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Smoking on the Lift - Slow and Painful or Quick and Painless Death?

post #1 of 141
Thread Starter 
Can't remember this being much of an issue back in the US, but my recent inaugural ski trip to the Alps found me repeatedly sitting on a lift while the person on the chair ahead of me was puffing away.

I'm sure it's great for the smoker, gliding away while your exhaust stays put, but for the person behind you it is less enjoyable. You will also notice the lack of ashtrays on chairlifts (assuming you did not notice the 'No Smoking' sign), so guess where that butt gets flicked.

I’d have thought this was a no-brainer, but apparently there are a lot of people out there with no brains.

So my question: do we execute these people on the spot, or go easy and simply have them banned from the mountain?
post #2 of 141
Hmm, I usualy save the smoking for mountain restaurants... I'm too short on breath to feel like smoking on the lifts .
But, jeez, this is the open air ! Go skinning on the other side of the moutain :.
As for the cigarettes butts : i guess they blend nicely with all the trash uncovered in spring, along the snow guns pipes, on the scraped ground.
post #3 of 141
It always amazes me how people, including friends of mine who are normally very conscientious, do not view a cigarette butt as litter.

I constantly see people throwing them out their window while driving, and they have an ashtray in their car, as opposed to when skiing. Though I still can't imagine why someone would want to smoke (cigarettes) while skiing. Maybe the wackie tabackie, if you are younger, and psychologically stable.
post #4 of 141
I don't remember having too much of a problem in the states. Never been to Europe so I can't comment. My problem is more when it affects the health and comfort of my kids.

All I can say is that it's being banned here more and more often. People complain about it but it's their idiotic and rude behavior that makes it necessary to ban smoking in so many places.

I had my kids to the zoo this fall for "Boo at the Zoo" and some idiot was smoking his cigarette while passing out candy to little kids.

How about coming out of stores to have the employees hanging around outside the door so you have to walk through "the fog" to get you and your kids in or out of the store?

How about people who will light up and have their cigarette hanging from thier blackened lips while trying to play peek a boo with your kid?

And for the record.... I AM a smoker but when the guy climbs onto the wagon at the Christmas tree farm puffing away on his smoke you bet I'm going to be there to tell him in no uncertain terms how rude and disrepectful that is to be puffing his smoke into my children's lungs. The same will happen if it happens in the liftlines or on the chairs.

I'm just sorry that so many are so inconsiderate and they ruin it for the rest of us.
post #5 of 141
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Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
Hmm, I usualy save the smoking for mountain restaurants... I'm too short on breath to feel like smoking on the lifts .
But, jeez, this is the open air ! Go skinning on the other side of the moutain :.
As for the cigarettes butts : i guess they blend nicely with all the trash uncovered in spring, along the snow guns pipes, on the scraped ground.
Even in open air, is it socially acceptable behaviour to exhale smoke directly at other people? Now think about where your smoke ends up when you exhale on a lift.

And yes, there is trash on the hill. But I personally do not treat that fact as license to create more of it.
post #6 of 141
Hum. I should have added blinking smileys all over my tongue in cheek answer to ami in berlin's tongue in cheek post...
(Because, your final question was tongue in cheek, right ?)
post #7 of 141
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Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
Hum. I should have added blinking smileys all over my tongue in cheek answer to ami in berlin's tongue in cheek post...
(Because, your final question was tongue in cheek, right ?)
I was responding to the original post, I caught your sarcasm. It is just always something that has bothered me, people flicking butts out the car window.
post #8 of 141
I'd vote for immediate termination, except I don't want to sound like a barbaric American Bushie-type.

However one time last season while in uniform with four people from my class and one chain-smoker European visitor on the end of the six-pack chair, I totally made up the "Colorado Outdoor Clean Air Act" and implied I'd pull his ticket if he didn't put out the smoke.
post #9 of 141
Thread Starter 
Sorry philippeR, I didn't mean for my response to be personal, and I recognise that your post was tongue in cheek. I was responding to the sentiment you raised and not your actions in particular, but a see that my post makes it appear that I was challenging you personally. Not my intention.

MarkXS, I don't see this as a typical American vs Euro debate smoking debate. This is not about whether people should smoke or not, this is about people being responsible and respectful in their behaviour on the hill. If people are unable to do that, I see nothing wrong with terminating, er, I mean kicking them off the hill.

It was clearly posted all over, including in some places actual messages on each individual chair, that smoking is prohibited on the lift. And the vast majority of people followed this, and like philippeR would save it for the mountain restaurants. But I'd say on average once or twice a day I would find myself riding a lift behind some jackass puffing away, so it happened enough to be an annoyance (and obviously is enough of a problem that it warrants messages being posted on the lifts).
post #10 of 141

Smoking What?

