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Help! - Volkl Energy 380 + Marker M41 + Nordica Boots

post #1 of 15
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Hello All,

I am new to this forum, in fact this is my first time posting. There doesn't seem to be comprehensive reviews online for boots, skis, etc, so I thought I'd try my luck here as there seems to be really experienced people here.

Please help me with this equipment if you have knowledge of these items:

Volkl Energy 380
Marker M41 bindings
Nordica Beast or GTS 8 boots

About Me:

I am basically a complete beginner of skiing. This is my first year skiing and I have basically gone to Big Bear every single weekend since the place opened up this year (so like 6 times).

I have taken two lessons so far and the second one was how to do wedge turns and cuts. Anyway, to cut a long story short, I am improving. I intend to try and go to Big Bear about every other weekend this year to try and rapidly improve. Once I have mastered my wedge turns I'll probably take another lesson.


I'm 5'10 and 30 years old and don't know how I have let this sport pass me by all these years and am trying to make up for it now. Once you get on top of that mountain, you don't think about work, stress, problems, only how to get down that hill. Which for me is great!

Anyway, when I went to Big Bear over new years they were out of rental equipment as the place was as busy as I've ever seen it, which ended up costing me a day of skiing. Therefore, I decided it is time for me to buy my own equipment. I don't want to get anything too advanced, but I also want something I won't outgrow in a short time. I expressed these concerns to a ski shop owner I know and he recommended the above merchandise.

Basically, the Volkl 380 should get me from above beginner all the way to advanced, but not advanced to expert.

The Marker bindings M41 are the best ever made according to him for someone at my level and will carry me also to the advanced level.

Also, he recommended the Nordica GTS boots (I have tried several boots so far, and Nordicas seem to fit me best), so he said if I like Nordicas I should get the GTS 8. It will be a little inconvenient a time or two out but then it should suit me nicely. He said not to get the beast, but I heard beast 10 was similar.

Any and all opinions you may have on any of this merchandise or anything else would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Raj
post #2 of 15
Those are good carving skis, not too stiff or too soft. Can't speak to the bindings or boots.
post #3 of 15
How much is he asking for the skis?
post #4 of 15
The Volkl Energy 380 is an intermediate to lower advanced ski with many of the features of the higher level supersports, but will be softer flexing and quite narrow. It was sold with integrated Marker Motion LT or AT bindings, and may have been sold as a flat (non-integrated binding) ski sometime prior to 2003. The M41 is a discontinued binding, but is still indemnified by the manufacturer. I would really prefer this outfit with the integrated Marker Motion bindings. It sounds like you are being sold used or discontinued inventory. You should not be paying more than $275 for the bindings and skis combined in this case. Shop online and get some comps. I think the set will be serviceable, but will not see you beyond intermediate level skiing. Once you have started parallel skiing and want to apply speed, or experience ungroomed slopes, these skis will become limiting. If you budget allows, I would upgrade.

The Nordica boots are pretty good for a starting skier. They will be too soft if you become very advanced, or ski wider longer skis, but will help you to feel and control your skis and should be a good starter. A good fit is critical and most beginners buy too large. The boots will be the most expensive component you are buying, and you need to take time to be sure you understand how to get a fit. Read the FAQ at the top of the gear forum.

Welcome to skiing and to Epic. I agree you are skiing often enough that you should own your equipment. Good luck, and hope to see you on the slopes.
post #5 of 15
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Thanks...

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Originally Posted by matt7180 View Post
How much is he asking for the skis?
Thanks for your knowledge man, the skis are for $175
post #6 of 15
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Thanks For Your Input...

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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
The Volkl Energy 380 is an intermediate to lower advanced ski with many of the features of the higher level supersports, but will be softer flexing and quite narrow. It was sold with integrated Marker Motion LT or AT bindings, and may have been sold as a flat (non-integrated binding) ski sometime prior to 2003. The M41 is a discontinued binding, but is still indemnified by the manufacturer. I would really prefer this outfit with the integrated Marker Motion bindings. It sounds like you are being sold used or discontinued inventory. You should not be paying more than $275 for the bindings and skis combined in this case. Shop online and get some comps. I think the set will be serviceable, but will not see you beyond intermediate level skiing. Once you have started parallel skiing and want to apply speed, or experience ungroomed slopes, these skis will become limiting. If you budget allows, I would upgrade.

The Nordica boots are pretty good for a starting skier. They will be too soft if you become very advanced, or ski wider longer skis, but will help you to feel and control your skis and should be a good starter. A good fit is critical and most beginners buy too large. The boots will be the most expensive component you are buying, and you need to take time to be sure you understand how to get a fit. Read the FAQ at the top of the gear forum.

Welcome to skiing and to Epic. I agree you are skiing often enough that you should own your equipment. Good luck, and hope to see you on the slopes.

