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We drove past Sugarbush and Killington on the way home from Stowe today. It was raining off and on.

This is the Super Bravo Express at Sugarbush. The snow seemed to be great Spring quality, but not much of it.......just a way up and then down. Most of the runs were not open. This was taken today at about 2 pm.



In this picture, where the snow stops by the blue fencing, the trail bends to the right. We couldn't tell where people were skiing! No other lifts were running.



This is the lift to the right of the Super Bravo Express. I don't recall the name, sorry. As you can see........no snow.



As we got near Killington, we got excited, but that vanished quickly as none of the trails we could see had snow on them top to bottom. See exhibit A. (Rams Head is on the far right.)




This is Exhibit A. I'm sure there were some trails open, but they weren't visible.



Everyone seemed to be crammed onto this trail near the Snowshed lodge. It was the only one we saw skiers on, but I'm sure there had to be something else open.

When we got home, we were astonished to see that our little hill is open tonight as the lights are on, and it seems we have more snow than most big resorts!

The East desperately needs a cold snap. If I were religious, I'd be on my knees.
post #2 of 29
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Originally Posted by Bonni View Post
...Everyone seemed to be crammed onto this trail near the Snowshed lodge...
OH......MY.......GOD!!!!

I have never seen so many people on a run at one time before. How the hell do you even think of skiing and making turns when you need eyes on all sides of your head? I've always wanted to ski in the East, but that picture is not helping.

Powdr
post #3 of 29
Very unusual to see pictures like that at this time of year, but man, those pictures were depressing. After looking at those, I'm glad I didn't make the drive up there this weekend.
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Powdr: I have never seen so many people on a run at one time before. How the hell do you even think of skiing and making turns when you need eyes on all sides of your head? I've always wanted to ski in the East, but that picture is not helping.

So far at my local hill that is how we ski. It takes nerves to ski with a hundered people around you because you never know when a bozo will plough into you and end your season on the spot.
post #5 of 29
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I have never seen so many people on a run at one time before. How the hell do you even think of skiing and making turns when you need eyes on all sides of your head? I've always wanted to ski in the East, but that picture is not helping.
This isn't uncommon near urban centers, especially in early season. I grew up skiing in the midwest, and was used to this kind of congestion--especially under the lights! We have the incredible blessing out here of not sharing the runs with quite so many people at once--except during the white ribbon of death days.

Bonni, thanks for sharing the pics! I sure hope you get snow soon... or find a way to come visit again!
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That is just insane. I feel sorry for you.
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by Powdr View Post
OH......MY.......GOD!!!!

I have never seen so many people on a run at one time before. How the hell do you even think of skiing and making turns when you need eyes on all sides of your head? I've always wanted to ski in the East, but that picture is not helping.

Powdr
it is early season at killington with very few trails open in mid-december. don't judge the east too harshly regarding crowding based on that picture. i don't even like having one person on the trail within 50 feet of me and it is possible at several great eastern mountains to have entire trails all to yourself even on a weekend. right now in the east, the density of skiers increases every week as we approach the "official" start of winter and the holiday season when most of the regular recreationalists come out of the wood work. with very limited terrain open at most mountains to handle the traffic, they tend to flock to the big corp resorts with the most snow making and most marketing.
post #8 of 29
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This is what makes the little hills better: same conditions, but no one is skiing them. Spread out, people!

When people in the instruction threads say things like 'round out your turns to slow down', 'avoid the slower, new skier by skiing very fast past them', 'look uphill before crossing the fall line' or even 'just a glance uphill'.....I have to wonder about the safety of it.

