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Will winter ever arrive?

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Some encouraging snow last week in Vermont and now more warm weather and rain. It hit 72 degrees here today in New Jersey. This tops New Year's day 2005, in which it hit 65 degrees in Princeton. It also broke a 50+ year record from 1950. The motorcycles are out, people are driving their convertibles, jogging in short sleeves and gym shorts. Kids are barefoot outside-- in January!


For those of you in the west enjoying cold and snow, we are really suffering here in the Northeast. Many of the local mountains in the poconos shut down operations this weekend. Mad River Glen was up to 17 trails last weekend is now back to green grass and one trail open. Not only has it not even snowed here in NJ, but it's been too consistently warm to make snow. It is even 50 degrees up at Jay Peak. Jay, which consistently has the highest snowfall in the east (typically over 300") has received a total of 55" so far this year. Many mountains have gotten far less than that. Needless to say, without snowmaking there would have been ZERO skiing this winter in the northeast, and even with snowmaking it's been pretty grim. Hard to make snow on a 70 degree day in January!

I will go out on a limb here and say that for the Northeast this may be the worst winter in 25 years. Does anyone disagree?
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Originally Posted by dantelman View Post
Does anyone disagree?
How stupid do you think we are?
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Yep, it's been a warm winter in the east. I live in Jacksonville, FL, so we dont see snow too often here, but we have not even had a freeze here yet this winter... but I'll be flying out west in 3 weeks, so I'm happy.

We are having a typical El Nino winter. NOAA's winter forcast outlook was pretty much right on the money, with both temperature and rain/snow.

The last I heard there were some signs on El Nino weakening, and a weakening El Nino often means much colder and more active weather for the United States.

If El Nino stays put, then we can expect more of the same. I am not one to go OMFG GLOBAL WARMING AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH.... many places are having very cold temperatures this year. Unfortunately, the central and eastern US is not one of those places. This might just be one of those years.... last year was epic for skiing, and we are paying the price for that this year. We are only 14 days into winter, things can change alot over the coming weeks. And if they dont, there's always next year.:
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I wonder if this is making for crowded conditions in the west. Especially with the poor conditions in the Alps.
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The front page of section 2 in today's Star-Ledger has a picture of a 7 year old swimming in the ocean. Nuf said.
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??????

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Originally Posted by jaxbert View Post
I am not one to go OMFG GLOBAL WARMING AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH.... many places are having very cold temperatures this year. Unfortunately, the central and eastern US is not one of those places.
when I hear statements like the one above I have to think it can only be:

The person is on someone’s payroll – like Exxon Mobil's propaganda on global warming (see Exxon Mobil Paid to Mislead Public http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories... PLATE=DEFAULT)

Politically motivated – listens to the radical retoric of Rush Limbaugh, President Bush…

Or Just misinformed

I mean the:
East Coast- record highs for the month of December
Europe- warmest winter in 1300 years
West - lots of snow but still warmer than normal.

There three major factors at play to create this warmth and global warming is one of them.
Check out the NPR story on what is happening this winter to create the warm weather (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=6737032)

or the recent friskier article on how it is affecting the ski industry (http://www.freeskier.com/environment/)

or check out many other sources out there.

Sorry to rant but I get upset when a company(s) screw with winter and skiing.
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Why are you personally attacking me for posting my opinions... and I did not even take much of a position for--or against-- global warming.

Yes, this is a warm winter for the entire Atlantic rim. Nobody is disputing that. It is cooler then normal for the Pacific rim. Alaska is having the COLDEST winter on record.

I dont work for Exxon, and I dont listen to Rush...

Politics dont belong on these forums.

There is still dispute over the cause of global warming... but there are still things that should be done to protect the environment. The biggest polluters today, in my opinion, are the developing contries, such as China, who have little or no regulations to protect the environment. In the US today, we are doing a lot to protect the environment.... and we can certainly do more.

I personally think that there is a mix of causes for Global Warming. I think we are in a natural warm cycle. I also think that this warm cycle is a little warmer for man-made reasons.
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Sure, we do some to stop climate change in the US. But it's more like the local and state governments actually trying to make the difference. It's become pretty apparent that Bush and his administration consistently prefers shortsighted economic gains over the environment. And even with those choices, I don't remember reading any articles about us having a booming economy, led by Bush.
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The biggest polluters today, in my opinion, are the developing contries, such as China, who have little or no regulations to protect the environment. In the US today, we are doing a lot to protect the environment.... and we can certainly do more.

Factually you are wrong. The USA happens to be the World's largest polluter, period. China and India with their developing economies could catch up but for now the USA enjoys the dubious distinction of being the World's number one polluter. Our mitigation efforts pale in comparison to the toxins we spew into the atmosphere, soil and oceans.

As for the Global Warming debate, that is a topic that has been relegated to the Lounge by Epic Management so I can't comment on your other assertions without risking this thread being moved there. I will say that this is a subject that we can all benefit from learning more about.
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I understand its the worse winter for skiing in the east in over 35 years actually.

Well they can always carpet the mountains in that synthetic white stuff and add water sprayers like the high jumpers use to practice on in the summer.
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Originally Posted by Lostboy View Post
Factually you are wrong. The USA happens to be the World's largest polluter, period. China and India with their developing economies could catch up but for now the USA enjoys the dubious distinction of being the World's number one polluter. Our mitigation efforts pale in comparison to the toxins we spew into the atmosphere, soil and oceans.

As for the Global Warming debate, that is a topic that has been relegated to the Lounge by Epic Management so I can't comment on your other assertions without risking this thread being moved there. I will say that this is a subject that we can all benefit from learning more about.
This is definitely a topic worth discussing, and your point is not lost on this one "lostboy"

Sincerely, those who want to continue a global warming discussion are welcome to do so in the EpicSki supporter lounge/Politics and Hot topics. It doesn't take much to become a supporter, and you may see that there are many here who care very much about the topic at hand.
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Global warming...El Niño...whatever. Call it a screwed-up season. Out here in MT, we have been getting a little snow, but then we get these drought periods with no precip and above-freezing temps.

The ski areas aeround here have conditions that are usually normal for, like, the end of November. January should not be a rock ski month.
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Originally Posted by dantelman View Post
I will go out on a limb here and say that for the Northeast this may be the worst winter in 25 years. Does anyone disagree?
Nope

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16516537/
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Not sure what to think about my first post being in this forum....

To focus on the positive- looks like Sugarloaf got some snow this AM, may be changing over to mixed though.

I'm finding the hardest part of this season is keeping my kids psyched, especially when I told them a year ago that we wouldn't get 2 crappy seasons in a row. My oldest races as a J4 and they've already had 3 cancellations this year.
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apologize

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Why are you personally attacking me for posting my opinions... and I did not even take much of a position for--or against-- global warming.
Sorry, I was not trying to attack you personally.

asland
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