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Poll Results: Best most popular ski gear: Descente, Spyder, North Face or other?!

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 7% of voters (6)
    Descente
  • 16% of voters (13)
    Spyder
  • 23% of voters (18)
    The North Face
  • 51% of voters (40)
    other, then state which one
77 Total Votes  
post #61 of 79
Thread Starter 
Cooper, well said also.. We do not need full blown, top notch, bullet proof gear to go climbing somewhere in the Artic on (The North Side of the mountain) where it is plain Siberian cold weather way below Zero. I think most people on this thread are comparing apples and oranges. About your comment on Arc'Teryx that seemed very stiff and movement inside of it was very restricted, that is how I felt in the $300 TNF shell in the local store when I tried it on. Compared to Descente jacket, which felt very soft, top notch fit and feel, the fabric of Descente and Spyder are just so soft and comfy, they are not made to climb the Artic, but should be fine for everyday 20-30 degree weather skiing, and that is what most of us need. Again, I have not tried Arc'Terix, Marmot, NTF top notch shells for $400-$500 to compare. You are correct, you do not need an SUV to go grocery shopping. There are a few Spyder and Descente jackets that are not to flashy and loud, but they are the $550 jackets and could only be used in cold weather and you would need another kind of shell or soft shell jacket for warmer spring weather, otherwise I would get one and be done with it, that is why I started to look into shell jackets to be used with fleece underneath or no fleece just base for warmer weather or get a soft shell jacket on a side also.
post #62 of 79
As far as personal experiences of TNF quality issues, I worked in an outdoor retail store for 6 years. I have seen zippers blown out on at least 5 of their fleeces, many jackets with stiching blown out, etc, etc. I haven't seen a similar number of non TNF gear come through the door, but that doesn't mean TNF gear is bad. My store just sold a lot of TNF gear. (remember I said it was very popular with young people?) I do think their durability is lesser than that of MH and other top brands, but I also think it is equal too or better than Columbia's titanium series. In the end, you just need to pick a jacket you like. The major companies don't make really bad jackets, they only make good ones and stellar ones. It all comes down to how much you want to spend and what works for you. My ski buddy uses a Carhartt jacket, he loves it and has yet to have a problem with it on the hill. (and yes he has tried and owns several nice high end shells) Find what works for you and go with it!
post #63 of 79
i picked up a Phenix jacket on a whim when i saw it on sale. it's been really great. warm, lightweight, wind and waterproof, and i like the colors. i didn't know too much about them before i got my jacket but i would recommend them.
post #64 of 79
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Originally Posted by cooper8168 View Post
On that note, I'm curious to hear what first-hand problems those who dismiss TNF as "rubbish" have had. I hear a lot of negative comments, but very little back-up that's based on personal experience. Not trying to call anyone out - I'm genuinely curious.
I guess you missed the bit where I said I wear it every day? Would you consider that to be adequate personal experience?

The zips have broken, the ones that haven't will not stay up. It is not waterproof. It is cold. The fabric has faded and scuffed badly. It does not look good. It has inadequate storage pockets. The fit does not seem to flatter any body shape. People who have worn it in spring tell me that it is hot and doesn't breathe well in warm weather, which is something to look forward to.

It is not good quality, and does not do any of its jobs acceptably.
post #65 of 79
Had a TNF daypack that was rendered useless after about a year of moderate use after 2 out of three zippers on it broke and one of the shoulder straps tore off (wasn't heavily laden by any means- an extra layer and some fishing tackle). TNF refused to warranty it saying that it had been abused. Had some TNF Gore-tex shell pants that split in the crotch after about 3 months of rigorous daily use. TNF replaced them, but it took them 2 months and by that time I already had my Arc'teryx pants which have about 18 months of use and are still going strong with about 120 days on them of hiking, bouldering, and skiing.

The only piece of TNF I've ever had luck with was a knit beanie.
post #66 of 79
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Originally Posted by ant View Post
I guess you missed the bit where I said I wear it every day? Would you consider that to be adequate personal experience?

The zips have broken, the ones that haven't will not stay up. It is not waterproof. It is cold. The fabric has faded and scuffed badly. It does not look good. It has inadequate storage pockets. The fit does not seem to flatter any body shape. People who have worn it in spring tell me that it is hot and doesn't breathe well in warm weather, which is something to look forward to.

It is not good quality, and does not do any of its jobs acceptably.

I thought it was a rhetorical statement.

I mean, why on God's green earth would you continue to wear something every day that causes such untold hardship? Work? "For the sakes of their labor, the threw their sabot into the machines..." I can't think of a more perfect time to engage in a little sabotage.