There are times when it's like this at other areas all year round. It's normal. Most people learning are doing it in this kind of environment. The rules are different when it's crowded. It's insane.
post #9 of 29
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it is early season at killington with very few trails open in mid-december. don't judge the east too harshly regarding crowding based on that picture. i don't even like having one person on the trail within 50 feet of me and it is possible at several great eastern mountains to have entire trails all to yourself even on a weekend. right now in the east, the density of skiers increases every week as we approach the "official" start of winter and the holiday season when most of the regular recreationalists come out of the wood work. with very limited terrain open at most mountains to handle the traffic, they tend to flock to the big corp resorts with the most snow making and most marketing.
Look, I grew up skiing at Big Bear in SoCal. I know crowds on white ribbons of death. Not even with LA's 13 million people nearby have I EVER seen something that bad.

Powdr
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I have never been a huge Kmart fan, but I do ski there on occasion. In fact, I skied there last weekend. Saturday was insanely crowded on the slopes for a couple of reasons. 1, Plenty of lifts open and just 30 out of 100something trails open 2, Everyone who is jonesing for skiing was out there... Oh and #3, Killington is always a zoo on weekends.

Powdr, Skiing in the east is not that crowded. You should try it sometime - but I would not suggest Killington.

Bonni, When we were there last weekend they had skiing top to bottom off the K1 gondola, Superstar quad, North Ridge triple and more with, for the most part, decent coverage and surprisingly good snow. Did you drive up to the main lodge fro Snowshed?. It looks like I can see people skiing a blue run frim the Superstar qaud in the background, upper right, of your shot of the masses on the green slopes of Snowshed.

Although, looking at the pics again - there was more snow on the ground last weekend. Curse this warm weather!
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...I know crowds on white ribbons of death...
Or so you thought...
post #12 of 29
It's like the snow equivalent of Waterworld--everyone fighting for the last bucket of soil!!! I hope it's anomaly, not destiny...
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by Powdr View Post
OH......MY.......GOD!!!!

I have never seen so many people on a run at one time before. How the hell do you even think of skiing and making turns when you need eyes on all sides of your head? I've always wanted to ski in the East, but that picture is not helping.
Powdr
Powdr....this scene has much more to do with the weather than it being in the east. This scene can happen anywhere. Even at JH. Check out Werner on Apres-Vous Mt if, due to weather maybe the upper mtn is closed, on a busy Saturday. I've been there, it happens. I saw it happen in the PNW a couple of years ago. Hope you come east when the snow is good, you'll have a great time.

Here's a pic from Mt Boreal in the Sierra's in late November.
post #14 of 29
If you click on Bonni's pics, the mountains look less steep, and snowshed looks a little less crowded. Still, I would like to be skiing at Killington or Sugarbush right now, they both have some good runs open. Better than the any run that my local hill could blow snow on.

Hey, Bonni, you have to admit Lord to North Slope is better than anything in Massachusetts. Where's the pictures from Stowe?
post #15 of 29
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Like the typical moron I tend to be, I left my camera at the Stoweflake on Friday! I assume others will post piccys.

Here's some of our little hill I took today when we went up for a couple of hours. Both lifts running, all trails but 5 open, and nice Spring corn conditions, BUT.........Nobody There! Captions are under the pictures.




The Blue chair (hey, there's only 2!), pretty pitiful, but not bad snow. Got my rock skis on, but there were no rocks.

This is skier_j looking over the new condos on the side of Drifter, the green trail. Note the position of the snowguns. When they make snow and the wind is blowing, guess what gets glazed? Yep, all the $400,000 condo windows, tee hee. This is about as dangerous as I've seen yet. The drop off on the other side of that wimpy fencing is incredibly steep near the top where I'm standing. Just what you want for people learning to ski!! Oh, and they're NOT ski in-ski out.



This is Bernie F. He's 80-something years old and legally blind. He was out with his wife (who teaches at Bousquet), whose pole you can see on the left. About 5 turns later, he fell and cranked his thumb back. "I think I broke my thumb!", he said. He got up and skied down to patrol. What a guy!!



Main street looking at Grand. No crowds, good snow. What ya waiting for?:



Looking up at the Face of Grand. Empty!