Alegedly, the skis and brand spanking new, never drilled and still in the wrapper. When he showed them to me, they looked that way also. As far as the bindings, he didn't have them, he just suggested I go out and buy that binding for that ski.

The total for the skis will be $175. P.S. I believe the skis are from 2005

The bindings on the other hand, perhaps as you say I should go out and try and buy the Marker Motion LT bindings? Is that your recommendation? If it is then that is what I think I will try and do. Thanks

Anyway, for the skis and the Marker M41 I found online the grand total would be $224. Is this too much for this setup or do you feel this is reasonable?

As far as the boots go, I agree, they are definately the most expensive piece. The cheapest I have found online for the GTS is $199, how do you feel about that price for these boots? On the other hands I found the Beast 10 also for $200. Which one of these would you recommend knowing my skill level (or more accurately, a complete lack there of)?

It is just that I have heard that if you get too advanced a ski it will hold back your development, that is why I am a little concerned and hence don't want to go get the Volkl AC3 or something like that right away.

Another thing you mentioned, I agree, I believe I will probably need whole new equipment in a year or two, that is why I am trying to do this inital burst as cheap as I can. And knowing Volkls are so expensive, I figured, man I am at least getting a great deal on the skis.

Anyway, what do you think?

Thanks again for your insight!
post #7 of 15
In colorado we the have the Rocky Mountain demo pass that gets you unlimited demos for $175, a pretty good deal. With what you are looking to invest, it might be beneficial to try and find the same type deal. That way you will not only be trying different skis, but will know what you are looking for in a ski as you progress.

Personally, I would not spend $175 if there were not bindings mounted. Much better deals can be had on comprable or better skis on either e-bay, or by purchasing demos from ski shops. Others may say different.
post #8 of 15
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Dude...Now I Am So Jealous....

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Originally Posted by matt7180 View Post
In colorado we the have the Rocky Mountain demo pass that gets you unlimited demos for $175, a pretty good deal. With what you are looking to invest, it might be beneficial to try and find the same type deal. That way you will not only be trying different skis, but will know what you are looking for in a ski as you progress.

Personally, I would not spend $175 if there were not bindings mounted. Much better deals can be had on comprable or better skis on either e-bay, or by purchasing demos from ski shops. Others may say different.

I am a frugal sort of guy and looked around for a deal like this everywhere from Big Bear to newport beach and havent been able to find a deal like that. A friend of mine is from Denver and often told me about deals like this, I guess they are few and far between in California. I tried many of the registered dealers for Volkl, etc., the best I found was one place that charges $50 for the demo and gives you $45 off the price of the ski, if and only if you buy that demo. It didn't hardly seem worth it when I could just buy the ski for $175 as far as an energy 380 goes. So far I have skiied on Rossignols and K2 Omnis, both are good for my level I guess. However, when I'm coming down summit run in Big Bear I can feel a bounce with the K2 and a lesser bounce with the Rossignols. I tried a friend's volkl AC and didn't feel a thing. I thought about buying an AC myself but was told it was above my level and wouldn't take me very far as I develop, that combined with the price tag on it made me think about finding another Volkl. On the other hand, when I get good I was hoping I could go and buy the AC3 or AC4 maybe after a year or two or whatever their equivalent is at the time.

Another thing was about every store I talked to tells me you can't hardly go wrong with a Volkl. So I thought, hell.....what the hell.....
post #9 of 15
Volkl are great skis, not doubt about it. If you have tried a more advanced ski, and liked it, then there is no reason you could not buy one. If you are just getting into the sport, then i would advise to buy used. While new skis are great, they depreciate much faster than a car. A year old pair of $900 skis can be had for $225. If you look around e-bay you can find 724 and 724 pros in great condition for less than you will invest in these lower-end skis.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by dynaflexor View Post
Nordica Beast or GTS 8 boots
Also, he recommended the Nordica GTS boots (I have tried several boots so far, and Nordicas seem to fit me best), so he said if I like Nordicas I should get the GTS 8. It will be a little inconvenient a time or two out but then it should suit me nicely. He said not to get the beast, but I heard beast 10 was similar.
Who were you talking to about boots? A good boot is the most important thing!!! The GTS 8 will be fairly soft (probably adaquate), it you tend to be aggressive in other sports and advance quickly you might want to go with the Beast (JMHO), try them both on see how they feel. Nordica also has a "Sport" line that is popular for comfort. Your weight will also make a difference in both the boot and the ski.

Where do you live? Talk with a GOOD bootfitter, at a real SKI shop, not a "chain" store like REI & Sports Challet. There is one in LA and Newport Beach that I know of. The boots should not be inconvenient. A good bootfitter can make them fit so they are comfortable. Remember even the slightest preasure at home or in the shop will be excruciating pain on the slope. Buy your boots from a good shop that can custom fit them to your feet - it will be worth every penny. Skis are secondary to boots and can be found easily online new and used. Use ebay to compare prices on clearance skis & bindings.

