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First Impression: 2006-2007 Volkl Mantra 184cm w/Tyrolia LD12 Rail Flex ll Bindings

post #1 of 64
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Hi Folks,

Count me as another person without enough superlatives to describe this ski. I’m coming off an ancient pair of Volkl Explosives at 190cm as my fat ski. I also own a pair of 177cm Volkl Karmas and the Volkl Allstars in 168cm. So I thought I had plumbed the depths of wonderfulness regarding this company’s ability to produce outstanding skis. Au contraire mon ami, (Question: Is it inappropriate to make a lame attempt at sophistication by using a French phrase in discussing a German ski? Does the fact that K2 now owns Volkl color the issue? Oh well…these deep questions are beyond me!) these skis are at a new level.

I skied a few runs last winter on the black 2005-2006 Mantras and thoroughly enjoyed myself. I only have two days on my new red Mantras so I’m still in the infatuation stage. However I can see this relationship moving on to the “I don’t want to go skiing unless I can use these skis” phase. The biggest surprise for me was how well they handled bumps. The bumps were covered in 4 inches of two day old powder and hard underneath. They were a foot to 18 inches deep and closely spaced. The Mantras went from arcing GS turns in cut up powder to slicing and dicing these bumps without a second’s hesitation. I was just along for the ride as this impressive ski demonstrated incredible versatility. On the feet of a skilled skier it would be amazing to see what these babies could do.

The bindings I chose can be moved 3cm forward or backward. I mounted them with the mid-point mark on the boot at the company indicated mark on the ski. That is the configuration when the binding is in the forward position. Therefore when I move the binding to its rearmost position I’ll have the mid-point mark on the boot 3cm behind the company indicated mark on the ski. I’ll use this position when the snow is very deep or very unkind in its composition. I’ll report back how this ability to move the bindings affects the performance of the skis.

Normally I hate marketing hype but the tag line on this ski seems to be true. “If you don’t like the Mantras, it’s probably because you haven’t tried them”

Thanks for letting me rant. I hope you all enjoy the New Year!

Michael
post #2 of 64
Just curious as to your specs (ht, wt, ability) for terms of reference...

thanks
post #3 of 64
Damn you, now I can't wait to pickup my 177 06/07 Mantras when I get back from the holidays. My biggest worry about getting them were the bumps. I left them at the shop to be mounted (center point of boot/ski as well) to some Salomon Z12s (heard some mixed feedback about these bindings so I will be sure to post about them once I have had enough time to try them out, personally I hope the light ski/binding combinations works out well).

Now I must continue to pray for more snow in Tahoe and travel to LA-LA-Land to watch my Wolverines hopefully kick USC's a$$.

Thanks for the review.
post #4 of 64
I got it too- the Mantra disease. You're not crazy. I'm selling/giving away the quiver. I've got the 177 and the only thing I might add is a bigger stick for the really deep days- although tha'ts just a lazy man's luxury. I've Gsed 20 inches of crud on these and as long as you stay balanced and pay attention, that length works just fine. Amazing on groomers. Quick and light in short turns. Really fun and spirited. An easy ski to work tip to tail, very stable at speed. I can't quite believe how a powder ski can make ice so much fun. After much reading and thought, I mounted them on the mark and they are perfectly balanced- I can get pretty aggressive so need to be careful not to pitch an endo - but the center mount makes short turns and pivoting in bumps and tight spots easy and natural. Beware the tails. I had a delam problem- about 3 inches of the top metal layer just peeled up with the topsheet. Volkl found a replacement in a couple days. So baby them, they'll sell out soon.
post #5 of 64
Thread Starter 

"Specs"

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Originally Posted by wizard View Post
Just curious as to your specs (ht, wt, ability) for terms of reference...

thanks

Hi Mr. Wizard,

Specs are:

5’ 10”
175 lbs
30 years of Skiing

Here is a review I did on the Volkl Karma, another great ski, that goes into my background in greater detail:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=33326

Thanks,

Michael
post #6 of 64
I'm right there with you.

I bought 184 Mantras about this time last year. I initially bought them to replace K2 Chiefs and envisioned them to be my powder-only ski but now they are my ski of choice for everything aside from frozen coral (deadly vibrations) or front side only carving days.

If something happened to Mantras today I'd go out and buy another set without thinking twice.

