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Nordica Dobermann 130 and Foot Beds..Actually Just about Foot Beds...

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
I have just received my Dobermann 130 from skis.com....But unfortunately they ve sent me a UK 10 where i expected a US size 10 which is ridicilous...but still since my feet are 10.5 it is not a big deal and nordica offers a pair of foot beds....But my question is how should i put these foot beds in..I mean should i take the current beds off and then put this one..then put the original one OR should i just put these second ones on the top..Thanks a lot in advance...=))
post #2 of 26
Dude, you bought a top level performance boot. A UK 10 is one shell size bigger than a US 10, get the correct size.
post #3 of 26
Thread Starter 
as far as I know UK 10 = 28.5 Mondo and 28 is the right size for me..but nordica is based on UK sizes so it can either be 27.5 or 28.5...i think i better go for 28.5 cauz I can add that foot bed..Also i am 17 so maybe my feet can grow just a lil more...
btw i have checked the lining and it looks OK..
post #4 of 26
ahem...get the right size for your foot and be done with it. There is a HUGE
difference between a boot that is one shell size too big and the right size.
post #5 of 26
Thread Starter 
what i need is probably 0.5 size smaller..which is not possible..i ve tried UK 9 last year and it didnt fit...Since one larger than 9 is 10 ( no 9.5 as far as i know) this is all i can do...
post #6 of 26
My understanding is that the Dobie runs big. You should downsize one to two sizes from your street shoe.

Use one footbed per boot.
post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 
ok but whats that second foot bed that comes with it...the original one(the one inside the boot) is black and there is another white one that comes on the box...
btw why everybody just comments on its size...as I have told before last year I have tried a UK 9 and it didnt work..it just gave pain and i returned it back..this year I have bought a UK10 and it look OK to me...all i need is maybe another bed that will fill all the spaces...I have tried it in fact and it is just great...but i only couldnt decide on the order..
post #8 of 26
Try two pairs of thick socks
post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 
I think i dont even need those second beds...=)) With 1 thich + 1 thin pairs of socks it covers my feet...Just curiosity...What is the order to put the second bed..lol...I might need it some day...There is one circular one already in the boot(thats the standard one) + there is a pair in the box..they look kinda no name and they are white in color and they are flat no curves for heel..Which one should I put on the top and which on the bottom..Thanks to everyone who posted and tried to help me..
post #10 of 26

Dobermann 130 fit

Hi,

The white flat footbed is a shim that can be inserted under the shaped footbed if you have some slack in your boot.

I have a 110 since January 06 and at first I could only use the shim to put a heating element in and then the liner shaped to my foot & compressed itself and now I can use the shaped footbed (w/heating element) + the shim under.

A perfect fit in your boot is critical for performace and the Dobermann is a fabulous boot when you are tight in it. I would not try to fill it with shims or socks. I would get proper size to start with. Shims will be required later to compensate for liner compression.

I hope these few comments will help.
post #11 of 26
Thread Starter 
thanks a lot this is exactly what i ve been waitin for...I dont have any doubts about its size since i ve tried UK 9 last year....without the shim and with thin ski socks(thicker than ordinary socks but thinner than most other ski socks) I can adjust the 1. clip to 3. level..when i adjust it to 4. i cant feel my fingers.lol...so it is pretty good...but there is a small gap in the heel but i dont think that it is about the size...(it is always 97mm i guess) so probably i can solve that with that white bed(shim) ..thanks a lot once again...
post #12 of 26
Your boot is too big.
post #13 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeemm View Post
thanks a lot this is exactly what i ve been waitin for...I dont have any doubts about its size since i ve tried UK 9 last year....without the shim and with thin ski socks(thicker than ordinary socks but thinner than most other ski socks) I can adjust the 1. clip to 3. level..when i adjust it to 4. i cant feel my fingers.lol...so it is pretty good...but there is a small gap in the heel but i dont think that it is about the size...(it is always 97mm i guess) so probably i can solve that with that white bed(shim) ..thanks a lot once again...
Young dude, you don't want to hear it, but those boots will pack out. You can put in the shim and wear heavy socks to take up volume, but that is an ass backwards way of doing things.

