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Dynastar Big Trouble impressoins

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I don't do allot of reviews and I don't understand all the terminology but here is a little info on the Big Trouble as best as I can provide.

Hieght:5' 11"
Boot: Lange 120
Resort: Eldora
Exp: 20 years including 5 years A/T. cross country. 4 years of Skate ski. 10 years of Telemark and the last 5 Alpine. Inline speed skate and short track ice skater.

Level: I ski everywhere and try to be aggresive but shy away from bumps for knee preservation. I try to hold a line when I carve and like to ski off piste steeps ( My fav is Taos).

Current ski: Elan S12 Fusion
( I am a big Elan fan They just signed Glen Plake
to help design freeride/style skis)

Conditions: 2 feet of new heavy out of the south west but I didn't get there until noon so it was pretty beat but still nice n soft. To heavy to get into the complete fresh stuff.

Ski: Dynastar Big trouble
Length 176
Radius: 20


Dynastar Propaganda:
riders looking to take their New School technique to the backcountry. These skis are made for switch riding and tricks in the backcountry.

Great floatation on all snow conditions
Backcountry shape, wide super raised tip and tail

Impressive jump performance
Graduated mechanism, Spring Blade

Switch stability
High strength super kick tail


Parks and backcountry

Technical Features,Wood structure,Vertical sidewalls,Sandwich titanal,Spring Blade Technology

End Dynastar propaganda

I had never heard of Titanal so go here if your interested in that.


some body help me with the "Spring blade technology"

Is this anything like "SlingBlade"

My impression:
This ski appeared to me to be very light and nimble. It performed well in the trees. I could jump and make quick moves and ski fast through tracked up fresh in the trees. You could do this all day long on this ski and not get tired.
The ski never did anything funny or wierd seemed very nuetral to me. I enjoyed this portion. I don't switch but I do occasionally like to get a bit of air when the conditions ar soft and this ski does allow you to do that with confidence. Out on the piste it was more of the same, easy to turn with a light feel. But if you want to really carve this ski it does not have it. I guess maybe it's to soft and not enough side cut? Much of the snow was chopped up and if you wanted to ski fast and power through it did it, but not like some of the other ski's I have tried. It did not inspire confidence at speed. I ran it through a bump section. I am not a good bump skier. These bumps where still soft and this ski got me through fairly well as I was able to quickly move the ski about. I guess you would say the ski is forgiving as I know I made several mistakes and the ski let me return to the helm without punishment. One thing that did bother me throughout the day is that it seemed to be to short. Typically a 176 ski seems fine to me but not this one. I attribute this to the center mount, maybe, or maybe it just skis short. The shop tech said he could move the binding back as it was a rental binding and had that functionality. I declined but in hind sight I should have had him move it back I think. Overall this is a decent backcountry ski IMHO but I was not compelled to go out and purchase it unless I had a 3 or 4 ski quiver. I would like to try it side by side with some other skis (8800) at a demo day with the binding moved back off center a bit. It would also be interesting to here what other people think especially some one who ways 20/30 LBS less than me. No hard pack groomed available so I guess I can't really comment on edge grip but this ski has a vertical sidewall construction so I imagine it is decent. It definately held an edge on these conditions.

Conclusion: This ski is grouped into their Freestyle-newschool category. I guess new school means young people. This doesn't completely cut out an aging boomer like me. I was still able to enjoy a portion of what this ski offers and that is being able to ski in the trees and enjoy myself without getting the sh!t kicked out of me.

Again I am not up on the entire review vernacular so if something was not clear or appears contradictory let me know and I will try again to explain what I mean.
post #2 of 12
The lack of carving prowess was the girth and the ski skiing short is partially due to the twin tip. Not sure how center mount effects that as I have never skied on skis mounted center.

Nice review. This ski and the Nothing But Trouble get pretty consistently good remarks.


post #3 of 12
Great review! I ski the 176 (I'm 5'8", 175 lbs) and find it to be very stable and responsive. I have taken it into some steep bumps that were quite soft and loved the light, nimble feel. I have the Salomon Z12 binding on them. I tend not to ski at extremely high speeds (but at still quite quick) and find that they have very good edge grip and the ability to carve quite well (I live out West, so the snow is usually very good!). I'm not a whole lot younger than you (I'm 40), but I love the ski and have used it almost exclusively since I bought it (I also ski a Rossi Z9 and an Atomic C7 for early season conditions). I have the ski mounted on center and would prefer it back 1-2 cm for really deep snow, but we hardly get more than 6 inches of fresh at a time... so far, so great!
post #4 of 12
At your size and that kind of snow the 186 would have been awesome...and yes they need to be mounted 1.5 or 2 cm back.
post #5 of 12
Update - mine are mounted about 1.5 cm back (my trusty shop tech knows what I like!)... knee deep powder and steep moguls today - pure delight. I cannot believe how much I love this ski!
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 

