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Death at Mt. Hood Meadows

post #1 of 33
Thread Starter 
Today at about 9:45am, a 45 year old male was killed in what so far appears to be a collision w/another person. No other info at this point.

I really hope it's not someone I know. We all need to be carefull out there. I know tomorrow, while I'm skiing, this will be on my mind a bit.
post #2 of 33
Thread Starter 


Just an update:

The deceased man has been ID'd as a Portland local, but no name given yet.
He was skiing the North Canyon run (blue run) when someone hit him...They don't currently know who the other person is as they left the scene.
post #3 of 33
This is such a tragedy. Please keep us updated.
post #4 of 33

More details from KATU

www.katu.com actually says that North Canyon is a beginner run (green) and are calling it a hit and run.

The news article identifies the victem as 45 year old Geoffrey Scott Bradeen of Portland and invesitgators say he may have fallen and was hit by a snowboarder while trying to get up. Witnesses say that a snowboarder was seen at the scene and told them he was going to get help.

Article: http://www.katu.com/news/5102026.html

Thoughts and prayers to the family.

post #5 of 33
That is one of the easiest ways down from the main lift and it gets a lot of cross-over traffic from higher up runs; people that are going back to the main lodge. People that should stay over on the beginners area go up the main lift and get in the way of people trying to get to other lift areas. It is heavy traffic and as diverse ability levels as people can be.

Still it is a tragedy that could have been prevented.
post #6 of 33
What a terrible story. what is happening to our sport?
post #7 of 33
These things really hit close to home. I will definitely be thinking of his family.
post #8 of 33
This is horrible. R.I.P. Hope this doesn't turn into a rag on snowboarder thread no matter how much I despise a good percentage of them.
post #9 of 33
Anyone witnessing such an event needs to make sure the involved parties stay at the scene. If they refuse, even if they claim to be going for help, someone needs to tag along with them to make sure they get ID'd.

Hit & run just compounds the tragic nature of these occurences.

post #10 of 33
fear can do amazing things to common sense, even decency can disappear.
post #11 of 33
Wouldn't it be nice if they could taste the fear before they commit the foul and avoid it altogether???
post #12 of 33
Screw "PC" baloney ... and I know there are no facts in yet on this, but if it was and does turn into a "rag" on boarders, so what?

Make a liar out of me but I have a hard time recalling any or skier kills boarder threads. It's seems to be the other way around.
post #13 of 33
The point isn't about what a person rides but how we can all be responsible for the safety of each other...foresight and action after the fact.

I remember a long discussion about a young liftie who ripped a jump after work and hit someone that was in the drop line of the jump. I can't seem to find it now, does anyone know where that thread is?
post #14 of 33
Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
Screw "PC" baloney ... and I know there are no facts in yet on this, but if it was and does turn into a "rag" on boarders, so what?

Make a liar out of me but I have a hard time recalling any or skier kills boarder threads. It's seems to be the other way around.
Don't know about threads here, but there certainly have been incidents.
post #15 of 33
That was skier kills skier, and the liftie was a bit drunk and stoned and was convicted.

My comment was skier kills boarder ..... just to be real clear.
post #16 of 33
Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
That was skier kills skier, and the liftie was a bit drunk and stoned and was convicted.

My comment was skier kills boarder ..... just to be real clear.
And to be real, real clear, there have been incidents.
post #17 of 33
Here we go again.
post #18 of 33
"Incidents", or mortality? Start crunching numbers.

Don't try to go off on a sidetrack.

There is a world of difference between an "incident" .... and a body ..... !!!
post #19 of 33
Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
"Incidents": or mortality? Start crunching numbers.

Don't try to go off on a sidetrack.
You began an unforunate sidetrack on what should be a thread focused on both a personal tragedy and if initial reports are accurate possibly a shameful failure to stick around.

Mortality, I hope that makes you happy.
post #20 of 33
Yuki's right. And there's never, ever, any excuse for this. If the resorts won't toughen up on this, then the courts will have to.
But better to PREVENT the behaviour that causes this. Get the micreants before they kill or maim someone. Get the message out. Right now it's the law of the jungle at some resorts.
post #21 of 33
I was just as critical of Nathan Hall. Still the challenge stands, cite the number of deaths where a skier has killed a boarder.

"makes you happy" ...... another canard to dodge the issue.

Um .... sure .... I'm just happy as hell each time someone dies on a mountain. Spare me the BS.
post #22 of 33
Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
"Incidents", or mortality? Start crunching numbers.

Don't try to go off on a sidetrack.

There is a world of difference between an "incident" .... and a body ..... !!!

Jackass. A skier KILLED a snowboarder in Breckenridge about 4 years ago now. He also managed to kill himself. Both were wearing helmets. He was going so freakin' fast it didn't matter. Of course you don't remember this because it doesn't favor your view.

