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Rossi Z9's or Apache Recon's

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Trying to figure out which ski I want to demo and what size. I plan on renting them from Canyon Sports in SLC(Jan 16-19). Might try both if I can!!!!!

I like to ski the whole mountain. The past couple of years I have been skiing mostly single diamond or upper blue runs at Copper Mountain (I am probably between a high level 6 or mid level 7 skier). Lots of moguls, some crud and powder. This year I will be skiing some with the wife who is a level 5 skier who likes the blue groomers (will be doing some carving). I hope to get a chance at more powder this year.

I need an all mountain ski that will allow me to ski multiple terrains.

I am 5'7 190(I know time to lose a few)
Upper level 6 - to mid level 7 skier that enjoys the whole mountain

Apache Recons come in 160,167,174
Rossi Z9's come in 162,170,176
Had been skiing 167's in the past.

I am not a speed demon, but I do enjoy some speed(nothing crazy).
post #2 of 15
I recently purcahsed a pair of RECONS 174cm(without demo) and couldn't be happier. The ski can do everything and is very forgiving.

Some of my fellow Vail instructors swear by the Z9 up to about 12" of powder.

The Z9 will likely have a smaller turn radius. I personally prefer a longer radius ski and I can add more effort to make it ski short.

The Z9 will be an easier carver, the RECON will be a better crud/powder ski.

Hope this helps.
Dave
Level 3, Vail Sk School
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the good info!!!!!

Anybody else care to comment.
post #4 of 15
Update,

I demo'ed a pair of Z9's, 170cm this afternoon. The specs list a 15M radius and my RECONS are 18.

Overall I liked the Z9 but I was able to find the speed limit quite easily. Above the limit the ski felt nervous and too lively. The RECON is far more damped but dosen't ski heavy or slow from edge to edge.

I didn't ski the Z9 in powder or crud but if I owned a pair I would still need a mid-fat skis for powder.

Ask around, you can't beat the RECONs if you want to own one pair of skis.


FWIW, I've owned Rossis for the past 15 years.

Enjoy!
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks again!!!
post #6 of 15
[quote=dtaski;629206]Update,

Overall I liked the Z9 but I was able to find the speed limit quite easily. Above the limit the ski felt nervous and too lively. The RECON is far more damped but dosen't ski heavy or slow from edge to edge.


Wow. How fast do you ski? I own the Z9, 162, and totally disagree. I found quite the opposite. The ski to me is sluggish below 15-20, and incredibly damp and stable at speed.

I guess thats why people should demo. Different strokes.

Gonzo
post #7 of 15
I'm suprised by the speed limit thing as well...I have the Z5 and have skiid the Z9 several times now. Both in 176 and I've had nothing but great stability at warp speed, especially on the Z9.

I don't know how fast you ski, but none of the people I ski with would say I lack in the speed department (sloppy skiing yes: )....Some would even say I'm a lunatic and I have total confidence in flying on either ski.

If anything, I'd say they are too easy to go fast on and can get lower level skiers into trouble with the over-confidence these ski's give.
post #8 of 15
Keep one thing in mind if you go for the Recons-They tend to be long for their measurements. Just take a look at them next to a comparable ski of the "same" length. This has been commented on by several on these forums.
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
Noted and if I go with the Rossi's Z9's I will ski 170 and on the Recon I would probably ski 167.

Quote:
Originally Posted by memosteve
If anything, I'd say they are too easy to go fast on and can get lower level skiers into trouble with the over-confidence these ski's give.
Do you think this would apply to someone of my level. I rented a pair of Rossi's last year that Skied a little faster than I would have liked, but I think it was more of an edge problem combined with a user problem. I dont remember the model though.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by bobcatalum05 View Post
Noted and if I go with the Rossi's Z9's I will ski 170 and on the Recon I would probably ski 167.



Do you think this would apply to someone of my level. I rented a pair of Rossi's last year that Skied a little faster than I would have liked, but I think it was more of an edge problem combined with a user problem. I dont remember the model though.
No...I think you will do just fine. It's just that they like to go fast and not only is it a blast on these but they have a fairly generous sweet spot as well which lends to easy speed and lot's of confidence as long as you don't muscle them. For some this can lead to them reaching speeds beyond their control. For others this can actually be just what they need if they are ready to break out to the next level.

I got the Z5's specifically for skiing with the wife/kids and less accomplished friends because they are more relaxed than the Z9's at slower speeds, but can handle higher speeds when needed. The problem with that though is that even on the Z5's I still find myself wanting to go warp speed and can/do and often leave my friends in the dust anyways.

I'm for sure getting a pair of Z9's in a 176 next season mostly because the biggest difference I've found between the two is that the Z9 is a bit more stable at high speed through less than perfect snow and with longer turns which is my prefered turn radius. The Z5's can handle long turns, but their forte is definitely medium/short radius and our snow conditions on Hood are almost always less than perfect even on groomers.

The only other groomer zoomer ski I've been on that's as much fun as the Z5/Z9 was the Volkl AllStar which I wouldn't mind having either. For me though I just really like that damp Rossi feel. Some don't. The other big differences between the AllStar and the Zenith's is that the AllStars don't care much for being flatlined and to me don't seem as versatile in varying conditions vs. the Zenith's.

With that, I need to get to bed. I have to be up in about 4 hours so I can go ski all the pow we just got on Hood.
post #11 of 15
Guys,

I skied the Z9's at about 30-40 MPH on a day old blue /black groomers. I occasionally ski faster than that and prefer a longer radius ski.
post #12 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcatalum05 View Post

I am 5'7 190(I know time to lose a few)
Upper level 6 - to mid level 7 skier that enjoys the whole mountain

Apache Recons come in 160,167,174
Rossi Z9's come in 162,170,176
Had been skiing 167's in the past.

I am not a speed demon, but I do enjoy some speed(nothing crazy).
Bob,

The Z9 likes to be skied short, and fast. They are even making a 147 this year. I am the same height, and a couple of pounds lighter than you, and the 162 feels more like a GS ski than a SL ski to me. If you go with the Z9 I would go with the 162 for the fun factor, and leave the 170, 176 to the really big boys.

Also, I totally agree with MemoSteve's post. The Z9 is stiff, and will force you to ski fast. Maybe faster than your comfort zone. It's unresponsive at slower speeds but extremly stable, and lively at speed. If you find this the case, you might want to try the Z5, which has the same dimentions but a softer flex.

Gonzo
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
The Z5 sounds like the ticket, but it doesnt look like Canyon Sports offers them. They offer the B2, B3, and B4. Anybody know anything more about the Apache Recon.
post #14 of 15
I think of the B2 as more comparable to the Recon than the Z9. But what do I know.

Bob, the Recon is basically the original one-ski-quiver. I've never met anyone who doesn't like them. I almost bought them last year, before deciding on the PM Gear Bro Model instead.

In the West, however, for a one-ski-quiver, I'd think about a fatter ski than either of those if I were you (high 80s waist or bigger)... especially in light of your desire to hit more pow.
post #15 of 15
Demo the B3 for your western one ski quiver. It's only 83mm so not the best float in deep powder nor the best for bumps, but it works in both quite well. It will be very good for crud and not to deep powder. It carves fine but not with short turns. The recon is a fine ski, but just didn't do it for me. I had a great time on them in most conditions, but not that fun in the bumps. The B3 was easier for me in the bumps. The B2 was better in the bumps but not as good in the crud or powder. Demo, Demo, Demo.
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