Top of Grand looking down. This is at 1 pm. They're going to close for the next 3 days till it gets colder. I love this kind of crowd!!!:

The thing that gets me is the nature of people. These conditions are way worse than what's out there at the end of March, yet the resorts will close in Spring because people stop skiing. If there's a way to get people to view ski season from being Nov-March and shuffle it to Dec-April, we can still open some in November and close em in May, and have a longer season. heh heh

I've seen areas close with snow on all trails.........but with no day tickets sold, and only season pass holders skiing, they'll shut 'er down. Argh.
post #16 of 29
i challenge mother nature to do her worst, i bet she cant even make it snow. shes weak and powerless and has lost the ability to close even a private school for the day. i smite her and laugh in her face to answer my reply. :::then asks nicely please snow:::
post #17 of 29
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Hope you come east when the snow is good, you'll have a great time.
Definitely going to ski back East. Going to visit these bad boys (Chic Chocs):

(love that guys' form!)
With a few stops at some of the NE classics (KMart, Stowe, Sugarbush). Oh and I'll skin up that big ol' Mt Washington too. Something about a place called Zuckermans' or something like that. I pretty sure you've heard of it, as even a Westy like me knows about it.:

Powdr
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Definitely going to ski back East. Going to visit these bad boys (Chic Chocs):

(love that guys' form!)
With a few stops at some of the NE classics (KMart, Stowe, Sugarbush). Oh and I'll skin up that big ol' Mt Washington too. Something about a place called Zuckermans' or something like that. I pretty sure you've heard of it, as even a Westy like me knows about it.:

Powdr
If you come to Bush and I'm not working maybe we can make some turns. Yea, Zuckermans is awesome.....
post #19 of 29
Nice pics and captions, Bonni, and I agree. Microwave skiing (ski early and get bored by the time it really gets good).
post #20 of 29
Bonni.....you are giving Bousquet skiers a bad name.....

SMACK!



Next time you're at Killington, try driving up to KBL and looking around a bit more. There's a ton of skiing at Killington right now, top to bottom off 5 lifts, and plenty of expert steeps. K-1 Gondi, Superstar, Snowdon Quad and Triple, and snowshed......plus the Canyon Quad and Glades Triple. Killington was massviely better than Stowe this weekend, I know because I skied both. Stowe had basicly 4 intermediate trails (two ways down) off the summit, while Killington had 40ish, with every type of terrain....including expert skiing like Downdraft and Cascade headwalls, Powerline, Lower East Fall, and Highline. You show a picture of lower ovation and superstar, and say, "oh, there's no snow".....yeah, that because they are some of the last trails to open......brilliant.


Snowshed always looks like that because it's 3500 feet long and low angle. The 200+ people on it look packed together because you're looking at them from the bottom. It's a learning area.....there's actually a ton of space up there.
post #21 of 29
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Fair enough, that's why I posted these. I have to wonder though........if there's all this Great Terrain at Killington, why is everyone jammed on such a little space?? If it's so great, why aren't they skiing those places?

So where are your pictures? You have to admit it's still very sad for this time of year, isn't it?

And how am I giving Bousquet skiers a bad name? Just because they aren't there? I would think anyone who loves skiing would be out anyway.
post #22 of 29
bonni - great pics..thanks for sharing! What did you think of the Bush's new base area? On that crowded slope pic no one seems to notice that only half the slope is open therefore making the open side more crowded.
post #23 of 29
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I've never skied the Bush, so I can't compare it to what it used to be like. Although, everything is Right There. That makes is very nice. It reminds me a lot of Deer Valley's base area, actually.

So many hills, so little time!
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Originally Posted by Bonni View Post
Fair enough, that's why I posted these. I have to wonder though........if there's all this Great Terrain at Killington, why is everyone jammed on such a little space?? If it's so great, why aren't they skiing those places?

So where are your pictures? You have to admit it's still very sad for this time of year, isn't it?