Here is the lastest news, it's not considered a criminal incident. So it is not considered a hit and run.
Police: Skier death not a criminal incident

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Authorities said they are not treating the death of a skier on Mount Hood as a criminal incident.

Geoffry Scott Bradeen, 45, was discovered lying in the snow by passing skiers and snowboarders at about 9:45 a.m. Frodau near the top of the North Canyon run at the Mt. Hood Meadows ski resort, according to Deputy Matt English of the Hood River County sheriff's office. Another skier called 911, and dispatchers notified the Mt. Hood Meadows ski patrol office.
English said it appeared that Bradeen may have fallen and was hit by a snowboarder as he attempted to get up.
Witnesses said an unidentified snowboarder at the scene told the others that he was going for help, and left the area. English said it was possible the snowboarder might have been scared off when he returned and found sheriff's deputies at the scene.
"At this point, we don't believe there was anything criminal," English said. "There are no known witnesses to the actual collision, but we are interested in obtaining a statement from the unidentified snowboarder that left the scene."
Bradeen suffered head injuries in the collision and was pronounced dead at the resort's medical clinic by an assistant Hood River County medical examiner, who happened to be skiing Friday. Bradeen was not wearing a helmet.
It was not known if Bradeen had gone to the mountain with family or friends, or was skiing alone.
Dave Riley, general manager for the resort, said two people died in skiing accidents during the 2005 season. None died last year, he said.
"Anytime something like this happens, it's a tragedy," Riley said. "Our hearts go out to the man's family."
Investigators are still very interested in speaking to anyone with information about the crash. Witnesses should contact Det. Bob Davidson at (541) 386-2098.
(Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
Now one thing I am sure of. Skier collisions and later skier boarder or mixes there of, have been happening since the first bullwheel started pulling people up the slopes. Get off your high horse dude, or get off the greens. Obviously you don't understand the sport.
post #23 of 33
Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
Still the challenge stands, cite the number of deaths where a skier has killed a boarder.
No, you initially asked if there had been such incidents. There have been, it says nothing about gear choice or use but there have. Now you want to assert that boarders tend to be more reckless unless some idiot actually takes the time to look up some "cite" for total number of deaths.

Let me make a suggestion: start another thread devoted to gear bigotry. Leave this one a thread about a tragedy at Mt. Hood Meadows.
post #24 of 33
R.I.P. And let this be a lesson in SELF-DEFENSE for all of us: On green runs be extra careful of being hit AND of hitting someone, even though it may be nobody's fault. These greens that funnel many skiers to bottom are inherently dangerous due to crappy snow conditions and too many people.
post #25 of 33
I don't know the terrain where this particular tragedy happened, but I think a lot of these incidents (including the much more common near misses) are structural. There are spots on a lot of mountains where the layout causes traffic bottlenecks and too wide a mix of abilitiy levels / speeds on the same run.

The most frightened I've ever been on skis was a crowded blue connector trail where about 25% of the people seeemed to be out of control.

I think it is going to take more than preaching safety or even enforcement to avoid these accidents. Pretending to ourselves that we are going to be able to stop young males from being reckless is not helpful.

There is no easy fix, but I think ski area management should be asking themselves "where are the dangerous spots and what can we do to make them safer?" (I'm not going to name names, but I can think of two problem spots right off the top of my head.)

One of the more obvious examples is that the beginner terrain should not be a shortcut from anywhere to anywhere. (This includes lodges. I've seen teenagers screaming down a green run to the lodge at the bottom, probably because they are late to meet their parents.)

Note that I do not think "slow skiing zones" are very effective, especially if too much of the mountain is included.
post #26 of 33

North Canyon / Shooting Star Intersection

I was up at Meadows on Friday, and my friends and I were talking about the North Canyon, in particular the intersection/cross over to/from North Canyon and the Shooting Star area, as well as the feed out from Elevator Shaft and Inner Limits. This area presents a major challenge, as the intersection itself is at a local low point, especially for people trying to pass from the main Mt Hood Express lift over to Shooting Star (and lower Heather Canyon access), as you have to have quite a bit of speed to make it up onto Tillicum Ridge. The vertical rise from the intersection to the ridge is only about 20 feet, but it the path up onto the ridge is fairly narrow. Meadows Ski Patrol does a VERY GOOD job or marking the trail crossing in all directions, and Shooting Star provides access to some great pitches and fantastic access to lower Heather Canyon. It can still be a really scary crossing this intersection.