Me:
5'10"
165 lbs
Level 8/9 skier (I'm never quite sure where I fit in)
Ski 50 days yearly mostly at Vail & been doing so for a long time
post #7 of 64
Thanks. Id be eager to see you report back when you have skied them in something that is closer to what theyre made for. I dont consider 4" of snow to be anything close to requiring a ski like the Mantra. Most race carvers can handle 4" new. Add another 12" on top of that and I'm curious. The bump skiing is good to hear but it would be keener to hear about how they are when the bump troughs get to be 2 feet or more so Id like to hear a report on that too.

Do you have any thoughts on comparing last years to this years models? They are supposed to be a little different.
post #8 of 64
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Originally Posted by ramshackle View Post
.....I dont consider 4" of snow to be anything close to requiring a ski like the Mantra. Most race carvers can handle 4" new......Do you have any thoughts on comparing last years to this years models? They are supposed to be a little different.
Hi Mr. ramshackle,

The four inches of snow didn’t require that I use the Mantras. The only requirement was that I use my brand new shinny toys as soon as it was remotely possible to do so. Snow, here in Northern CA, has been so lacking that I went to Boise, ID to a little ski hill called Bogus Basin just to get a few “powder” turns on these skis. A family Christmas visit was the ostensible reason for the trip but since I’m in the presence of fellow aficionados the truth can be told.

In that kind of snow my Allstars would have been fine but normally I would have used my Karmas for maximum grin potential. Hence my excitement when I learned how fun my new “deep powder” ski was in conditions it was not primarily designed for. If we ever get snow here in NorCal I’ll report back on how I experience the Mantra in its intended environment. As to the differences between last year’s and this year’s model I wasn’t able to perceive any. Truth to tell I only had a few runs on last year’s model so my data base for comparison is lacking.

Have Fun,

Michael
post #9 of 64
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Originally Posted by ramshackle View Post
The bump skiing is good to hear but it would be keener to hear about how they are when the bump troughs get to be 2 feet or more so Id like to hear a report on that too.
I have last year's black Mantra. You can get them through big bump just fine. But if you plan on skiing bumps all day or long bump runs, you would probably want another ski.

The flex is pretty even between the tip and the tail so the Mantra bends evenly in the bumps. No super stiff tail to give you a little surprise.

I have both the 184 and the 191. The 1st day on the 191 was spent skiing some large spring bumps in Tahoe.

Beware: The 1st year Mantra have a reputation for getting bent if slammed into a mogul too hard.

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Originally Posted by ramshackle View Post
Thanks. Id be eager to see you report back when you have skied them in something that is closer to what theyre made for. I dont consider 4" of snow to be anything close to requiring a ski like the Mantra. Most race carvers can handle 4" new. Add another 12" on top of that and I'm curious.
The Mantras handle deep snow very well, especially for non dedicated deep snow ski (eg Sanouks or sumos). I have had my 184 Mantra in 20" of untracked. The tip (as wide as Sanouk's) helps turn initiation. But, I definitely notice the waist difference between the Mantra and Sanouk(110mm).

I must admit I do not get all the "need" / "requires" stuff. Isn't it about picking the best/most fun ski in your quiver for the conditions and/or skiing you want to do?

In 4" of sierra heavy snow or 2 day old consolidating powder, I would much prefer my 191 Mantra for making GS turns than my 168 6 stars. I could ski it (and have) w/ my 6 stars, but why?
post #10 of 64
Hey there StormDay if you dont get what I mean by needs then maybe you just dont understand what I mean but thats okay. What I mean is that if I went to buy a Mantra I wouldnt be buying it for skiing groomers and wouldnt buy it if the only new snow I skied was only 4" deep. Volkl makes a lot of skis and the reason for that is because they do different things well right? If the Mantra was Volkls ski for 4" or less of new snow then what are all those other skis with narrower waists and more sidecut for? Deep powder?
post #11 of 64
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Originally Posted by michaelsnead View Post
I’m coming off an ancient pair of Volkl Explosives at 190cm as my fat ski.

Just out of curiosity - what did you do with the Explosivs?
post #12 of 64
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Originally Posted by ramshackle View Post
Hey there StormDay if you dont get what I mean by needs then maybe you just dont understand what I mean but thats okay. What I mean is that if I went to buy a Mantra I wouldnt be buying it for skiing groomers and wouldnt buy it if the only new snow I skied was only 4" deep. Volkl makes a lot of skis and the reason for that is because they do different things well right? If the Mantra was Volkls ski for 4" or less of new snow then what are all those other skis with narrower waists and more sidecut for? Deep powder?

