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Teaching Women-PSIA event

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Please see the following thread in meet-on-the-hill planning

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...221#post632221
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I hope you get some more participants, FOG. It's kind of sad to think there aren't enough people signed up to hold a clinic on teaching women, when women are such a huge market.
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I'd drive you too, nolo, but you gotta get closer to Maryland. The problem is not so much a lack of interest in the particular event, as people holding off until they see more snow on the ground. I was scheduled for an event on teaching children which was also canceled due to insufficient attendance.

I think that teaching women is a special skill, and the course was on my nice-to-have list when I was thinking about the children's specialist accreditation. I can't find enough slots to make the chlidren's specialist accreditation work with my real-life work meeting schedule, so I was trying for a different accreditation this year. It looks like I may just have to get what I can, and try again next year. I think way too much focus is on teaching adults, and even there insufficient emphasis on teaching women. Our teaching needs to mirror our student population, not our instructor population.

I have noticed that female examiners often do a good and very different job of teaching me. I would like to assimilate what is unique in their teaching. I also infer from that experience that women likely can receive something different from female instructors. I would like to be able to add that to my capabilities, so female students get at least as much from my instruction as they would have from a female instructor.

Finally, I have noted that PSIA courses I have taken have been more effective and beneficial for me when I have female fellow students. This means that there is something added to the mix that I don't bring. I would like to add that capabilitiy to my everyday dealings and to my participation in other events.

For a description of the Eastern Division Master Teacher program and accreditation areas see: http://www.psia-e.org/ed/MTC/
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Thank you for the offer!

I have actually taught women's and children's clinics here in the N. Rockies and they are a lot of fun. I think it's because they are both population groups with whom we don't presume a linear progression will work best. Vive la difference!
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I think it's because they are both population groups with whom we don't presume a linear progression will work best.
This is a fascinating statement. I understand about kids. Why would we not presume that a linear progression would be as effective with women as with men? BTW, I am not a big fan of linear progressions to begin with, for men, women or kids. I get much better results by having people feel their skis under various movements, and also get excellent results with chase games, for all age groups. Chase games get everyone leaning forward with little thought, and result in much more fluid skiing than I see after attempting linear progressions.
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I have noticed that female examiners often do a good and very different job of teaching me. I would like to assimilate what is unique in their teaching. I also infer from that experience that women likely can receive something different from female instructors. I would like to be able to add that to my capabilities, so female students get at least as much from my instruction as they would have from a female instructor.
What is it about female examiners you found unique and beneficial?

Hopefully, we'll get some snow and you'll be able to have your event.
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What is it about female examiners you found unique and beneficial?
I am hard-pressed to characterize this. I have had Sno Pro Jam (ITC) courses conducted by Suzy Chase-Motzkin and Liz Starr, and have done the Wednesday afternoon at Sno Pro Jam with Deb Armstrong one year, and Sue Kramer this past December. I also took the At Your Service module with Pam Greene. All of them seem lower key than the male examiners, perhaps caring more, if that is the correct word, for their classes. It may also be that somehow they unconciously emphasized the social aspect of the group. I assume we know each other fairly well, Jess, so I wish I had a more concrete handle on the essence of their teaching which has done well for me. I attempt to emulate some of their activities, as far as seems reasonable with my personality. Your last clinic (12/23) showed a great move in the direction of these examiners.
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FOG, that was something I learned at a PSIA Examiner's clinic, that the male learning preference was for LOGICal progression and the female learning preference was for CONTEXTual relevance. It rings true for me!
post #9 of 13
Have you considered having SkiDiva post this on her forum?

Its smaller, much smaller but its also female specific, so you may hit your target group.
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Have you considered having SkiDiva post this on her forum?

Its smaller, much smaller but its also female specific, so you may hit your target group.
Good idea, although the target group is not women, but instructors who teach women, which includes me, and I am not a woman.
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FOG, that was something I learned at a PSIA Examiner's clinic, that the male learning preference was for LOGICal progression and the female learning preference was for CONTEXTual relevance. It rings true for me!
I'm female and I think it rings true for me, is there any more information on this?
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I don't know if this is what they mean by logical/contextual, but I'm taking a ski class geared to women ('chicks on sticks'), and at the highler levels men are teaching them (i'm guessing because of a lack of female level IVs) and a complaint that I've (and a few others have had) had is that the ski instructor gives tips without explaining *why*. Its hard to grasp the solution if you aren't even seeing the problem. 'you need to be forward more' (why? turn initiation? Early edging? Sitting back?), you need a stronger pole plant (why? not coming forward enough?, poor rhythm? too much rotation?) Obviously, its too small a sample group to make any generalizations, but that was my experience.
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I don't know if this is what they mean by logical/contextual, but I'm taking a ski class geared to women ('chicks on sticks'), and at the highler levels men are teaching them (i'm guessing because of a lack of female level IVs) and a complaint that I've (and a few others have had) had is that the ski instructor gives tips without explaining *why*. Its hard to grasp the solution if you aren't even seeing the problem. 'you need to be forward more' (why? turn initiation? Early edging? Sitting back?), you need a stronger pole plant (why? not coming forward enough?, poor rhythm? too much rotation?) Obviously, its too small a sample group to make any generalizations, but that was my experience.
It sounds like two things may be happening here. First, your instructor may not be addressing all the learning styles within the group. Wanting to know "why" is a give-away for the thinking learning style. Even if your main learning style is thinking, you might want to put some of that thinking away while you are improving your skiing. I am a big time thinking dominant learning style, yet for me to advance I need to be more of a doer and feeler. The second thing which may be happening is that your instructor may have some weaknesses, most likely in movement analysis. A bad pole plant is usually a symptom of some other issue, not the planting technique itself. I don't think this is predominantly a gender issue, but i will reevaluate my thoughts here after I get back from the teaching women event next week.
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