And how am I giving Bousquet skiers a bad name? Just because they aren't there? I would think anyone who loves skiing would be out anyway.
Oh, I take pictures.....I'm just not going to tell you where I post them, and under what name....

All I can tell you is that you didn't look very hard.....it's pretty hard to see individual people skiing downdraft headwall from snowshed, 2+ miles away.....
post #25 of 29
Bonni,
There was a huge PSIA event at Killington all week. Probably 500-600 hundred of us.There was a variety of terrain open.The skiing was actually quite good.

Terry
post #26 of 29
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Fair enough, that's why I posted these. I have to wonder though........if there's all this Great Terrain at Killington, why is everyone jammed on such a little space?? If it's so great, why aren't they skiing those places?

So where are your pictures? You have to admit it's still very sad for this time of year, isn't it?

And how am I giving Bousquet skiers a bad name? Just because they aren't there? I would think anyone who loves skiing would be out anyway.
Bonni,
I have to agree with HS. That is K-Mart's bunny hill, and those are all pure beginners on that slope that are moving 2 miles an hour. It's not even 1 percent of the terrain serving all the beginners. If you would've gone up the hill, you would have seen a lot more terrain open, and although it wouldn't be as empty as most area's out west, they would have been cosiderably emptier.
reminds me of a time when I got to K-mart one late afternoon and parked at Snowshed. I took that very lift to get to the main areaand on the chair listened to a guy complain of a lack of terrain at Killington. After I shook off my shock and asked him where he's skied, he mentioned all the trails off snowshed's 2 lifts. I then pointed to the 2 surrounding peaks, and told him of the lifts serving them, and also the 3 peaks he couldn't see that were lift-serve. It was his shocked look that was priceless.
Then there was the powder day, Thanksgiving Friday, a few years ago, when we were skiing non-stop with no lift line all day on the upper mountain. about 2 pm, I decided to check out another part of the area and ran into a 1 hour lift line at 1 of their base lifts and later found out there were 30 thousand people at Killington that day (literally, I got it from someone I knew in their marketing dept.). there couldn't have been more than 200 people skiing the canyon chair all day that day.
post #27 of 29
Less crowded for everyone that pulls up, takes some pictures to justify not skiing, and drives off. Crappy conditions (= spring snow on terrain for all abilities) means uncrowded fun skiing, snowshed notwithstanding. Kind of like Bosquet after you actually got on the lift and skied it. How miserable did it look to those that drove up, snapped some photos and drove off?
post #28 of 29
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The thing that gets me is the nature of people. These conditions are way worse than what's out there at the end of March, yet the resorts will close in Spring because people stop skiing. If there's a way to get people to view ski season from being Nov-March and shuffle it to Dec-April, we can still open some in November and close em in May, and have a longer season. heh heh

I've seen areas close with snow on all trails.........but with no day tickets sold, and only season pass holders skiing, they'll shut 'er down. Argh. ________________
I have to echo this. A few years back we had an absolutely record breaking March - snowfall was amazing (probably about 5 years ago? G warming counterpoint . Anyway, I skied places I hadn't in a long time - Magic many times etc, last time I was at Bromley in April. Noone was there , but there was a TON of base, great spring skiing, snow just piled up - restaurants in Londonderry had the windows shovelled out.

But it was April and this ain't Squaw. People tune it out - once Easter comes that's it - maddening. Someday they'll figure it out and get some more promotion on this stuff so people keep coming up.
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by Powdr View Post
OH......MY.......GOD!!!!

I have never seen so many people on a run at one time before. How the hell do you even think of skiing and making turns when you need eyes on all sides of your head? I've always wanted to ski in the East, but that picture is not helping.

Powdr
Not crowded at all compared to weekends when I first started skiing at Vernon Valley, now Mountain Creek, in the mid 70s. Add to that the fact that most of the trail was ice which caused people to wipe out all over the trail (can you say domino effect). You had to have good visibility to find one of the few patches of non-ice to make a turn. The 45 minute lift lines were the norm.
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