EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Expert Ski for Groomers in the West
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Expert Ski for Groomers in the West - Page 2

post #31 of 45
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the help everyone. I guess I'm going to wait and look around some more. I get caught up sometimes in these deals rather then finding the right ski.

The last 2 days skiing on my new B4s in the powder, made me not care so much about replacing my C11s so soon. I'll spend some time and look around.

To be honest, I'm kind of turned off on demoing skiis. I did this last weekend. I tried K2 Apache Recons, Crossfires and Rossi B2s. The Rossi B2s just felt so much better. I expected the crossfires to hold pretty well on hardpack but they were terrible. The Recons were aweful too. After looking at the edges, the shop didn't tune the skiis too well (if at all). It makes it hard to decide on skiis when the demos are crap.
post #32 of 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lostboy View Post
In the Fischer line there is the RX-9 17m at 170cm. It is a great ski in most western conditions short of deep powder. With a GS type sidecut and great edge hold it excels on groomers asa skier-crooss genre ski.


The Fischer RX-9 swept just about all the North American magazine awards when it first came out several seasons ago including "Ski of the Year" from one magazine. In that same magazine it won top honors in two categories, "All-Mountain Expert" and All-Mountain Criuser". It has a light, snappy energetic feel, is tons of fun and will not wear you out by the end of the day.
The AS was the top ski in the Expert Carving Category the last two years in Skiing Ragazine...
post #33 of 45
Volkl AC3, handles the groomers very well, loves speed, can handle some bumps, and boot top soft stuff.
post #34 of 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by mogulman1 View Post
I know.. Groomers in the west.... but I got Rossi B4s for powder.

I posted before a while ago when I was looking at the B4s. I'm 38, about 230 pounds and 5'8". big legs/thighs/calfs from 19 years skiing on the east coase and 16 years in Colorado, as well as extra weight that I need to get rid of. I can ski pretty much anything. I just get winded sooner then I'd like in moguls because of my current weight.
.
.
.

Anyone compare either of these for expert, 70-80% groomers, 20% moguls?

Any ideas on length for me? I'm not tall, but I have some good weight/power to push skiis.

Should I consider either of these... I'm not desperate for new skis, so I can wait until the end of the season or next season.
Quote:
Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
I think that StormDay skis the Allstars (or maybe five or six, I forget) on groomer days in the Sierra.
I'm about your height and weight. 5'9"/225lbs. 35 yrs skiing with EC background.

For hard snow/groomer days:
I have the original 6 stars in a 168cm. This year I replaced the 6 stars with a 174 Stockli Stormrider XL.

I have a couple days on the Stormriders now. I highly recommend taking a look at the Stormrider XL. 174 for short turns and moguls.

Main Reasons for Recommending the Stormrider:
  • Great edge hold. Vertical sidewall, race skis like construction, handmade
  • Very fun at high speed GS turns.
  • Also very good at short in fall line turns.
  • quick edge to edge (grain of salt my everyday ski as a 94mm waist)
  • You can use modern technique or old school straight ski technique and the skis are happy.
  • The 05/06 and 06/07 model has a softer tips that makes bumps easier and smooths out the crud.
  • 74mm waist a little wider than all-stars and some of the other skis mentioned. So on the day you thought was a groomer day, but your buddy takes you out to some cutup powder or surprise thick corn. Things will not get as squirrelly (This is the main reason I was looking to replace the 6 stars)
  • They come flat. No hostage binding. I put the Tyrolia FF17 on my. It is a nice setup.
Stocklis are great, but are usually $$.

The Stormriders have been discussed in a couple threads.

This is the thread from when I was making my mind up between the Stormrider XL and AC4.
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...ght=Stormrider


If you search do a title search on "Stormrider", Noolder (i think) has the word stormrider in every post of his.


If you go with a ski that as an integrated Marker binding, I highly recommend you get a 14-din one. We are of similar weight and i have had a much better experience with the 14-din markers than the 12-din (i own several pairs of both) 14-din ones feel more responsive to me and it is my understanding that the toe is different.

good luck and have fun.
post #35 of 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by ski=free View Post
This is gonna sound funny but either Allstar or Mantra!
Both actually carve really well. Allstar far more versital. If you're skiing eastcoast ice stay Allstar but west the mantra is a great everyday ski.
The Mantra is not a bad call either. I skied the 184 Mantra last year as my everyday ski. Assuming your are not dealing with ice in CO, the Mantras are very fun on the groomers. I was able to do short turns with them, but not as short or quick as I can w/ the 168 6 stars.

Mantra was slightly stiffened this year, which would make it even better on the groomers.

But, the Mantra would also be a replacement for the B4's. That might not be the best quiver decision to get another everyday ski vs getting a specialist.
post #36 of 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by mogulman1 View Post
I expected the crossfires to hold pretty well on hardpack but they were terrible. The Recons were aweful too. After looking at the edges, the shop didn't tune the skiis too well (if at all). It makes it hard to decide on skiis when the demos are crap.
It sounds like a bad tune to me too. The K2s should have been decent on hardpack.
post #37 of 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by StormDay View Post
I have a couple days on the Stormriders now. I highly recommend taking a look at the Stormrider XL. 174 for short turns and moguls.