I know cause I'm a size 9 street shoe, got the Pro 130 in a USA 8 cause the 7 (UK 6) just felt way too tight. A tech friend of mine told me to go with the smaller size, but I didn't listen.

The USA 8's packed out, I gave them to my son and got the right size for me, the US 7. Got the beds and fitted by a pro fitter, had to take them back 2 more times to get them right, but now all is perfect.

Don't take the lazy way out. Send them back and get your correct size.
post #14 of 26
I will second everyone else and say your boot is too big - WAY too big. For example, I wear a size 10 sneaker usually and am in a size 6 dobie WC shell... with minimal grinding - that means that if I really wanted to, I could go a size smaller and do extensive grinding. A Dobermann shell is designed with very thick plastic so that you can grind and shape the inside of the boot to fit your foot. They aren't supposed to fit out of the box - they aren't made to - even the wider Pro shells. If they hurt, you are probably in the right size and should get out a dremmel and have your boot fitter go to work, if they hurt a lot then grind more . Speaking of boot fitters, that is the other part of the equation that is missing here - those boots should really be fitted to your foot with proper (non manufacturer) footbeds. The stock dobermann footbed footbed is terrible. You might as well not have one at all - and should be remeoved before putting anything else into the boot. I am not all that familiar with the Nordica footbed that comes with the 130 pro, but anything is an improvement. I would still go to have them fitted. My brother skis in those boots in a 25 shell and has larger feet than I do, so my guess is that you should reconsider your selection and get to a shop that is going to get you in the right size and adjust the fit properly for you. They are not boots to mess around with.

Later

GREG
post #15 of 26
Thread Starter 
Oopps..I better go to a local retailer and check UK size 9 then....I was pretty sure till the last reply...My feet are 10.7 inches=27.2 cm ..I dont know... i was pretty sure that UK size 10 should be the right one but I am confused..I better check and see...Thanks...

http://www.skis.com/guides/guide_ski_boots.html
post #16 of 26
Jeemm:

Sorry man but you should have been certain long before Gregs reply. I won't agree with him necessarily on the size you should be using, but can tell you what you've bought is too big. If your feet are 27.2, I'll say that you should probably be in a 27 mondo which is a U.S. 9 1/2 and will comfortable fit a U.S. 10 1/2 foot.

Lou
post #17 of 26
remove liner

toes to touch the front of the shell

1cm or less behind your heel and the shell

more then that and the boots are too big.

extra footbeds, socks, work etc will not help....

dont worry about what numbers are on the boots, your footbeds, or your shoes.

1cm NO MORE
post #18 of 26
Thread Starter 
Well....Yesterday I ve tried an UK 8...It covered my feet pretty well..but when I ve looked at the liner, there isnt any spaces around..My foot just gets in there and it is like a sock, covers tight all around..What does this mean? Should I try to find an UK 9 or should i get an 8 since my foot fits and I dont die from pain while tryin....Thanks...AND this is kinda important is there a huge huge difference between Dobbie 130 and Dobbie 110..All I can find in UK 8 is a Dobbie 110...I already own a Dobbie 130 UK 10...Is the only difference their flex indexes...Cauz if it is only that I might even think that 110 is just better for me since I only race 2 or 3 times a year and I dont want bruises over my foot...=)) Thanks to everyone who posted and shared his/her grateful experiences...=))


