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Is it time for new boots?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Was wondering people's thoughts on my currect dilemna.. I am skiing a pair of ~9 year old Salomon x-scream 7.0. I don't think its considered an expert boot but the fit is excellent after many years of adjustment and orthotics at surefoot. By the end of the day, i don't even want to take them off for apre ski. Perfermance seems good, especially since I replaced the wimpy factory strap with a booster strap last season.

About me:5' 10", 175 lb expert I tend to ski fast in varied terrain on relatively stiff mid-80mmskis, like the blizzard 8.2, and the outlaw. Also, was skiing a monster 88 for awhile. I rarely bottom out the flex of the boot and am generally happy with their performance. I just wonder if I am missing out on some precision of a stiffer/ more modern boot.

The questions are:

1. Do you think stiffer skis demand stiffer boots?
2. Are they too old and worn?
3. Has technology improved that much?
4. Is it worth going through the pain of new boots when everything seems ok?

Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
post #2 of 14
This is my old boot story.......
I was in the same Lange boots for like 12 to 15 years. They broke in real hard but were a fantastic boot for all those years. Then a powder day happened at Sugarloaf and me and all my ski buddies skied the powder all day. About noon time I felt the ball of my foot begin to act up, but I wasn't going to wimp out on my buddies. I skied and skied. Well, the ball of foot was screwed for about a year and half. I couldn't ski the next season. The boot was just packed out and (cement like). So, because I was afraid to break in a new pair of boots I wore my old boots too long and screwed my foot up.
When I decided my foot could go into a boot again, I bought a pair of Salomon X-Wave 8's. My first day in these boots felt great!! I didn't need to unbuckle them all day!! Literally no break in period, right out of the box!!
This is the lesson I learned ...... don't wait to long to replace your boot. Take your time finding the boot that is right for you and then buy it.
Don't hurt yourself by wearing boots for years on end.
This my advice to you.
post #3 of 14
Originally Posted by smileguy1 View Post
The questions are:

1. Do you think stiffer skis demand stiffer boots?
2. Are they too old and worn?
3. Has technology improved that much?
4. Is it worth going through the pain of new boots when everything seems ok?

Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
1. No you can ski them fine with bedroom slippers, but you can get a lot more from stiffer skis with stiffer boots. Stiff boots have been available for quite a few decades now. Newer does not mean stiffer, nor does it mean softer.

2. Without seeing them, it's hard to say if they are worn out or not. For you it's hard to say too. You don't realize how worn out your car is until you test drive a new one. It kind of creeps up on you. How many days do you have in those old boots?

3. I don't believe improvements in performance are worth changing boots. The best boots available two decades ago will work just fine today, imho.

4. Probably not if "everything" really is fine.
post #4 of 14
try some new boots on and see what you think to the fit.

trying boots is free....

sounds like all is fine, but you dont really have much to compare your current boots too..
post #5 of 14
Like I said earlier.
Don't wait too long.
post #6 of 14
Just as "newer" doesn't mean "stiffer," "stiffer" does not mean "higher performance." Much of a boot's performance comes from its fit, i.e. a soft boot that fits will be much more responsive than a stiff boot that doesn't. How many days are on the boots? if you're skiing 50 days/year in the boots for almost a decade now, I'm sure the liner is nearly shot. On the other hand, if you're skiing 10 days/year, they're most likely still totally fine. If this one fits, and isn't skied to hell, don't get a new one just looking for a performance upgrade.
post #7 of 14

sugaree...can you explain why a packed out liner

would injure the ball of your foot for 1 1/2 years?
post #8 of 14
duke.....All I can say is the boot felt like cement to me that day and I developed an injury that kept me out of ski boots for a year and a half. I am just saying that an old boot caused me problems. I'm not an engineer or scientist or an M.D..
All I'm saying is those boots were D-U-N.......DONE!!!
They are hanging out in my garage. I can ship them to you and you can examine them to give me your opinion of what condition the liner, sole, shell....whatever, is in. I damaged my foot in those boots. I skied an average of 10 times a year in them for 12-15 years. I thought the OP deserved to hear this story to (possibly) avoid an injury to his foot due to a worn out boot.
Am I the first to to experience this??
Maybe so. I am different than most.
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input. In the last 5 years they have 25 days/yr of western skiing and probably only 7 days/yr before that. so approx 150 days.

i did get to the store on friday to try on some new solamons x-wave's and some falcons. the x-wave 8.0 felt very similar to my x-scream 7 except a little roomier. I think it had a wider last. then i tried on the falcons which were much narrower and firmer.

I concluded that my boots are not too worn or packed out, the fit is good but not super close like racier boots. I actually like the fit as a good compromise between performance and comfort.

My only concern is if I should be in a stiffer boot for my stiffer skis (outlaw 181s) and if I've outgrown the boot and should move to a higher performance boot. I wish I could demo boots to experience if something stiffer would help my skiing at all.

Of course the debate is really if stiffness to flexion is very important or is a laterally stiff boot is all one needs. Obviously flexon lovers will argue for lateral stiffness being king.

anyn thoughts
post #10 of 14
drill the shells, and add a tnut on each side to stiffen the boot up (like the wave or falcon 10's have) and see if you like a stiffer boot. if not, just remove the screws
post #11 of 14
I'm kinda in the same boat here. My Lange's are about 9-10 years old, but I love them. Never had any problems. I would guess theres about 60-70 days on them.

I just picked up a pair of Volkl Allstars (what a ski!!) and am now considering getting a new pair of boots this season, or right after the season.

I think I'll always go with Lange's.
post #12 of 14
I just bought new boots SOLELY because I was afraid of the plastic in the boots being fatigued after 390 days of skiing spread over 8 seasons. I've known of two people whose boots had total failure in the middle of a ski day. One broke laterally across the instep of the boot, totally in half. The other broke around the ankle. The latter occurrence resulted in a dislocated shoulder as the skier went face first and straight-armed his fall.

I was told they were packed out anyway but I'd been "re-packing" them for years with added insoles and frankly they were REALLY snug on me (in addition to being well-insulated!).

I decided, though, that at this point I was pressing my luck and should start looking for boots BEFORE it was an emergency OR before I became an emergency.

I've got some new ones and I am going through the new boot break in period, but I officially have my two pairs of skis both converted over to the new boots (full size smaller than the last pair), so I got to do this on my terms and not under the gun. I'm not tossing those old boots yet, of course, but I probably will by the end of this season.
post #13 of 14
I bought new boots this year as well. My old one have about 10 season's and tons of ski days on them. I was more worried about the safety issue about them being so old.

I spent a total of 3 hours trying on new boots, finally picking a set, then going through with the boot fitter. All we've done so far is add some Surefoot's and heat molding with the liners. He told me to go ski a day or two and then come back before we do anymore work on them. We already know that he might have to punch one side tho (I have a screw in my foot and it would be right where the screw head is).

Both the sales person and the boot fitter made the experience very enjoyable. Mad props to Bruce (saleman) and Arty (bootfitter) here in Helena.
post #14 of 14
sibhusky.......excellent post.!!
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