Originally Posted by Anakedman
How will the karma and pe work compared to the ac3 on groomers, tight turns on groomers, really fast long turns, and what size should i get . Thanks and keep the responses coming.
Well...they won't rail like the ac3's will, but they will both hold an edge well for a twin and I would say in general people prefer these two skis when it comes to all mtn. twin tips (not including powder boards).
I haven't skied the Karma but I have skied the 05/06 PE in a 174 and it holds an edge well and has a surprisingly amt of rebound and a tight turn radius. The right size for you would depend on personal preference and how strong of a skier you are. I'm assuming if you're looking at the AC3 your pretty experienced/skilled - what's the split you ski between park and all mtn? if it's 90% all mtn, 10% park my opinion
(not necessarily correct) would be that you should go longer - 174 PE or 177 Karma (I've read the karma skis short for its size while the K2 skis a little long). If it's the other way around at 10% park, 90% all mtn. I'd probably go 169PE, 169Karma. I think anything under that size for you would be too short and lose that stability you're looking for.
Just a side note - I'm a little over 6' between 180/185lbs, and I have a pair of 170 stockli snakes I bought at the end of last year (Look P12 binders). I got to ski them for the first time two weeks ago and they are FANTASTIC. They RAIL, they are light (lighter than my brother's 174 PE's), stiff, and are a twin. They far exceeded my expectations and I couldn't be more impressed with Stockli. I could have gone with a 180 but I wanted them shorter for park/bumps/smaller mid-atlantic resorts and I have NO regrets. In fact, I think for most resorts in the east I would now prefer
to ski them over my 178 nordica top fuels because they are just that much fun. They are expensive and stockli doesn't make them anymore (they only ran for 04-06 because the snake skin top sheet was too expensive to produce I heard) but they definitely fit what you are looking for - FYI someone is actually selling a pair over on TGR HERE
with bindings for what seems to be a great
price. If you are unfamiliar with Stockli
just do a few searches, they are a top notch manufacturer. You can find a review of the snake on the web HERE
. Good luck with your choice.