Imagine beginners who've worked up the courage to get off the bunny slopes working their way down a signficant blue run at the same time in-the-know locals are charging down slope for the great pow off Tillicum or the possibility that Heather might be openning soon, and add to that people crossing back from Shooting Star back to the main area. Sprinkle in a few folks who've charged down elevator shaft, and are trying to maintain some speed as they hit the intersection, so they don't have to herring bone up the chaotic bottleneck that leads up to Tillicum and the Shooting Star area. It get's kinda nuts.

And since the intersection is probably a season stream bed (basin of the Elevator Shaft/Inner Limits pitches), it would be really tough to in-fill without ruining what nature has created.

The only "solution" we came up with is that maybe they can install a short rope tow up onto Tillicum Ridge from the intersection, so people won't feel the need to charge through the intersection area.

I'm worried that the ski patrol will feel the need to start "busting" competent skiers/riders for wanting to avoid the slog up the ridge. I'm sure there will be loads of citations, but that isn't the real solution...

This was an increadible tragity. It scared the crap out my non-skiing girlfriend - I'm 44 years old and was way too good of a fit for the awful news she heard on TV Friday afternoon. I hope it will make all of us a bit more conscious of how we interact with people of many different ability levels on the slopes. I truely hope we can collectively lean from this.
post #27 of 33

Oh yeah - helmets

I just posted, and my girlfriend - the one I mentioned, asked me if I mentioned helmets in my posting. My bad.

You see, she's a intensive care nurse, who's working on getting her PhD in nursing. She takes care of people who get messed up, and her schooling involves research into real causes and cures. One of the people in her class is doing her disertation on helmet use among people who ski or snowboard and have tramatic injuries. The early data is that it makes a MAJOR difference in patient outcome.

I'm not going to preach. I will say I've been wearing a helmet for about 5 years, and my skiing is WAY better than it was 5 years ago :-).
post #28 of 33

Facts on Snowboarding/Skiing Injuries

I've seen lots of forums where skiers rag on snowboarders for not being safe. Generally speaking being a person who does both is that it is the rider who is the problem not what they are using. The fact of the matter is the great majority of young people choose to ride. The great majority of the people who take risks or don't use appropriate caution tend to be young people. There are facts to back up these statements. Check out the link below for just one example.

Anyhow to address real statistics from studies done about the sport you only have to use google to get going. The average number of deaths per year for skiing/snowboarding is 38. in '05/'05 there were 45... 30 were skiers and 15 were snowboarders. There were also 45 serious injuries that year 24 were skiers and 21 were snowboarders.

These statistics do not bear that snowboarders are more dangerous then skiers. The researcher specifically states that boarders have not made resorts less safe for everyone. In fact the great majority of injuries and death are NOT caused by collisions between riders but, collisions and falls without a second party involved.

"Shealy’s research also confirmed that alpine skiers are three times more likely to be involved in a collision with other people than snowboarders". this is a quote right from the article.

Anyhow before anyone starts blasting snowboarders in general do a bit of googling and figure out if your pre-conceptions are in line with reality.

Another interesting fact that this research shows is that... "Most of those fatally injured are usually above-average skiers and snowboarders who are going at high rates of speed on the margins of intermediate trails. This is the same population that suffers the majority of unintentional deaths from injury."

The mixing of different ability levels on intermediate trails is something to be addressed instead of what people use to ride. I think the biggest thing to remember is that if you are an above average snowboarder or skier YOU have the ability to show more courtesy and caution on the slopes then the beginner. THEY are NOT in your way intentionally. They are doing the best they can to get down safely. Show your skill by keeping a safe speed and distance from everyone. I take up beginner riders all the time and I constantly shake my head at people buzzing by them and not keeping proper spacing even though they clearly have the skills to do so.

My two cents. http://www.nsaa.org/nsaa/press/0506/...owboarding.asp
post #29 of 33
^^^^ Finally someone who got it right. Kudos to you.
post #30 of 33
The whole hit and run thing is crappy.

But then I witnessed something interesting recently at Heavenly. A boarder collided with a little girl. I didn't actually see the collision, but heard it from the Olympic chair. I looked over and the boarder was getting up and moved over to see if the girl was hurt. She was out flat. Within seconds a Heavenly instructor was on the scene and he pushed the boarder out the way and motioned for him to leave with his arm. The boarder left. Nobody went with him. I was actually suprised that the instructor sent the person who caused the crash away. The girl and the instructor and ski patrol were still there for at least 2 more runs/rides on the Oly chair. I never saw the boarder show up again.

I realize that we all get pre-occupied with our own safety, but if you witness a crash, doesn't it go without saying that you step forward? I mean when there's a car crash on the highway all kinds of people stop, get on their cell phones and gape. It seems like there's too many stories of hit and runs on the slopes and nobody witnessed it or apprehended the person who caused the accident.
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