Cigs are bad enough, however I get most unhappy when someone next to me or on the chair in front of me starts smoking dope...I cannot stand the
odor (college dorm days were difficult!).

Regrettably the stench of dope is quite frequent on Whistler lifts....
post #11 of 141
You need to carry some snowballs with you and then peg them at the offending smoker.
post #12 of 141
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Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
Hmm, I usualy save the smoking for mountain restaurants... I'm too short on breath to feel like smoking on the lifts .
But, jeez, this is the open air ! Go skinning on the other side of the moutain :.
As for the cigarettes butts : i guess they blend nicely with all the trash uncovered in spring, along the snow guns pipes, on the scraped ground.
Yeah, but it's MY open air too.. Don't go fouling it up for the rest of us. Do that in your own house or car.

EDIT: oops - saw your tongue in cheek thing.
post #13 of 141
Man alive - the general population seems to be packed full of overly sensitive creatures, or are people are THAT bored with their lives they need to attack something so minuscule!

Mind not driving your car through my clean air!
Mind not smacking yer gum in my quiet air!
Mind not yammering away on yer cell phone in my quiet air?

I do not smoke, but I do not kid myself about the effects of a little smoke, ESPECIALLY when I am on a chair lift that spews a plume of smoke because it runs on fossil fuels (diesel or gas).

You going to complain and ask them to stop smoking as well?
Of course not, because that is acceptable to you.
post #14 of 141
Some people smoke. So what? As long as they don't blow it in my face, which is just rude, it's not my place to tell them not to.

But flipping butts off the chair is not good. It is litter. The only aceptable litter to be thrown intentionally off the chair is a bra, strategically aimed at the right tree.

If you don't like people smoking on the lift, then smoke 'em off the lift
post #15 of 141
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Mind not yammering away on yer cell phone in my quiet air?
Agree! As a non-smoker, I find those who exhibit a lack of cell-phone etiquette MUCH more offensive than the occasional whiff of smoke. The rest of the world does not care, or want to hear your tedious conversation. Shut up and talk somewhere else.
post #16 of 141
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Originally Posted by matt7180 View Post
Agree! As a non-smoker, I find those who exhibit a lack of cell-phone etiquette MUCH more offensive than the occasional whiff of smoke. The rest of the world does not care, or want to hear your tedious conversation. Shut up and talk somewhere else.
I've always found it funny how those with the most foibles are those that complain the most.
There is this ex-smoker, in the building where I work, whom suddenly feels she is THE authoritative figure when it comes to smoking. Yet, just a few short months ago the hose-bag was sucking her way to stardom...

question: with all the B'ing & W'ing about smoking, why have we not seen any pipe-up about the oh-so many boozers whom leave beer cans on the slopes? I'll bet it has to do with the amount hypocrites out there.

The tossed remains of cig will be around for a few short weeks, or months at the most, but the cans will be there until somebody picks it up.
post #17 of 141
Fact: The filters in cigarette butts are made from cellulose acetate, a form of NON-biodegradable plastic. It takes about 15 years for a cigarette butt to break down in the environment. Pollutants contained in the butts can affect water quality.

Not that throwing beer cans is any better. But I would never throw a beer can off the lift and I would yell at someone who does that, too.
post #18 of 141
Thread Starter 
I don't give a rip if people smoke in general. But while the person smoking on the lift glides out of his cloud, the person behind him (me, in this case) gets to inhale that garbage for the duration of his cigarette. That is rude. Period. It is unacceptable. Period. And I have no choice in the matter (it's not like I can get off the lift and go somewhere else, is it?).

It's also forbidden and clearly posted for those who lack even the most basic common sense.

And why does the fact that people litter beer cans make flicking cigarette butts off lifts acceptable? I really don't get that argument.