Another option is that many places have a leasing program where you can lease everything for an entire season for around $150-$200+. You can even lease Demo equipement. Personally this is what I would suggest for the first year or two, it will give you more time to really know what you want and by the end of next season you may be ready for something more advanced.
post #11 of 15
If the M41 is not included I certainly don't suggest you get that or the Marker Motion bindings, which only work on system skis. Many good current models of bindings that can be had on the cheap including Look, Rossi, Marker, Tyrolia and Salomon.

For example Look PX 12
Those would be worth putting on your next pair of skis if you so choose.
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 

"If you have tried a more advanced ski, and liked it, then there is no reason you could not buy one"

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Originally Posted by matt7180 View Post
Volkl are great skis, not doubt about it. If you have tried a more advanced ski, and liked it, then there is no reason you could not buy one. If you are just getting into the sport, then i would advise to buy used. While new skis are great, they depreciate much faster than a car. A year old pair of $900 skis can be had for $225. If you look around e-bay you can find 724 and 724 pros in great condition for less than you will invest in these lower-end skis.
That actually makes a lot of sense I guess. However, at the same time I am not doing any quick carves or turns and stuff. This experience came with me just blazing down a hill because actually I am not very good at the turns yet. I will definately look at the 724 and 724 pro then, however, don't you think they may be a little too advanced for me? I just don't want to not be able to progress as I should and people say if you buy skis that are too advanced it will slow your progression down.

I also tried Volkl vertigos from a few years back model. These I didn't like although I guess they are super skis. This one I also didn't feel any bumps or chatter, but daang those skis were too fast for me! Way too fast!
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 

Actually He's A Pretty Knowledgable Guy...

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Originally Posted by Boy Scout Mom View Post
Who were you talking to about boots? A good boot is the most important thing!!! The GTS 8 will be fairly soft (probably adaquate), it you tend to be aggressive in other sports and advance quickly you might want to go with the Beast (JMHO), try them both on see how they feel. Nordica also has a "Sport" line that is popular for comfort. Your weight will also make a difference in both the boot and the ski.

Where do you live? Talk with a GOOD bootfitter, at a real SKI shop, not a "chain" store like REI & Sports Challet. There is one in LA and Newport Beach that I know of. The boots should not be inconvenient. A good bootfitter can make them fit so they are comfortable. Remember even the slightest preasure at home or in the shop will be excruciating pain on the slope. Buy your boots from a good shop that can custom fit them to your feet - it will be worth every penny. Skis are secondary to boots and can be found easily online new and used. Use ebay to compare prices on clearance skis & bindings.

Another option is that many places have a leasing program where you can lease everything for an entire season for around $150-$200+. You can even lease Demo equipement. Personally this is what I would suggest for the first year or two, it will give you more time to really know what you want and by the end of next season you may be ready for something more advanced.

He came highly recommended by some people and he is in San Gabriel, kind of a long drive and stuff, but I decided to go anyway. He actually does boot fitting also with the whole heating thing. I think what he was trying to say is that the GTS 8 is a little harder than what I am used to, but I will get used to it after a time or two out with it. The leasing option you speak about sounds really tempting. Do you know specifically where I can do this for $200 bucks? I'd love to go check 'em out?

Thanks
post #14 of 15
Sports Chalet leases equipment, starting at about $130 (may be kids only) and Stefan Kaelin in Newport Beach leases, starting at $90. Keep in mind the starting prices are for kids equipment and the better equipment you get and the larger it is the price will go up.

I have been very impressed with Kaelin, they don't ask what your shoe size is, they actually measure your feet before bringing out any rental boots. They are NOT a discount store, their stuff is not cheap, but they do know what they are doing and are willing to explain stuff.

Ski Net Spots in LA may, I don't know (never been there, but seen thier shop on the bootfitters website).
post #15 of 15
Get your boots locally as suggested above. For skis, stop thinking and buy these now: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Dynastar-Ski...QQcmdZViewItem

The Dynastar SkiCross 9 is a higher quality ski with better long-range potential for you than the Volkl 380's and MUCH better bindings. New, old stock (probably 2004 or 2005). Comparable to Volkl 4-star or 5-star but a slightly wider waist and Dynastars are easier to ski and more forgiving, without sacrificing high performance as you progress.

I have no connection to the seller but I know they move a ton of demo skis on ebay with good feedback. These are NEW skis even though they include demo bindings. Look P10 - a cult favorite here on epicski. No downside to demo bindngs really, a little extra weight but a lot more versatility.


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... I am not doing any quick carves or turns and stuff. This experience came with me just blazing down a hill because actually I am not very good at the turns yet. ...
Remind me not to ski downhill from you! Seriously, lessons.
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