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Skis for a college racer

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hopefully, my son will be doing some racing next year at college. He hasn't raced before and will be there primarily for training and maybe "B team", I am thinking soemthing that will be good for both SL and GS that I can find on Ebay or from a rep. He is 170 and 5'9". Any thoughts on size and models? I really haven't followed this type of ski for years. I have a connection for this years Blizzards if someone can glance at their line and let me know if anything is good there SL MAG 165 /GS MAG 182 /GSR 177.

Helluva, You are very familier with this league and what might be good. Any thoughts?
post #2 of 14
Knowing the area and the mole hills that he will likely be skiing on a slalom ski makes the most sense. There are a few reasons for this. One, the hill size around here does not make a GS ski much fun, unless you happen to be skiing Bristol or Greek exclusively - which he will not be doing. Also, for new racers, slalom is usually the most difficult discipline to pick up. GS is pretty easy to 'get into.' It takes a different skill set other than free skiin turns to be fast in GS, but if you try to learn slalom without slalom skis you will just make yourself miserable.

I would look at retail level slalom skis to start out with (165 - get only men's lengths or if he does end up making the race team he won't be able to ski legally). They usually initiate better and ski slightly softer than a stock slalom ski. My top picks would be the Atomic SL:12 (retail) or the Fischer WC SC (retail obviously - not the SL). The Rossi retial slaom (VS) is really whimpy and not something I would recommend for a first time course skier. Dynastars on the other hand are a good choice because of the nature of the skis (more center mount, large tip and tail, and soft flex).

If you want to go in the race stock direction (all of the competitive racers are on them exclusively), I would start with Elan or maybe Salomon (Elan being my preference). A couple guys were on Blizzards a few years ago. I hear the stock skis are a lot of ski. I skied the stock 182 GS - they are fast skis for sure. I don't know if I would strap the stock models to the feet of a first year racer though... The SLR IQ in a 165 might be your best choice from Blizzard. I wouldn't put him on the SL Mags though - at least without seeing how well he skis.

[Is he better or worse than dad?]

Later

GREG
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
I am a better skier that him, but he is getting faster than me .

I think an off the shelf ski will be fine, he doesn't need anything race stock, hell I don't. I will see if there are any SLR's around. I am also waiting to see what will be happenign with Elan soon.
post #4 of 14
The Elan SLX Fusion is also something to consider. My brother skis on those and LOVES them. Shoot me a message on AIM if you want to discuss it with a faster exchange pace.
Later
GREG
post #5 of 14
Second on the SLX Fusion Pro- got my own pair this year, and man do they rip while still being way more forgiving than a race stock. After being on this ski, I don't know if I'll ever go back to a race stock SL.

If you did decide you wanted to go with a race stock, a good option would be to have your son keep a watch for the A-team racers unloading their year-old skis.

USCSA is an awesome circuit. He's gonna have a blast.
post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
Time is not an issue at the moment, although I wouldn't mid picking up a pair for this year and him to play with before he goes up next year. Between my connections and ebay..I am sure I will be able to get a deal on soemthing, I am just trying to get a short list together.
post #7 of 14
On ebay there's a ski shop in the Toronto area (forget the name) but they've been selling on ebay for a couple of years, offering a Nordica Dobermann SC? FOR $369 with binds. I thought the ski was a retail SL ski. But I don't know, I'm sure Heluva can qualify if this is a decent choice or not.
post #8 of 14
Phil:

We are stepping lightly into the race game and will be offering '06-'07 stuff from Fischer and Atomic @ competition pricing within a week or so. I also have a pr. of brand spanky new '04-'05 Dynastar Omeglass 63 (165) This is the autodrive version with the black phenolic sidewall so it's more forgiving than the full sidewall versions.

