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Spoiler-"Friendly" course set Alta Badia GS

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For the Alta Badia GS, skiracing.com reports that Pallander's coach set the first run of the GS and that Miller's coach set the second run.

(Maybe not) coincidentally, Pallander won the first run by so much time that he still finished first for his combined two run time even though he got beaten by at least 18 guys on the second run. And Miller moved up from seventh in the first run to second overall, thanks to his strong second run. (Miller's coach, of course, is also Ligety's coach, and Ligety had the third fastest time in the second run, compared to 19th place in the first run.)

http://www.skiracing.com/index.php?o...432&Ite mid=2

Clearly, if you know your coach is going to set the course (and the athletes do know this in advance on the WC--the coaches take turns) you practice on exactly the kind of course set he will be setting. And, if you are the coach, you try to come up with the "ideal" course set for your top prospect. (That's a little easier for the Finnish coach--it's just for Palander. For the US coach, he has to set for Miller and Ligety.) Apropos of our discussion in the Ligety/Miller Hips Back Technique thread here earlier, it may be interesting to see the course set that the US coach would consider ideal for Ligety and Miller compared with the course set by Palander's coach, which obviously was quite anti-American (as it were: Miller, seventh; Ligety 19th; Lanning, DNF.)

You can see the runs of the top 3 finishers (and the two top Austrians at 4th and 6th) at:


I have to say, my eye isn't good enough to distinguish what's radically different about the two course sets.

BTW, what happened to Eric Schlopy? He isn't even listed as did not qualify, even though he's 16th in the GS points list.
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"Ausfall" video

By the way, if you've ever wondered what happens on a difficult WC slalom course if you get back (gate 10 fall) or lean in/boot out (gate 15 fall), one of the "Top-Videos Des Tages" (top video of the day) today on the sport1.at site is "Bode Miller (Ausfall)" from the slalom. It looks like the second fall, from leaning in, was because (due to the earlier fall) he just didn't have the speed for that radical inclination.


Just one of the 26 DNF/DQs from the first run, compared to only 28 qualifying competitors who legally completed. (And 4 more of them got knocked out on the second run.)

http://www.skiracing.com/index.php?o...438&Ite mid=2
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Other than setting a quasi hairpin in a GS, I've never been able to set a course that significantly favored one of my athletes. I suppose the WC guys see enough variety that they know what their athletes can and can't do. One of my coaches, who came from UNH said the word is that everyone sets slalom "traps" that trip up a big guy like Bode. Ted is not as big a guy so he can make them.
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My only real information on how your coach setting the course favors the WC athletes was from the (now somewhat dated) book on the US Ski Team in the A.J. Kitt era (before Tommy Moe won the Olympic gold) "Right on the Edge of Crazy".

It mentioned that the US coach and another coach were setting a WC course, and that the two teams (by agreement) trained together during the week prior to the race and practiced on substantially identical course sets to how their coaches actually set the hill. That suggested that it was more of a practice/training advantage than a specific course set created with specific athletes in mind.
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