And this one really baffles me: "It does not look good. It has inadequate storage pockets. The fit does not seem to flatter any body shape." Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but why the heck did you get it in the first place? Seems to me these were all "problems" that could have been avoided prior to your (or your employer's, if that is the case) acquisition of this obviously nightmarish product.
post #67 of 79
I think alot of the hatred of TNF stems from its rising popularity among "poseurs" who never used the gear (or for its intended purposes) in the first place and are buying it because of the name. Most people who use "niche" brands tend to shun the mainstream's use of such products. It decreases the "individuality" and uniqueness of the brand. I mean I do get somewhat irritated at some (okay, MOST) of the people around campus wearing brand new TNF gear who probably couldn't find their way around the T in Boston, nevermind down a hiking or biking trail. I think that since TNF has caught onto the mainstream alot of "purists" tend to shun them as a result. I remember being in the TNF store in Boston a few weeks ago, and the store associate was trying to tell a customer to buy WindWall fleece because it's totally windproof. :

That being said, I still have my TNF backpack from high school, I've used their stuff for a bit, (i.e. my Mountain Light I got for an Xmas gift in the mid 90's.) and I've personally had good luck with it all. I just recently 2 years ago bought another Mountain Light w/ Gore-Tex XCR after using a Helly Hansen piece for a while. So far, with my TNF gear, I've had a pretty good experience with it so far, but I can't say it's better or worse than my other branded gear.

Obviously they do make some inferior products. For instance, I don't think anyone should be paying for a Denali fleece, or any TNF fleece for that matter. As of late, you're just paying for the name, since you can get the same polartec fabrics in just about any other cheaper brand.

All this TNF discussion made me forget about best gear brand, I pick Patagonia. They make truly great stuff, with environmentally friendly materials, which is perfect since most skiers are outdoor enthusiasts.
post #68 of 79
It really depends a lot on the line of the clothes, some of the high-end Sypder stuff is excellent while some of the low end stuff sucks, the same for Descente/DNA, Mountain Hardware and TNF ( I don't think TNf is a good as it used to be) . Arc' Teryx stuff is always incredible. Salomon, who owns Arc' makes fantastic stuff as well and not that popular for some reason. Some of the nicest fabrics and looks out there. Expensive but incredible is Kjus.
post #69 of 79
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the store associate was trying to tell a customer to buy WindStopper fleece because it's totally windproof. :
ummm, a WindStopper fleece is windproof.
post #70 of 79
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Originally Posted by Mr.Shortround View Post
ummm, a WindStopper fleece is windproof.

My bad, it was the WindWall stuff, TNF makes. Not Gore-WindStopper.
post #71 of 79
Helley Hansen and Burton...technically the Burton stuff is for snowboarding, but who cares, they have great stuff and a world of assorted styles and colors.
post #72 of 79

TNF and others...

I now use TNF gear for skiing and light technical outdoor activities. I'd used CB, Obermeyer, Spyder, Desente, EMS, Colombia, Marmot the list goes on and on. They all work to some extent. The set-up I use is the Mtn Light Parka with Denali Fleece and Nuptse Down zip in's and M Select Convertable pants, all in black. I have used them in weather from -10 with high winds to 60's and raining and have always been comfortable. The stiffness that some have mentioned here has gone away with use. I don't wear the gear to be fashionable, but to be protected from the elements and comfortable. It does this very well. Is it the best out there on the market? Probably not. But compaired to the similar priced offerings from other manufacturers, it seemed a good value, and has held up well in the three or so years I have used it.
post #73 of 79
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Originally Posted by cooper8168 View Post
I thought it was a rhetorical statement.

I mean, why on God's green earth would you continue to wear something every day that causes such untold hardship? Work? "For the sakes of their labor, the threw their sabot into the machines..." I can't think of a more perfect time to engage in a little sabotage.

And this one really baffles me: "It does not look good. It has inadequate storage pockets. The fit does not seem to flatter any body shape." Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but why the heck did you get it in the first place? Seems to me these were all "problems" that could have been avoided prior to your (or your employer's, if that is the case) acquisition of this obviously nightmarish product.
Oh boy, you have brain surgeons and rocket scientists quaking in their boots!

It's the uniform, and has been for some years. You live in the USA and think that the workers have any say in things that those above them decide?!

Outdoor clothing companies who supply uniforms should really, really think before quoting a price and supplying to the price. About how the people who have to wear their product every day will tell all and sundry to avoid that brand. I think TNF belongs in Walmart. I really do.