SJ
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by roundturns View Post
On ebay there's a ski shop in the Toronto area (forget the name) but they've been selling on ebay for a couple of years, offering a Nordica Dobermann SC? FOR $369 with binds. I thought the ski was a retail SL ski. But I don't know, I'm sure Heluva can qualify if this is a decent choice or not.
The shop is actually just outside of Toronto- Action Sports Outlet (in Oakville) and I know someone that picked up a pair of these before the season. I found them listing these over a year ago on Ebay and they seem to still list some from time to time. Only issue that I can see with them is they are mounted up with a demo binding. This is a good thing to some (people that like to share equipment or have multiple boot sizes for some reason) but it does add slightly to the weight over a standard binding. There is another Canadian dealer that has had the same model ski with possibly a different binding too listed some this past fall. Search on Ebay for both Dobermann and Doberman if you are looking at these specific ones.

The SC is also not their race stock ski but 1 step down from what I have heard (discussed the deal with an ex-Nordica Rep). He stated the ski was not available any more in the US, hence the Canada dealer option.

If the kid can get away with only 1 pair of skis- probably only for training and not true College Race team competition (since the slalom ski lengths are 165 and GS have longer and higher FIS specs which may be a problem if he is on the team), you may want to look at the Fischer WorldCup RC which are 15 or 16 meter radius depending on the length (170 or 175). They are not a true Slalom or a true GS ski though.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by RShea View Post
If the kid can get away with only 1 pair of skis- probably only for training and not true College Race team competition (since the slalom ski lengths are 165 and GS have longer and higher FIS specs which may be a problem if he is on the team), you may want to look at the Fischer WorldCup RC which are 15 or 16 meter radius depending on the length (170 or 175). They are not a true Slalom or a true GS ski though.
Just curious, since I'm not up on the latest racing regs, but even foor a "B" team skier, who theoretically is training to make the "A" squad, would a Fischer RC, or SC as Hellluva suggested, be a good idea? Would he be able to ski those in a race? Or are the slalom rules oriented to the minimums, e.g. minimum length, minimum radius, as opposed to absolute specs? Of course, they wouldn't work for a GS race.

Otherwise, the off-the-shelf RC4 SL would be a great ski, too. I have a pair of race stock SLs that I use for all-around, all-conditions skiing and they are *incredible*, very responsive, and very torsionally stiff. (I know, out west we're all supposed to have 120mm waist skis. I prefer my SL and GS skis, though.) A retail, non-stock, version would be a great intro-to-SL ski.

The other way to go may be a softer retail GS ski, a Rossi.
post #11 of 14
I am quite familiar with the Fischer WC RC (have a pair of 175's that circulate through my family). They are great skis and a proficient skier can get them to 'work' in a slalom course. Unfortunately, someone who is not at that level isn't going to stand a chance at getting them to properly ski a slalom course. For training purposes, getting a slalom ski makes the most sense, as I said above. The WC SC in a 165 should work fine, but there are certianly other skis out there. If he gets serious about it, he will have to get two pair of skis anyway. If you want a slalom that will ski well in GS do not buy a stock RC4 SL... they rock at short turns, but are miserable in longer turns. I forgot to include this before:

If he was going to race here is what he would need:
SL: 165cm+
GS: 180cm+; 21m radius+

Later

GREG
post #12 of 14
I have a pair of Fischer WC SC's in 165cm I am trying to sell-they are new,but I would sell them for essentially wholesale.

Have you considered the Supershape in 165/170? It would be a great choice. As would the Elan Speedwave 14. Mount it center for Slalom, mount it back 2cm for GS.

I would probably stick with a longer slalom, rather than a shorter GS. Skiing a slalom course on a pair of long GS skis is an excercise in frustration.
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
I have a pair of Fischer WC SC's in 165cm I am trying to sell-they are new,but I would sell them for essentially wholesale.

Have you considered the Supershape in 165/170? It would be a great choice. As would the Elan Speedwave 14. Mount it center for Slalom, mount it back 2cm for GS.

I would probably stick with a longer slalom, rather than a shorter GS. Skiing a slalom course on a pair of long GS skis is an excercise in frustration.
I might consider a Speedwave with Dalbello's ties with Elan next year.
post #14 of 14
If you are going to bother with a speedwave, go with a the SLX Fusion... don't cut corners in terms of performance (your son will thank you after he runs a few slalom courses).
Later
GREG
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