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XScream as "bargain" skis?

post #1 of 10
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Hoping someone can validate or veto these as "new" skis for me...

Info: I'm 41, 5'9", 175-ish, have skiied for 25 yrs and am a strong 8, no chest-thumping. When I have it together I'm a 9, but you know, when I have it together I also shoot in the low 80s...

I ski in the NW, so most of you know what that means. Some days you just can't do much off-piste unless you've been bad and need to be punished. I seek out challenging stuff when I'm not skiing with my sons and their friends, in which case we're doing level 7-ish stuff. So, bumps, crud, and high-speed ripping are going to be in the equation. When I lived in Denver and could get 25 days a year, I worked my @$$ off to get to where I could ski any run in bounds at any mountain with enthusiasm vice pucker. If I had the time I'd try to get back to that point, though my selection of available mountains is somewhat smaller!

Looking to replace 198 Atomics I've had since early 90's. So, length is comfortable, though I suspect I will find a sweet spot around 175-180 depending on ski model (would go 165 on M:EX, for example.)

I just can't afford to throw down more than $300 at this point in my life, preferably in the $200's. The good news -- there are a bunch of screamers on eBay for cheap. The bad news -- there are a bunch of cheap screamers...

I already know the following, so reinforce to your heart's content...

I'd probably be happier than a pig in #$%* on the Bandit B2. Same with the Volkl AC3 or 5*, Metron 10 or B5, or Legend 8000/4800. Problem is, I can't find a decent used pair in my length that isn't already mounted with crappy demo-rentals or other problem for less than $300+ Still hoping.

Scream / XScream seems to elicit the largest range of opinions here, and has the most variations, so I can't eliminate some auctions and zero in on the real values without help.

I don't think I'll consider the Pilot series. Sound too cushy. Don't know much about the Scream 7 or 8. Don't think they're the ticket, but help me out, if you know more about them.

Seems like there are a few years of production (2002-2004?) where the XScream was a real thing. Can anyone validate this, and help me out with graphics to tell? I hear earlier ones (2000-01?) were softer, and I know I'm going to want something I can really lay on edge when it's a piste day and the only fun I'm going to have is when I can either (a) go fast, or (b) put in as many turns in the bumps / on the fall line as my quads can manage.

This is long enough -- you get my point. If anyone knows of another ski in the vintage I'm looking at, that is still a competent "all-mountain" (I know, I know) ski I'm open to ideas.

Big thanks!
post #2 of 10
I'm not familiar with the various X-Scream models.

I would avoid the Dynastar 4800, but I would consider the Intuitive 74 in a 174cm. These can be found for $150 or less. Also consider these: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-2004-Dynasta...QQcmdZViewItem

Hope that helped,

Michael
post #3 of 10

pilot

the pilot was the best built and had a mounting plate with 914ti bindings. i have a scream10. xtra hot 2004 its the least "cushy", but i wouldnt call it stiff. but i wouldnt buy old skis on ebay that i hadnt touched, if you can only "afford" $200 how do you travel 3000 miles and buy a lift ticket?
post #4 of 10
I have a pair of yellow XScreams that have never even had bindings mounted on them. If you want a good deal, drop me a PM.
post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 

Intuitiv 74 hard to find

Thanks for the pointer to the Skicross; not one I'd seen yet. I'd looked at the Atomic SX B5 (about $300 new with Neox 412) but was steered away by comments on this forum that they were more of an on-piste tenacious carver than all-mountain, and required a lot of skier involvement for max reward. Also only 68mm waist. Would love something in the mid-70s underfoot; the Skicross at 69 is also narrower than I'd like. But I know going back 4-5 yrs will cut down on the width available.

Hard to find any 74s online, or 71s for that matter. But I am looking for those.

Thanks
post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by crudaddict View Post
Thanks for the pointer to the Skicross; not one I'd seen yet. I'd looked at the Atomic SX B5 (about $300 new with Neox 412) but was steered away by comments on this forum that they were more of an on-piste tenacious carver than all-mountain, and required a lot of skier involvement for max reward. Also only 68mm waist. Would love something in the mid-70s underfoot; the Skicross at 69 is also narrower than I'd like. But I know going back 4-5 yrs will cut down on the width available.

Hard to find any 74s online, or 71s for that matter. But I am looking for those.

Thanks
I have a pair of 182cm Intuitive 74 with 3 days on them. They are as-new. PM me if interested.

Cheers,

Michael
post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 

OR, not NY

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Originally Posted by duke walker View Post
the pilot was the best built and had a mounting plate with 914ti bindings. i have a scream10. xtra hot 2004 its the least "cushy", but i wouldnt call it stiff. but i wouldnt buy old skis on ebay that i hadnt touched, if you can only "afford" $200 how do you travel 3000 miles and buy a lift ticket?
Dude, it's only 79 miles from my house to Hoodoo and on Tightwad Tuesdays it's $19. Cheap enough for you? I *really* can only afford $200...

Thanks for the input on the Pilot and the 10.
post #8 of 10
Yes, the XScreams were a real deal in those years- this was argualbly the first "real" midfat ski and it kicked some @ss for a good many years. I still have a pair off 187s in my garage becuase I cannot force myself to part with them. Compared to today's midfat is is thinner and longer. A modern midfat would do everything that XScream does, but with less effort involved, more flotation in powder and more nimbleness. having said that, XScream is a huge step up from an old "pencil" ski.
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thanks and final results...

So...

Got a good last day on my Atomics yesterday -- some GS, some baby bumps, some death crust. Actually skied well for 2nd day of the season -- pleasant surprise. Couldn't help thinking how well it might really be going with shorter, better skis.

Got home and while the rest of the country had headed to their evening's festivities, was able to lurk on some nice '02 Xscreams and managed $148 with shipping, incl good bindings. Figured at that price and what I've been on for 10 yrs, I really can't go wrong...

The rest of the story...

Got to thinking about all the good stuff said about the Intuitivs and Michael's offer, and am getting those as well. Still in the $ ballpark, and I can hunt down the P12's to put on 'em.

Unless you count the 200cm Rossi 4XK's I've been keeping as rock skis, I guess I now have a "quiver" in the works.

Will post back after I've skied one or both, preferably after a trip to Bachelor for some real variety. In the meantime, thanks to those who replied; it really was helpful.
post #10 of 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by duke walker View Post
the pilot was the best built and had a mounting plate with 914ti bindings. i have a scream10. xtra hot 2004 its the least "cushy", but i wouldnt call it stiff. but i wouldnt buy old skis on ebay that i hadnt touched, if you can only "afford" $200 how do you travel 3000 miles and buy a lift ticket?
I don't really agree with this. I think the pilots were the crappiest I skied on and the series the best (X scream series is wood core). If you want a ski that will last you a bit longer, go for the wood cored ones. Screams are great if you like to turn a lot, not quite as good if you like pow, trees and straight lines.
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