*Btw I ve compared Dobbie's US 10.5 Liner with Lange's 12.5 liner and they are just the same...Seems to me like Nordica has its own US sizin system...
post #19 of 26
Thread Starter 
I dont know why I couldnt edit my post..=(( An addition to the previous post do u know how large is the interior of Dobbie UK 8's liner..And pls try to reply me asap..I need to get them soon cauz I am leavin tomorrow...
post #20 of 26
UK8 sounds right. 110 has a lower cuff than the 130. If you can't find a 130 in an 8 check for a Hot Rod in an 8. They'll both be hard to find because Nordica sold out months ago.
post #21 of 26
Thread Starter 
I am just back from the retailer...I ve bought the Dobbie 110 UK 8 size...It seems to be the right size for me...
About the 110-130 difference..I dont think that its a big deal...I only race 3-4 times a season so 130 would probably give an unbearable pain when skiing just for fun....Thanks a lot to anyone who helped me once again...
post #22 of 26
  1. A perfect sock is the ultra thin, by smartwool. Anything thicker is too much.
  2. there is only one thing you can do to a boot that is too large, but hundreds of things that can be done with a boot fitting tightly.
  3. Get your boots worked on by a bootfitter. If you don't, you haven't listened at all to these fine people trying to help you. Expect these boots to hurt until you do.
  4. Yes, your liners will most definitely pack out and all high end shells require some work for the majority of feet.
  5. If you don't get CUSTOM footbeds, you are missing out on the competitive edge. You race? Want to cut a half second off your time? Then get a boot fitter and custom foot beds.
  6. You obviously want your boots to fit, and people here have told you not to expect a boot to fit properly out of the box. Too many people think that boot fitting is not necessary, but a luxury and is only for people with excess cash flow. I would rather not ski for two days and spend the cash on boot fitting if cash was a problem. It's simply that important and once you do, you will most definitely agree.
  7. If the boot fitter tells you the UK 8 is too big, believe him. Did you ever pull the liner out and check the fit? As previously stated, 1 CM (my finger) from heel to shell with toes touching the ends of shell. Any more, and the boot is too big. Also make sure you are checking your smaller foot.
  8. Be prepared to spend some time with the boot fitter. I spent 3 hours. Perfect senerio is for boot fitter to be adjacent to slopes.
  9. Zip-fit liners offer the best fitting liner period. These liners can be fitting by you in your home. Try Jason McCoy or Steve Bagley at Superior Ski in Snowbird. 801-742-2871. get the Plug NEOPLUSH. I think he holds the distributorship in North America and could give you additional information.
  10. Good luck.
post #23 of 26
Thread Starter 
skiaddiction...i think u misunderstood the situation....at first i ve got an UK 10 but now after those comments i ve got an UK 8 and it was a pain in the ass..(ship them back ask for refund find Uk 8 etc...) In this one when i put the shell(w/o liner) on there s a 1 finger space...and when I just wear the liner..liner just fits to my foot...there is a half a finger space at the heel which is necessary for attack position...thanks anyways...i ll decide on bootfitter issue after sunday...i ll ski for 3-4 days and have a small race..if it doesnt work i ll definitely see a fitter...
post #24 of 26
See A Professional Boot Fitter......don"t Be A Fool
post #25 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by epic View Post
UK8 sounds right. 110 has a lower cuff than the 130. If you can't find a 130 in an 8 check for a Hot Rod in an 8. They'll both be hard to find because Nordica sold out months ago.
There are 2 new Hot Rod boots on ebay. A UK8 and a UK7. Very reasonably starting bid prices.
post #26 of 26
eemm,
I really didn't misunderstand. I just didn't see a response regarding the shell fit which is the most important thing in a boot fit, (as long as you are getting a boot meant for your foot's width), which hasn't been mentioned. Anybody salesperson that tells you differently doesn't know what he/she is talking about. And also wanted to reiterate previous advise with a new throw. Sounds like you got the right fit shell if your toes are touching. Have a great trip, and a great race. But if I were you, I would do a boot fitter search on this site and review the 1st thread, which lists all the REAL fitters across the country truly recommended by real skiers before you go, and see if there is one where you are going. I don't accept any pain anymore when skiing and I don't have to. You don't have to either. You should know more after the first run. Hopefully your feet will not be sliding after the liners pack out. I alsop wear a 10.5 shoe and use a tecnica 304MM shell/ 26/ USA 8 and I buckle with one finger or is it my thumb? Enjoy.
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