Yeah I see what you are saying and it makes sense at the buy decision point. If you are not going to get a chance to ski the conditions where a ski excels, don't buy the ski.

I far as difference size waist skis. I like how rossi explained it with the X, XX, and XXX. X for 90% groomers/10% off piste, XX for 50/50, and 10%/90% for XXX.


Getting back to the Mantra review: I do think the mantra excels at crud and spring corn.

michaelsnead, once we get some more snow you will be have fun on your new toys.
post #13 of 64
Thread Starter 

Gave to Mentor!

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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
Just out of curiosity - what did you do with the Explosivs?
Hi Jer,

I sent them, as a birthday present, to the guy who taught me how to ski powder. We both bought a pair of these the first year they were produced. His pair was very floppy and the top sheets were gouged from lots of time in powder bumps. Given how well he skies regardless of whatever he puts on his feet I’m not going to tell him of the advantages of moving to the Mantra!

Thanks,

Michael
post #14 of 64
Thread Starter 

Two Mantras - An Embarrassment of Riches?

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Originally Posted by StormDay View Post
.....I have both the 184 and the 191....In 4" of sierra heavy snow or 2 day old consolidating powder, I would much prefer my 191 Mantra for making GS turns.....
Hi StormDay,

I would have thought that you would use your shorter Mantra in this situation and your longer Mantra in deep, deep powder. Please educate me as to how you decide which one to use. How does the 191cm length perform for you? Would you mind sharing your height and weight? Thanks for assuring me of the fun that is yet to come using my new toys!

Michael
post #15 of 64
StormDay, what is your size/weight/ability? I went with the 177's and I am 6'1", i'm wondering if I should have went longer. Most of the skis I demo'ed last yeaer were 174-177 so I figured the length would be fine. I also prefer to make shorter turns over GS style turns.
post #16 of 64
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Originally Posted by unpossible View Post
StormDay, what is your size/weight/ability? I went with the 177's and I am 6'1", i'm wondering if I should have went longer. Most of the skis I demo'ed last yeaer were 174-177 so I figured the length would be fine. I also prefer to make shorter turns over GS style turns.
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Originally Posted by michaelsnead View Post
Hi StormDay,

I would have thought that you would use your shorter Mantra in this situation and your longer Mantra in deep, deep powder. Please educate me as to how you decide which one to use. How does the 191cm length perform for you? Would you mind sharing your height and weight? Thanks for assuring me of the fun that is yet to come using my new toys!

Michael
deep deep powder = Sanouks

me:
5'9"
225lbs
35 years skiing (I'll be 38 in Feb)
Level: I've been told I'm a 9. I blankly stared at the instructor not knowing what that meant. He tried to explain it me while we were hiking.)
Ski style: aggressive, hard on the snow. Grew up skiing VT, short turns are more natural for me, but 14 yrs in the sierra has got me to open my turns up.
Other skies: 185 XXX, 168 6 stars, Sanouks, 194 Legend Pros, 174 Stormrider XLs

2 Mantra: I felt the 184 was a little short for some situations in crud or corn. I was expecting a stiffer ski (like the last year of the explosiv). Plus, I had the 184 out on the day after the powder day and found some stashes untouched. I realized that I would like a little more float.

Given that I found the 184 Mantra to be quick turners, it made sense that the 191 would be maneuverable enough for me in the trees, but give more stability at speed in the crud and more float in powder.

Pickup the 191 last March. I've been debating selling the 184. (something may pop up in gear swap shortly)

191s are mounted them on the line. (184s are -1cm) It has pretty much work as I had hoped. The 191 online are bit easier to turn then I thought they would be (based on 184 @ -1cm). Plus the 191 feels well balanced in soft snow and cut up powder (no untracked yet for them).

Also, the edge hold on the 191 is noticeably better. (longer ski makes sense).

