister and some relatives who went to UVM who would echo my thoughts as well. Hard to beat the Burlington area if you're in college and a skier too.
post #19 of 80
This is my standard "Where should I go to college and ski" post:
Feel free to shoot me an email and I can answer any questions you might have.

I highly recommend the University of Colorado at Boulder. I'm slightly biased since I graduated there in May, but having spent my last four years there, I completely fell in love with the state and town. I've had to move away since I joined the army and have been gone for nearly 9 months and am already trying to figure out how I can get back.

CU is within about 1.5 hours of Keystone, Winter Park/Marjane, Loveland(which is a bit closer), Copper Mountain, Breckenridge, and Arapahoe Basin. It's slightly less than 2 hours to Vail and 4 hours from Aspen. In my 4 years I managed to ski all of those mountains...there's great deals on season passes for students, $175 to Copper/Winter Park, and $350 for Keystone/ABasin/Breckenridge +10 days to Vail/Beaver Creek.


The school itself is right next to the foothills of the mountains and the campus is gorgeous. I could jog 5 minutes out my back door in college and be running trails in the mountains. It has a very liberal student population, but you can walk any line you want to there(I'm a conservative military guy myself and loved it). It's only 40 minutes from downtown Denver. The student population is incredibly involved in outdoor sports like rock climbing, skiing/boarding, running, you name it. There's a reason why Outside magazine recently labeled Boulder as the #1 outside town to live in.

Going to school there was one of the best choices I've ever made.
End of advertisement.

I forgot to mention the physics department earned 3 nobel prizes in the last 4 years, and the great engineering and business programs. It also sees 300 days of sunshine a year.
post #20 of 80
Thread Starter 
A quick comment so you guys all know a couple people mentioned new england I live in california currently more specifically about 2 hours from tahoe so i am looking for some place other than cali too go to school.
post #21 of 80
I think your username threw a lot of us off.

Well, if Tahoe is your home skiing turf, then you will not want to go East. I might get flak for that, but you know it's true.

Are you sure in-state is not an option? California is a big place. There are a lot of UC/Cal State schools within three hours of good skiing. The Cal State system is on the rise. They are some of the highest paying public universities in the country and have been recruiting faculty of surprisingly high caliber in the last few years. Much of the Cal State system is no longer the "second fiddle" to the UC system.

A lot of folks here are pushing CU. It is a very good university, with about as full of a menu as you could imagine. UW is another good option if you want to stay in the West. And both of those schools also happen to be in pretty cool cities.

FWIW, a lot of undergrads at MSU here in Bozeman beg, scratch, and crawl for jobs at Bridger Bowl or Big Sky. Not too many do that for a second year. Working where you play is never as fun as it sounds. It's still work.
post #22 of 80
you live two hours from tahoe and want to get farther? Ok, I understand the the need to leave a home state for university. we all want to get as far away from home as possible. But in all honesty, going out of state and paying out of state tuition can be insanely expensive; maybe 3x as much as in state. I know you mentionedy our dad will pay, but still, it's not 3x the education.

My dad told me my whole life he would pay, then when I got there, he said; sorry, I don't have any money, the recession (90's) had set the family pretty far back from his layoff. I ended up paying for everything yet still needed to fulfill the family-promise of getting a degree. Things don't always go as planned. I would HIGHLY recommend staying in-state unless you plan on taking a year off to gain residency in the next state, which will just set you a year behind, keeping that ski dream another year away.

chico...
sac state...
you know the others...
post #23 of 80
Thread Starter 
oh i see you thought Boston. lol Actually my real name is Boston sorry for the confusion lol. Oh and i was thinking somthing along the lines of oregon, wash. ,colorado, idaho some place fairly close to home east coast is a little far.
post #24 of 80
In Montana:

Montana State University (Bozeman) is near Bridger Bowl (16 miles), Big Sky, and Moonlight Basin.

University of Montana (Missoula) is near Montana Snowbowl.
post #25 of 80
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Originally Posted by faber View Post
I think your username threw a lot of us off.
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Well, if Tahoe is your home skiing turf, then you will not want to go East.
A lot of folks here are pushing CU. It is a very good university, with about as full of a menu as you could imagine.
Sounds like a perfect fit. One nickname for CU is University of California, Boulder campus. :
post #26 of 80
I always laugh when people mention UNH as a skiing school...it's on the coast! The closest ski area is Gunrock (maybe 45 minutes) but that's not worth mentioning. The next closest real area is Attitash? I've heard it before, but you can't make it to the north end of the Mt Washington Valley in an hour from Durham. I'll call BS every time someone brings it up. I've made that drive in all seasons and there ain't no way.

There's lots of schools closer to skiing in NH, but I would say only Dartmouth is a better school (some might argue Colby-Sawyer but that's not real close to anything but Ragged and the Crotch anyway).

As for the uppity UVM alumni comment...whatever. We love our alma mater for a reason and push it because we want others to experience the same great atmosphere that we did.
post #27 of 80
UW is a QUALITY school and only is going up with a VERY good president. Its academics are way up there.

You should also look into Winters at Westminster, you get to ski something like 4 days a week and you take normal classes and get internships with ski companies and learn all you need to know, it would be great if youre looking into a career in the ski business.
post #28 of 80
I am a senior mechanical engineering student Right Now At the University at Buffalo. I sometimes regret not going out west but I'm still living cheaply at home, paying in-state tuition and skiing my local hill. I have gotten right around 70 days or nights (night skiing helps alot) of skiing in per season and worked a part time job.
All of the good schools have been mentioned already, Westminster sounds like an interesting program. I considered it for a winter.
post #29 of 80
University of Washington (my alma mater) has many local ski resorts between 1 and 2 hours away. We also have Whistler up north which is about a 5 hour drive.

Whatever you do, make sure you get that degree!
post #30 of 80
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Originally Posted by Newman View Post
Whatever you do, make sure you get that degree!
grew up hearing it. and to be honest, the majority of people are going for more. MA's are much the norm among today's academic realm, imo. BA is so 20th century.

if you have any desire to work abroad (I didn't when I was a student) you won't be considered without a BA. If you actually want to make a career out of anything international, MA is standard. 90% of all career-oriented teaching gigs over here require a master's. (I know, that's just teaching.)

then again, you don't need a degree to teach in the states.
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