The only brand I've worn as a uniform that I will pay money for is Spyder. And that's because the resort didn't order uniforms; it bought x number of jackets, and had the logo sewed on afterwards.
post #74 of 79

Hey All,

 

I may be picking up some Descente snowboarding pants but know nothing about the brand. They seem good and legit, my biggest issue is all of the pants I've had before are only 10k waterproofing and I get completely soaked. When we were in Park City Feb 2016, I was soaking wet pants wise when it was that mix rain/snow crap. So trying to do some research and tried on a pair of women's Descente snowboarding pants (don't know the style) and they're $200 (a bit much but for something good I'll buy it). I tried on Marmot, they were way too small for a size 6 in women's and I forgot the other pair, but they were equally as tight when layering up (I always layer at least twice and then snowboard pants). So any thoughts on whether this is a good way to go for waterproofing? Is it like goretex? I was leaning more for goretex since my jacket is goretex and is from Volcom and kept me very dry (shell) but want something decent but not really feeling paying more than $200 right now... Single mom, trying to do fun stuff, son is getting into snowboarding/skiing (still debatable), etc. We're headed off to Jackson Hole in less than 2 weeks, so my time has been really cut short trying to find one more pair. 


Thanks for your thoughts and recomendations!

--L

post #75 of 79
I've had two ski school uniforms made by Descent and those were the best uniforms in nearly 50 years of teaching. My favorite "work coat"--like shoveling snow-- is a 14-year-old Descent shell.
post #76 of 79

My go to brand is definitely Arcteryx.  Overall their quality is very consistent and make both great winter and summer gear.

 

I still have my 20+ year old North Face Gore Tex mountain jacket.  They were made extremely well at the time.  I still buy some North Face gear from time to time, but mostly on sale as their often are pretty deep discount on North Face stuff.  I find I wear the North Face stuff casually and less often when I'm actually hitting the slopes.

 

I recently purchased my first piece of Canada Goose gear (Hybridge Lite Hoody).  Looking at their stuff in the shops I've been impressed with the design and build quality.  Will be interesting to see how the Hybridge Lite Hoody holds up.

post #77 of 79
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Originally Posted by KutterMax View Post
 

My go to brand is definitely Arcteryx.  Overall their quality is very consistent and make both great winter and summer gear.

 

I still have my 20+ year old North Face Gore Tex mountain jacket.  They were made extremely well at the time.  I still buy some North Face gear from time to time, but mostly on sale as their often are pretty deep discount on North Face stuff.  I find I wear the North Face stuff casually and less often when I'm actually hitting the slopes.

 

I recently purchased my first piece of Canada Goose gear (Hybridge Lite Hoody).  Looking at their stuff in the shops I've been impressed with the design and build quality.  Will be interesting to see how the Hybridge Lite Hoody holds up.

I like what Arcteryx has as well, it's just way out of my budget, lol. Most of the time that stuff I see (only looking for pants right now is $450+) and unless you're rich, not like me I don't have cash to drop on that. Plus we only ride for once a year for a week and then I will go out maybe 1-3 times if I'm lucky out here on the East Coast, which as we all know isn't the best conditions unless you like to ride in ice ;)

 

Love the sport, but darn it for being so expensive! ;)

 

--L

post #78 of 79
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Originally Posted by LunaDeathStryke View Post
 

I like what Arcteryx has as well, it's just way out of my budget, lol. Most of the time that stuff I see (only looking for pants right now is $450+) and unless you're rich, not like me I don't have cash to drop on that. Plus we only ride for once a year for a week and then I will go out maybe 1-3 times if I'm lucky out here on the East Coast, which as we all know isn't the best conditions unless you like to ride in ice ;)

 

Love the sport, but darn it for being so expensive! ;)

 

--L

Keep an eye open this summer for sales, both online and in store.  I've picked up a few really nice Arcteryx pieces in the off-season at some pretty hefty discounts.  

post #79 of 79
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Originally Posted by KutterMax View Post
 

Keep an eye open this summer for sales, both online and in store.  I've picked up a few really nice Arcteryx pieces in the off-season at some pretty hefty discounts.  

Yeah we did, but I also gained some weight over the last 2 months, lol. So packing on the fatty weight has been bad especially when I look back to Summer until now LOL! But hopefully next year I can grab some more goodies, we did that for my new set-up with Backcountry and ended up buying my bf a few new things.. bindings and boots that were a killer steal. I just didn't find anything online that I wanted and really hate buying those types of things (pants) online and then the hassle of returning and paying for the return so thankfully found a local shop that had the Descente in what I liked style wise and size wise.. :) TY for your comments and help as well @KutterMax

 

--L 

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