For me 184 - great in tight spaces and trees. Handle some nasty breakable crust early last year very well. But occasionally, I did not think it handled a change in snow density very well (like Sanouks or 194 LPs would)

Summing it up:
184 - really like them.
191 - love them.

from 12/29/06: Me on the 191s 2 day after 17" storm of medium density sierra snow, not blower but not sierra cement. (sanouk got the pow day.)



unpossible: Should be easy enough to demo the 184s. Why do you think the 177 is short for you?
post #17 of 64
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Originally Posted by StormDay View Post
unpossible: Should be easy enough to demo the 184s. Why do you think the 177 is short for you?
Because it seems like most people shorter than me appear to be demo'ing and or buying a longer ski. I consider myself an advanced skier, and the Mantras (already purchased) will be my first pair of modern skis owned. I previously used/owned some Salomon Super Force 3s up until last season, when I started demo'ing more modern skis. I posted a thread a while back about making the jump.

As I mentioned before, most of the stuff I demo'ed last season was 174 or 177 in length and I pretty much enjoyed everything I tried. I'm probably worrying about it to much, I'm just anxious to pickup my freshly mounted boards and get to skiing on them.
post #18 of 64
unpossible,

IMO Mantra ski a bit short. I'm 5'10" 165# and after demoing both the 177 & 184 Mantra decided to purchase the 184 and couldn't be happier. At my size this ski provides great float in the freshies and is still & wide enough to bust the crud. They are very quick & I can still easily maneuver them through trees, bumps & chutes.

To summarize my experience with the 177/184 is like StormDay's with the 184/191

177 - really like them
184 - love them

For comparison purposes, my Elan 666 are 176 cm and my Elan RipSticks are 170. I want my Mantras to be long beacuse they are reserved for fresh snow days. FWIW, the 184s still maneuver through bumps quite well but rely on lots of body absorption and smooth technique. Bashing the zipline wouldn't be fun and could easily lead to a bent ski. I wouldn't dream of taking my Mantras through hard frozen shark-tooth bumps though.
post #19 of 64
Quote:
from 12/29/06: Me on the 191s 2 day after 17" storm of medium density sierra snow, not blower but not sierra cement. (sanouk got the pow day.)
If thats true then how come the person above you is standing on the snow. Looks more like 6" at most.
post #20 of 64
Michael, thanks for your insightful reviews. Could you compare/contrast the Mantra and the Karma since you are the proud owner of both? If you were reduced to a 1 ski quiver, which would you chose?
post #21 of 64
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Originally Posted by ramshackle View Post
If thats true then how come the person above you is standing on the snow. Looks more like 6" at most.
b/c it was 2 days after the 17" storm and therefore skied. The snow on that line was skied a little too much to call it cut up powder, but was still very soft.

Here is Squaw (the area next door) snowfall totals. Pic was taken at Alpine Meadows on 12/29/06. Elevation: ~7800'

http://www.squaw.com/winter/snowfall.html
post #22 of 64
Anyone care to compare/contrast the Mantra vs. the other high-end wide-snow skis out there (Elan 777, Head iM88, Blizzard Titan 9, Scott Mission, Atomic Snoop Daddy, Nordica Jet Fuel ect.?) I have a demo of the Mantra lined up, but not until next week.
post #23 of 64
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
Anyone care to compare/contrast the Mantra vs. the other high-end wide-snow skis out there (Elan 777, Head iM88, Blizzard Titan 9, Scott Mission, Atomic Snoop Daddy, Nordica Jet Fuel ect.?) I have a demo of the Mantra lined up, but not until next week.
Dawg,
I demo'd a 170 Jet Fuel recently. Unfortunately I only had the oppurtunity to ski the JF on groomers, a bit of bumps and just 1-2" of crud.

I found these skis to have very little similarities and IMO occupy different niches in the quiver.

Mantra has a light & lively feel to it. It's not damp and transmits lots of snow vibration. Mantra is significantly lighter feeling under foot and the lesser swing weight, compared to JF, is very noticeable. Rebound energy is average. It's not a dog but won't toss you either.

Interestingly, I didn't think JF was any quicker edge to edge than Mantra despite the skinnier waist and the shorter length. JF is extremely damp to the point of eliminating snow feel which isn't a trait I particularly relish in a ski. JF takes lots of muscle to flex and I found that it only responded to strong modern cross-under technique, whereas Mantra can be scarved which comes in handy when in tight chutes or bumps. Mantra is quite capable in bumps, provided they are carved and one uses lots of body absorption. JF was completely unwiedly in the bumps.

