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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
As an Eastern skier, I'm accustomed to to all sorts of indignities, both in person and on this board ("your mountains suck," "your snow is hard and icy," "given the choice, I'd rather go to a museum," etc.)

But this past weekend at Jackson Hole, I heard the pissing contest escalated to a new level, with many former Coloradans claiming they moved to JH to get away from "those boring, flat hills back home," while the shuttle driver to Grand Targhee came up with this gem: "Jackson Hole is a MOUNTAIN, Grand Targhee's more like a hill -- kinda like the stuff in Colorado." :

I guess it's all in your point of view, but I have to admit to a certain level of satisfaction watching another region of the ski world get sand kicked in its collective face.

For the record, Grand Targhee, although not having the hair-raising expert terrain of JH, is fantastic. I spent the entire day in the trees enjoying knee-deep powder from a storm that came six days earlier.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 05, 2002 04:50 AM: Message edited 1 time, by jamesdeluxe ]</font>
post #2 of 29
I also heard that Grand Targhee gets earlier and more consistent snow pack than Jackson.
post #3 of 29
The Rockies get better in contour as you go north. Cross the border into Canada some time!

The problem is that it also gets colder as you go north. Now you know why Colorado is Ski Country USA: southerners can deal with Colorado (flatter, more temperate). Wyo, MT, BC/Alberta are too "wintry."
post #4 of 29
Hey James,

I have to agree with you. I remember two incidents very well. One was in Aspen when a group from Georgia was trashing skiing in New England. These guys were basically at an intermediate level - skiing blues and groomed blacks. I did'nt say anything, but the reality is that for 90% of the country there is NO local skiing and Georgia is'nt known as being in the 10% that does. The other incident was in Colorado - riding up in the gondola with this 13 yr. old kid who was saying how the east sucked etc.... So I asked him if he had ever been out there and he said no.

If you can pick your days in the east - you can get in some really good days every winter. And even if your stuck with weekends the spring skiing is usually good and the challenge of staying upright on a 30 degree sheet of polished New England "frozen granular" is fun.

The funny thing is that in the west - if it has'nt snowed in a week or two and everything is bumped out - the locals are just sort of putzing around or looking to the backcountry and you'll see some guy absolutely ripping the bumps. You get on the lift with him and more often than not he says something like:

"How ya doin'. Wicked good bumps out heyah."

"Where are you from?"

"Back east."
post #5 of 29
This year I can finally say I have skied in the east. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Granted it was not a "Great showing" for Vermont and there were only a few runs but I did it this year. I am learning however that it's not the quality of the snow so much as the enjoyment of being out of doors sliding or gliding down the snow! The players will complain about the snow, the skiers will look for the best they can find and then enjoy it!
post #6 of 29
You should just be grateful that you live in a land where there are ski areas.

Now quit your bitchin and get back on the pistes.

post #7 of 29
Exactly my thoughts as I ploughed (no pun intended) my way through this lot!

You guys should try Caingorm on a dreich February Saturday: You queue for over an hour for a pissy little poma. You're dragged up on sheet ice, only to meet more sheet ice at the top.

It's about the same width and the only difference is that this time you go down it, not up. Your progress may at this point be heavily impeded by the hurricane force wind blowing icy particles into your face.

There are what seem like thousands of other people also trying to survive on this ribbon of boilerplate with bits of heather poking through.

You get to the bottom, queue for another hour and do it all again. Sometimes it rains, just to add the finishing touch.

You'll hear the odd whinge, but most folk are just happy to be doing what they love and have stored in their heads the dim memory of at least one magic day of Scottish ski-ing.

So quit whingeing you lot, and go play in your powder!
post #8 of 29
I grew up 30 minutes away Mt. Ashland ( )in Southern Oregon. 1,100 vertical feet, challenging terrain & snow that isn't Rocky Mountain quality but usually as good as they get at Tahoe. I used to get pissed at the locals that would snobbily brag they wouldn't ski there. Then I realized I don't want those jerks around when I skiing anyway so I started encouraging their attitude. It's their loss that they don't realize how lucky there were to have good skiing so close to where they lived.
post #9 of 29
Yep, be happy if you have decent skiing anywhere near you. Try living 2600 mi. away from snow! Now impulse trips from here. Anything white starts to look skiiable.
In defense of complaining tourists I will say it blows to spend 3000 dollars to get to a resort with poor snow. I'm so desperate I just search and ski but I'm sure others can't help but think "I shoulda gone to ________". ski doc
post #10 of 29
I live in Seattle but had the pleasure of living in Western Massachusetts in the Berkshires during the wonderful 2000-2001 ski season. I lived 4 miles from a tiny area called Butternut Basin and enjoyed skiing there almost everyday. Only 1000 vertical feet, the blacks are barely blues at JH or here in Washington, but nevertheless a real pleasure to ski on. They do fantastic grooming and the mountain has a few interesting contours that some of the runs follow. I had a chance to ski at Whiteface, Gore, Stratton, MRG and Tremblant while out East. I had a great time each place (Stratton was just OK, the others were great!). The narrow treelined trails following the contours of the mountains made for a very different ski experience than the white open bowls and steep narrow chutes of the West. I try to ski all terrain, all conditions and usually find pleasure in all ski experiences. While I'd almost always choose Alta or JH over an Eastern resort for a week ski vacation, I'm sure I'll make a few ski vacations back East over the years. The charm of a small, rural Vermont town sure beats a lot of western ski towns. Especially when traveling with friends who don't want to ski everyday and you need other diversions, a place like Lake Placid NY can be a lot of fun.
post #11 of 29
Scotski: Yeah, but you get those adorable reindeer!
post #12 of 29
I love this thread.