Main Reasons for Recommending the Stormrider:
  • Great edge hold. Vertical sidewall, race skis like construction, handmade
  • Very fun at high speed GS turns.
  • Also very good at short in fall line turns.
  • quick edge to edge (grain of salt my everyday ski as a 94mm waist)
  • You can use modern technique or old school straight ski technique and the skis are happy.
  • The 05/06 and 06/07 model has a softer tips that makes bumps easier and smooths out the crud.
  • 74mm waist a little wider than all-stars and some of the other skis mentioned. So on the day you thought was a groomer day, but your buddy takes you out to some cutup powder or surprise thick corn. Things will not get as squirrelly (This is the main reason I was looking to replace the 6 stars)
  • They come flat. No hostage binding. I put the Tyrolia FF17 on my. It is a nice setup.
Stocklis are great, but are usually $$.
I'm glad to read your review WRT Stocklis and bumps. I always had the impression that they would be too stiff. I am going to demo this year with an eye to buying in the next couple of years. (I already have a pair of turntable bindings waiting to be mounted)
post #38 of 45
I wouldn't want anything under 72 in the waist. there are too many times when the groomers get chopped up and I want a wider ski to go through that crud.
post #39 of 45
Re Stocklis, Evogear Outlet is clearing out the 2006 GS with Marker 12-DIN demos for $400ish. 166, 171, 176, 182.
post #40 of 45
You seem to be a rossi guy. I'm a volkl guy. I have demoed the B2 and felt very at home on it. The AC3 may be another ski to look at. I demoed it in my normal lenght 170cm and didn't like it compared to my old volkl AX3 and AC4's both 170cm. I wonder if I should have demoed the AC3 shorter.

I think it's a no brainer for you now. Get yourself a pair of B2's and be happy. Next year think about a pair of B Squards. They were a fun ski even here in the east last March 10th on the demo day.
post #41 of 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by mogulman1 View Post
Thanks for all the help everyone. I guess I'm going to wait and look around some more. I get caught up sometimes in these deals rather then finding the right ski.

The last 2 days skiing on my new B4s in the powder, made me not care so much about replacing my C11s so soon. I'll spend some time and look around.

To be honest, I'm kind of turned off on demoing skis. I did this last weekend. I tried K2 Apache Recons, Crossfires and Rossi B2s. The Rossi B2s just felt so much better. I expected the crossfires to hold pretty well on hardpack but they were terrible. The Recons were aweful too. After looking at the edges, the shop didn't tune the skiis too well (if at all). It makes it hard to decide on skiis when the demos are crap.

I agree that the condition of the demo ski can make all the difference. Demoing has obvious advantages, but the tune of the ski can radically affect its performance and not all demo skis are prepped as they should be. Something to be mindful of.

It was a dangerous question that you asked because many of us have our favorite skis, which may prove not to be yours, myself included. On the good news side, their are few bad skis out there these days so its more a question of finding the most appropriate tool for your use.

I respectfully disagree with the notion that you need a 72mm waisted skis for groomers in the west even at the end of the day, at least not at any area I've skied in the west which include Colo, Utah, Tahoe, BC and the PNW. Most, though not all, dedicated frontside carvers have waists under under 70mm. Race skis are in the mid-60'smm or some even less. But, to each his own.

Anyway, check out all the mag reviews that cover frontside skis. Ski Canada, Ski Press as well as SKI and Skiing, and see what skis seem to score consistently well across all magazines. The equipment reviews are usually available online. Ski Canada (and maybe others) includes archives from previous seasons if you are thinking about last year's models. There are quite a few excellent reviews posted right here at Epic Ski. Check them out. dawgcatching, ssh , barrettcarve and others have posted some great reviews.

Good luck with whatever ski you choose, even if its not Fischer.
post #42 of 45
I will agree with the statement that there are a lot of good skis out there as Lostboy said. His post sum's it up pretty will.

I think it's what most of us have been thinking, just don't think to say it. That may be the reason most of us stick to one band or two, may be three...If you get one of the high skis with 70-76 waist you'll be happy. Enjoy the hunt, it's all part of the sport.
post #43 of 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lostboy View Post
...There are quite a few excellent reviews posted right here at Epic Ski. Check them out...barrettcarve and others have posted some great reviews...
Oops. I meant barrettscv.
post #44 of 45
Thread Starter 
Ok.. after my original post... the store I looked at had sold out of the Allstars.

I found some 05/06 175cm Volkl Allstars for $620 including piston bindings. I also found some 05/06 Volkl Superspeeds 175cm for $480 including piston bindings.

I was originally going to get the Superspeeds, as I think I can handle the stiffness. The think that I read about was how poor the Superspeeds were in moguls. Also, the turn radius on the Superspeeds was larger then the Allstars. I tend to make more medium/short turns.

So I ended up getting the Allstars, even though they were more expensive.

Now... I haven't gotten them mounted yet.... So I could change my mind for a few more days...

Did I get a really bad deal?

Are the Superspeeds worse or better then the allstars? They definitely were stiffer and cheaper.

Any last minute opinions?

Ok..and don't ask me to read the reviews.. I've read most of them after burning my retinas out on this web-site. Seems like everyone likes the Allstars, but haven't seen too much recently about the Superspeeds or comparison between them.
post #45 of 45

It's all about U

Well, personally if I was getting a ski for big western groomers, I would get a super-g, so the Superspeeds would come closer. However if YOU want to spend time in bumps and making small radius turns, the Allstars seems the better choice for what you want.

As to the extra 140 bucks, it's only about a buck or two each time you go skiing, worth it to have the right ski.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Gear Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Expert Ski for Groomers in the West