A bigger skier than I would probably enjoy Jet Fuel more than I did. It's not the ski to me. Too damp & too demanding for my tastes. The Afterburner might be more suitable to my taste, although I think something like the Enforcer would be more comparable to Mantra.

Jet Fuel belongs more in the Outlaw or Volkl AC4 catagory of ski which are really all-mtn skis geared more for off-piste - but in the end are still supercharged carving skis. Mantra, on the other hand, is more in the powder/crud mode of ski but is still quite adapt at laying down powerful arcs on the groomed.
post #24 of 64
Thread Starter 

Karma vs Mantra

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Originally Posted by Redfish View Post
Michael, thanks for your insightful reviews. Could you compare/contrast the Mantra and the Karma since you are the proud owner of both? If you were reduced to a 1 ski quiver, which would you chose?

Hi Redfish,

After posting that as the subject line my first thought is: What a false dichotomy that is. I say that because I believe we have two complementary flavors of wonderfulness between these two skis. To illustrate that let me answer your last question first.

One Ski Quiver:
  • If time in the park, doing butter turns or skiing switch is on your list of fun activities then the Karma is the only answer here.
  • If a ski day without bumps in all their iterations is not to be borne then the nod also goes to the Karma.
  • If you live on the West Coast where you regularly experience snow with high water content I’d pick the Karma. (Full Disclosure: I’ve never skied east of Jackson Hole so while I can play like I know something about skiing in the West I can’t even begin to offer an opinion about eastern conditions and subsequent ski choices)
  • If you live in CO, UT, WY or anywhere else in the Inner-Mountain West I would go with the Mantra.
  • While nether ski is designed for it both of them are quite fun on the groomers. On the feet of a skilled skier both of them can lay down some nice tracks.
  • Bottom Line: In soft snow and crud the nod goes to the Mantras. Bumps, tricks and harder snow give the advantage to the Karma. As a CA skier addicted to bumps if I was forced to have only one ski it would be the Karma.
So the answer to your query, like many other difficult questions, is; depends! I hope I haven’t muddied the waters too much. I’m sure there are others on this board who can offer more wisdom than I can ever pretend to. SierraJim, Cirquerider, Dawgcatching, StormDay please open the envelope and tell the world who the winner is!

Thanks,

Michael
post #25 of 64
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
Anyone care to compare/contrast the Mantra vs. the other high-end wide-snow skis out there (Elan 777, Head iM88, Blizzard Titan 9, Scott Mission, Atomic Snoop Daddy, Nordica Jet Fuel ect.?) I have a demo of the Mantra lined up, but not until next week.
IMHO there really isn't anything else out there today that matches what the Mantra gives us now. The main issue is the ski dimensions. The Mantra has a very wide tip relative to the tail. I run a calculation of the ski taper from the ratio of the "tip cut" to the "tail cut" of a ski. For the Mantra (with a tip cut of 36 and a tail cut of 19) you get a ski with a 1.89 taper. The only other ski even close to this right now is the Stockli Stormrider DP with a 1.82 and even then the tip isn't nearly as wide as the Mantra (only 125mm compared to 130mm for the Mantra).

The Mantra's shape makes for a wide ski that initiates turns very easily and releases turns very easily. I also found it to be powerful and energetic with a decent amount of dampness (it's a bit livelier than the AC4).

Next season we will get a Mantra competitor from Elan in the new 888 (dimensions 130-90-110). That actually has a taper calculation of 2.00! That means there's twice the sidecut depth on the front of the ski compared to the tail of the ski. I sure hope you'll get a chance to ride it in the Spring when you get your new Elans in.

Note that Volkl is making the Mantra a bit wider (like 3mm more) for next season, but I think the taper is staying about the same.
post #26 of 64
I'm still kicking myself that I didn't demo the 184 back-to-back with the 177. I tend to get a little over zealous when trying new gear and as I was deep into my second season of demoing I began to get my friends harping on me to just buy some damn gear (they were growing tired of having to get up extra early so I could go to a different shop each day and try something new). I loved the 177, so I got it when I found a pair on sale. I rode them almost exclusively last season with a few days on my 177 Karma (again, wish I'd demoed the 185 in that, but the 177 is good for bumps) and a few days on my 180 No Ka Oi. I'm actually seriously contemplating relegating the Mantras to AT status and picking up the 180 AK King Salmon (it has similar dimensions to the Mantra and I love it's little brother the No Ka Oi). I was trying to demo the 184 Mantra this season just for ducks, but very few shops even have any for demo.



at any rate, I still dig the 177, but then again hindsight is 20/20, eh?