As an 18 year old, I skied 40+ days at Cascade Mountain in Wisconsin, I went to JH for Spring Break and never skied again in the Midwest. Too anticlimatic. I went to JH the next year for Spring Break too.

My brother-in-law is from Colorado and I always accuse him of skiing "hills that are as flat as a billiard table in Colorado." We now ski together in BC and have a blast but the Colorado vs BC is an ongoing argument. And lots of fun.........

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 05, 2002 12:29 PM: Message edited 1 time, by worldfishnski ]</font>
post #13 of 29

Skiing in this country started here, in the east. Our mountains were as high as the Rockies ....... we ski so hard here we just wore em down!

I like to SKI .... period. I have to ski at least three times a week or I am cranky. I will NOT ever waste a thin dime on a VACATION out west. My butt will never be caught in Aspen. Can I afford it? ..... yep no problem! The only time I will probably get out there is IF my son has a race or is at a race camp.... like Hood [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #14 of 29
I've got your mountain right here

Mount Baker, Washington - 10,778 foot ACTIVE Volcano. 111" of snow in the last 12 days.

Take that!!

Mt. Baker
post #15 of 29
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sugar Snack:
Take that!!


some day soon I would like to!
post #16 of 29
Butternut Basin rocks! I remember going into the lodge every Saterday and wading through a huge crowd of three foot tall people in Easter egg colored puffy outfits. The next generation of skiers...oh, and Suger Snack; nice lil' hill...
post #17 of 29

don't you mean 110" of wet cement in the last week? I mean, you did say Mt Baker, didn't you?

post #18 of 29
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gonzostrike:

don't you mean 110" of wet cement in the last week? I mean, you did say Mt Baker, didn't you?


Not wet this year - the quality (and quantity) of snow we've been receiving this year is epic. Come on out and see, I mean SKI for yourself.
post #19 of 29
I just like quiet places. Big resorts turn me off. One of the things on my wish list is to do a tour of the small PNW areas starting in Idaho.

My next "trip" will be to Cochran's in VT ... hardly makes it on the map. [img]smile.gif[/img]

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 05, 2002 02:47 PM: Message edited 1 time, by yuki ]</font>
post #20 of 29
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yuki:
I just like quiet places. Big resorts turn me off. One of the things on my wish list is to do a tour of the small PNW areas starting in Idaho.


Brundage, Anthony Lakes, Mt Spokane, Schweitzer; Lost Trail, Turner Mt (now sporting a real lift)Silver Mt( longest gondala for the shortest runs) 49 North (intermediate-r-us)SnoBowl... and then head up north to BC

post #21 of 29
Thread Starter 
As much as I enjoyed getting my ass kicked by Jackson Hole (and I was certainly a better skier at the end of my stay there), I'll side with Yuki... I prefer skiing at smaller, non-destination resorts.

I also have a Montana/Idaho trip penciled in for next year: Turner, Discovery, Maverick, Lost Trail, Schweitzer, Great Divide, Montana Snow Bowl, Brundage (and if I have time, Big Sky & Big Mountain!)... I wanna hit 'em all!
post #22 of 29

It ain't heavy, it's my powder!
post #23 of 29
Scotski: your Scootish skiing experience made me laugh.

Everyone: Why all the competitiveness? It is great that Mt Baker got all that snow, it is great that out east they are machines in bumps. It is great that our Scotty friends ski in conditions that would make many of us weep. That is what it is all about! The variety, the different challenges, the quirks and nuances of different experiences skiing at a club field in NZ with one 1200m rope tow that goes up a 45 degree pitch (where expensive leather gloves last exactly one morning), or skiing Aspen, where you are pampered, or going to Chile, or Russia, or Alaska, or Cairngorm, or Baker, or Vermont etc etc.

It is good that many contributors to this thread are celebrating the variety that makes our sport great.

Skiing is skiing is skiing - powder, ice, crud, slush, spring, gorilla snot, bumps, groomer, steeps, crust....who cares what it is or how much of it there long as you can ski it. If you can make a turn on it, then it rules in my book.
post #24 of 29
I have found a very funny phenomenon. As I get substantially better at skiing, the high verts and the tough steeps appeal less and less. Don't know why for sure, I can certainly ski tough terrain better than I could before. I don't know, maybe I needed the steeps and vert to prop up the image I had of my skiing. I find myself at present, enjoying this flat 200' vert we have here more and more and more. Enough so, that I am having little desire to travel too find more before this little overcrowded hill closes for the season.
I wanted to become a truely great skier so that I could handle the truely knarlly stuff with ease and once I find myself there, I find I have far less desire to do so. Funny thing, them greens have become desireable. Mind you, I wouldn't travel to ski greens but that brings us back to my present situation doesn't it.
post #25 of 29
Lisamarie: Tell you what - I'll do you a swap.

You keep the cute reindeer and I'll take the powder.

Deal? [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #26 of 29
Interesting forum.
By the way, Colorado is not just Aspen or Vail. There are quite a few smaller areas with plenty of character. Might I suggest Arapaho Basin, Loveland, Powderhorn, or Wolf Creek. A-Basin and Loveland have some badass steeps while Wolf Creek and Powderhorn get light,desert-dried powder.
post #27 of 29
Colorado produces a lot of really good intermediate skiers and snowboarders.
post #28 of 29
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ShiftyRider:
Colorado produces a lot of really good intermediate skiers and snowboarders.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wouldn't that statement apply to Utah, Alaska, Vermont, California, etc., etc? Since the majority of ALL skiers fall in the intermediate category, making that statement and attaching to Colorado makes no sense.

post #29 of 29
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scotski:
Lisamarie: Tell you what - I'll do you a swap.

New England girl, here. No powder, just ice!

You keep the cute reindeer and I'll take the powder.

Deal? [img]smile.gif[/img]
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