This isn't about telling people to change their lifestyles. It's about people not being *******s.
post #19 of 141
You have got to be kidding me. The only reason you know they are smoking is because your nose catches the smallest smell of it (or you see them). The amount of smoke getting from their cigarette to your lungs is so ridiculously minimal it does not matter. In between the 30 feet between chairs is open air, a little wind, and the smoke breaks up and moves along. It sounds like you really do give a rip about people smoking because if you cant smoke outside, where can you smoke? I dont smoke and I cant stand it, but if Im going to bitch about someone smoking and ruining my air, I might as well bitch about cars, lift engines, or any number of things. Its not like we are walking to the resorts or walkjing to the grocery store. I wouldnt ask someone not to use their car because the exhaust is toxic. If its your job to enforce the laws about not smoking on the lifts, then enforce it. Just get off the high horse- if someone wants to ruin themselves, thats fine- cause the minute amount of smoke he is contributing to my detriment pales in comparison to anything else im sucking in. Im not going to tell what people have to do and noone else should either. If its law, the law enforcement tells them. If youre so inclined go tell ski patrol, but to me it isnt a big deal.
post #20 of 141
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Originally Posted by flaviaman View Post
Cigs are bad enough, however I get most unhappy when someone next to me or on the chair in front of me starts smoking dope...I cannot stand the
odor (college dorm days were difficult!).

Regrettably the stench of dope is quite frequent on Whistler lifts....
I'm surprised it took 10 posts to get here.

I really can't see anyone catching a face full of smoke at Whistler, given the wind and the spacing of the chairs.
Now if someone sparks it up in a gondola, he/she better have approval from everyone.

Either way, I'll take the smell of burning weed over burning the 499* chemicals and additives in tobacco, any day of the week.

*admitted at the big US Supreme Court do a few years ago. I've always wodered why threy didn't go for an even 500.
post #21 of 141
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Originally Posted by Freeheelin View Post
Man alive - the general population seems to be packed full of overly sensitive creatures, or are people are THAT bored with their lives they need to attack something so minuscule!

Mind not driving your car through my clean air!
Mind not smacking yer gum in my quiet air!
Mind not yammering away on yer cell phone in my quiet air?

I do not smoke, but I do not kid myself about the effects of a little smoke, ESPECIALLY when I am on a chair lift that spews a plume of smoke because it runs on fossil fuels (diesel or gas).

You going to complain and ask them to stop smoking as well?
Of course not, because that is acceptable to you.
post #22 of 141
I'm not applauding.

I don't care about the toxicity as much as the STENCH.

Particularly when exercising (which skiing is), your respiratory system is wide open. The sense of smell is stronger.

I find my blood boiling catching the slightest whiff of a burning cigarette when skiing.

I remember sitting down on one of the benches at Windham Mountain in Catskills, NY. This jerk thought it was okay to smoke because he was outside.

My stomach was TURNING. It's an outrage.

And if you're on a lift you should NOT have to smell it.

WHY DO YOU THINK THE SIGN SAYS NO SMOKING???

Oh, I forgot. That sign isn't supposed to be addressed to YOU. YOU are allowed to smoke.

Take your filthy, disgusting habit and SHOVE IT UP YOUR HOLE. Then put the cigarette in there as well.
post #23 of 141
Fact: anyone who inhales a puff of second-hand smoke has a 90% chance of dying of an agonizing death from lung cancer within 3 years.
post #24 of 141
Your sarcasm misses the point. It's the STENCH. Shove your smoke right up your hole.
post #25 of 141
I don't smoke, but I would gladly light up around any of you just to watch you NOT tell me where to stick it. It's easy to be a tough guy on the internet.
post #26 of 141
You're not going to have medical problems due to 2nd hand smoke from the chair in front of you, unless your high blood pressure kills you. Relax.
post #27 of 141
I'm a smoker, so what. I also smoke while I ski, oh my God! I do have respect for people and don't blow smoke in their face or smoke in a lift line. Your in wide open air, what's the big deal? It's not like you are locked in an air tight box with someone smoking. Relax and go smoke a cig, you will feel much better! You need to find something better to get all up tight about.
post #28 of 141
Its a sad sight to see someone smoking in a liftline. Imagine seeing somebody pumping iron in the gym or running the Boston marathon with a cigarette in his or her mouth?

Not much different when you're out skiing, IMO. But it doesn't piss me off as much as it just fills me with an awesome sence of pity and irony.

What I am trying to resist though is the irresistable urge to slap the living shiite out of every bald headed guy wearing a neon-blinking little bluetooth device on his ear. Do they make you wear one of those when you go bald? What ever happened to a nice simple black eyepatch for picking up gay pirate pals for a little chummy apres-shopping plundering anyhow?

That is all. Over and out!
post #29 of 141
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
It's easy to be a tough guy on the internet.

You would know. I'll tell you in person too. Shove that cigarette right up your hole!
post #30 of 141
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
You're not going to have medical problems due to 2nd hand smoke from the chair in front of you, unless your high blood pressure kills you. Relax.

It's not the medical problems. It's the STENCH of the smoke.

Why should I have to inhale that HIDEOUS odor?
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