Noodler: The AK King Salmon is 125/24/115, making is somewhat akin to the Mantra and DP...I think.

http://www.akski-usa.com/products.html
post #27 of 64
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post
IMHO there really isn't anything else out there today that matches what the Mantra gives us now. The main issue is the ski dimensions. The Mantra has a very wide tip relative to the tail. I run a calculation of the ski taper from the ratio of the "tip cut" to the "tail cut" of a ski. For the Mantra (with a tip cut of 36 and a tail cut of 19) you get a ski with a 1.89 taper. The only other ski even close to this right now is the Stockli Stormrider DP with a 1.82 and even then the tip isn't nearly as wide as the Mantra (only 125mm compared to 130mm for the Mantra).

The Mantra's shape makes for a wide ski that initiates turns very easily and releases turns very easily. I also found it to be powerful and energetic with a decent amount of dampness (it's a bit livelier than the AC4).

Next season we will get a Mantra competitor from Elan in the new 888 (dimensions 130-90-110). That actually has a taper calculation of 2.00! That means there's twice the sidecut depth on the front of the ski compared to the tail of the ski. I sure hope you'll get a chance to ride it in the Spring when you get your new Elans in.

Note that Volkl is making the Mantra a bit wider (like 3mm more) for next season, but I think the taper is staying about the same.
What was your skiing impression of the 777 vs. the Mantra? Did you get a chance to ski them one after another on the same terrain?
post #28 of 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodler View Post
IMHO there really isn't anything else out there today that matches what the Mantra gives us now. The main issue is the ski dimensions. The Mantra has a very wide tip relative to the tail. I run a calculation of the ski taper from the ratio of the "tip cut" to the "tail cut" of a ski. For the Mantra (with a tip cut of 36 and a tail cut of 19) you get a ski with a 1.89 taper. The only other ski even close to this right now is the Stockli Stormrider DP with a 1.82 and even then the tip isn't nearly as wide as the Mantra (only 125mm compared to 130mm for the Mantra).

The Mantra's shape makes for a wide ski that initiates turns very easily and releases turns very easily. I also found it to be powerful and energetic with a decent amount of dampness (it's a bit livelier than the AC4).
Interesting points on the taper. The effect is definitely more noticeable on a shorter Mantra (184) than a longer one (191). To get longer turns in soft snow with the 184, I find I need to use a little heal pressure to bring the tips out of snow and ski the back 3/4 of the ski. Given the taper, I have a feeling that a turn radius calculation on the back 3/4 of the ski would result in a much large turn radius

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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
I'm still kicking myself that I didn't demo the 184 back-to-back with the 177.
...
I loved the 177
...

I was trying to demo the 184 Mantra this season just for ducks, but very few shops even have any for demo.
Demo: I saw a bunch of Mantras at the Alpine Meadows demo shop.

On the size issue, it a case of really liking versus loving.
post #29 of 64
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Originally Posted by michaelsnead View Post
  • Bottom Line: In soft snow and crud the nod goes to the Mantras. Bumps, tricks and harder snow give the advantage to the Karma. As a CA skier addicted to bumps if I was forced to have only one ski it would be the Karma.
I’m on the flip side of the bump issue. I preferred to hike/traverse to avoid the bumps and find soft snow. (Personal view is I skied enough bumps as teenager/early twenty something to last a lifetime. ) Also, I’m willing to ski nasty conditions to get into/ out of good snow.

Staying w/ the volkl line. For me, the decision is more between the Mantra and Gotama for my everyday ski. I went with the Mantra, partly b/c I thought the Gotama was too close in width to the Sanouk(already owned) and the Gotama felt short when I demoed a pair (04/05 version).

Sounds like this year Gotama might make decision not so clear cut…
post #30 of 64
So I found the thread with the info on some of next season's Volkl freeride line.

The Mantra goes to 133-96-116 (20.3m in a 177cm and 22.5m in a 184cm). The Gotama stays at 133-105-124 (no change). The new Katana comes in at 140-111-130 (25.2m in a 183cm and 27.6m in a 190cm).

So the new Mantra will have a slightly deeper sidecut with some additional width. Now I'm really wondering who the Volkl designers are talking to for some of these new skis.
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