S12 today

I went back to the tree run I did for the review. Although I was on my Elan S12 today. My S12 worked fine but they key point is... Ease of Use. Maybe it's the swing weight, im not sure. But after a couple of runs on the S12 aggressively threading the trees I was feeling it and as I said before I could have pounded that run all day long on the Dynastar. There is alot to be said for feeling fresh legged after hours of skiing instead of feeling like a noodle. I was wishing I was back on the Big Trouble. So I finished out the day carving turns on piste.:|
post #7 of 12
"Is this anything like "SlingBlade" "

I like them french fried potatoes
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 


Originally Posted by Skiboats View Post
I like them french fried potatoes
Mmmmhuh ya uh Mmmhuh
post #9 of 12

Great Review!

I have been looking at the Big Troubles for the last year, and have wanted a tough review on them, so thanks! I am a freestyle skier, but dont spend much time in the park or pipe, just not my thing. I also am wondering on how the bigger size would be for me, as I am 6'4 and about 210.
post #10 of 12
Twin tips generally ski shorter as the effective edge is reduced with the two tips. I've got a pair of Fischer Atuas (twin tip) in a 186, which are similar dimensions to the Big Trouble, and the 186 is a great length. You probably would have been better going longer for the off piste at your weight and experience level.
post #11 of 12

Dynastar Big Trouble

I demo'd the BT in a 186 in mid-December at Snowbird. Conditions were 12 inches of fresh, light, Utah powder. I'm 6'-3", 210#, level 8 skier, 46 years young. It was a great day and I wanted to try some wider boards as I had noticed my "go to" Atomic REX's in 186 the day before [84mm underfoot] were giving me a little trouble in the chutes- Great Scott for example- where the deeper light powder sections had me sitting on my heels to much- not enough float. I also demo'd the K-2 Apache Chief - 181, Vokyl Mantra - 184 and the Solomon X-Wing Fury -184 [I think].

The Chief, I thought, was strictly a powder board at 98mm underfoot- it just tolerates the groomers. I enjoyed it in the pow but it was a little unwieldy, even in its element. Next was the Fury. It was light and nimble [no surprise] and quite a bit of fun to ski, but not quite damp enough for me. I can see how a lighter, finesse skier could really enjoy it however. It performed well in the powder and on piste- the best carver of the 4 I demo'd. Again, not a real surprise as it was the narrowest of the 4 at 87mm underfoot- and was fun in soft bumps.

Next was the BT. The guy at Legend Demos said that they were getting quite a few positive responses about this ski and that I should try it if I was looking for a ski in the 90mm underfoot range. I had intended to demo the Legend 8800 but it was not available in the 186, so I tried my first twin tip. I was immediately hooked. The BT was a blast to ski in the cut up powder, untracked and, especially [to my very pleasant surprise] the soft bumps and catching air. The ski was set up in the free-ride position and it felt great to me. I had no trouble on the hard pack at speed bombing my way to the lift to go up again, hit the cut up pow and some bumps, catch some air and flat line it back to the lift. This ski inspired confidence in me in the soft snow conditions, no question. I found myself looking for opportunities to get some air [I'm not a freestyler] and generally had FUN!

I decided to demo the Mantra at the end of the day. It was also a very good ski IMHO, a better carver than the BT, similar to the BT at high speed, but not as much fun in general. It is a little stiffer ski and I found that it was more work than the BT, especially in the bumps.

Based upon this demo experience, I bought the BT in 186 right after Christmas and elected to use a Tyrolia railflex binding [HD 14 as I'm a bigger guy and thinking about doing more air]. I had the ski shop set the binding so that it was in the mfg suggested freeride position when the binding was all the way back. This allows me to adjust it forward 3cm which gets me pretty close to the freestyle [dead center] position so I can play around with switch a little.

I skied my BT at Deer Valley [tough snow conditions after a storm- I preferred my Stockli Stormrider XL in 184 in these condition- the snow was hard and icey and the tracked up powder was hard and crusty due to cold temps and high winds] and at Solitude during a storm [again I had a blast, just like my demo at Snowbird].

For a soft snow ski, the BT, I think, works great. For hard snow conditions, I'm not using the BT- I want a carver or a midfat such as my XL's.

Finally, as the Bears say, demo, demo, demo. Good luck!!
post #12 of 12
jbuhl, do yourself a favor and try the 186....
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