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post #1 of 65
Thread Starter 
I'm sure everyone has a variation of this story...

A month ago, while heading up to Whiteface on a deserted I-87 near Schroon Lake, NY (in the Adirondacks), I was pulled over by a state trooper and given a ticket for speeding, 81 mph in a 65.

So I sent the ticket in, and since Schroon Lake is four hours north of where I live, I checked the "guilty" box, included an explanation, and waited for the verdict.

Last week, I received a letter from Schroon Lake... with a $185 fine! I understand that speeding fines make up a large percentage of a small county's income, but $185 for going 16 miles over the speed limit? Do towns have total freedom to set fines in their jurisdiction, no matter how ridiculous?

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 19, 2002 05:13 AM: Message edited 1 time, by jamesdeluxe ]</font>
post #2 of 65
I've erased what written here, it was pertaining to the thread about the Australian skater...as Fox points out...
Ta Fox!
Anyway, about speeding ticket, when living in France, there was such an uproar (a couple of accidents too many and/or kids being killed by road-pirates) that they
established the felony of "grande-vitesse"
(very high speed)
that is to say 45 km/h over the limit and it was straight to the jail (for for the perp.
In Italy they just take your driving license away, if they catch you, that is.
With your 26 Km/h over the limit, you're n for an approx as heavy fine as you got.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 19, 2002 06:45 AM: Message edited 2 times, by M@tteo ]</font>
post #3 of 65
Me thinks you have posted in the wrong place. Either that, or stop smoking whatever it is you're on, and explain the link!

post #4 of 65
Eh eh, I'm slightly confused, today.
Right on Fox, not only I mistakenly posted, but also I mistakenly edited!
P.S. I do not need to smoke...
Milan smog is even better!
post #5 of 65
James, next time call for help before you plead guilty. As someone destined to get a speeding ticket in NYS every three years, and having friends in law enforcement, I have learned there are cheaper ways to handle this. First, NEVER check the guilty box on a ticket. It's like donating $500 to a presidential candidate. You are guaranteed to get a huge fine since it says you did it.

NY Criminal Procedure Law permits you to request a written deposition from the arresting officer. From the date the local court receives your written request, the officer has 30 days to provide you with the written statement (this request will also postpone your court date). Most cops have pretty busy schedules and are not good at keeping up their paperwork, so there is a very good chance he or she will forget or be late with the deposition. If the new court date comes, and you still have no deposition long after the 30 days, go to court on the date and the judge must dismiss the charge with no fine. If you live far away, call that court's District attorney and see what you can work out, keeping in mind you are not guilty, and the DA will always try to settle such minor cases without court time. Worst case scenario you will have it reduced to a bad headlight and get a $75 fine.

Also, if you are pulled over by a cop in NY, never admit to anything. His job is to give you the ticket, not hear your case. Of course, asking for a break sometimes works...especially if he is a skier and sees your gear. By the way, local courts can and do charge exhorbitant fines. Keeps them in beef jerky.

Good luck.
post #6 of 65
In Oregon they play this trick called 'Safety Corridor' ie first drop the speed limit down and then double the fine...then set a radar car just past the sign. Just to see if anyone noticed. A variation on the theme is the 'slow for road construction'; ditto on 'double the fine' otherswise the same game because there is seldom any construction going on...just the signs and a cop.
post #7 of 65
I got one of them thar Neww Yoorrk tickets a few years ago. Actually, the wife was driving, and we had a radar/lazer detector, which went off, but she didn't know what it was. So we got busted for doing 74 in a 65, in a town 6 hours from home (and 2 hours from civilization (Akton, NY on I 88). Cost us $200. When we got pulled over, they must have been having a revenue raising party because there were 6 other cars getting written up at the same time.
post #8 of 65
In Wisconsin that ticket would have been quite a bit higher(minimum fine $116) Also in Oregon I believe.
post #9 of 65
A variation on this theme. Two years ago a group of us were participating in an early spring 100km organized bike ride. In the middle of no-where (nearest town 10 miles away) we came up to an intersection with four way stop sign. Visibility was totally unobstructed and easily a mile in all directions. All the singles put down a foot and proceeded. The one tandem in the group slowed to almost a stand still but did NOT put down a foot. The guy changing his flat on the other side of the intersection whipped out his ticket book (the jack was obviously a decoy) and wrote the tandem a ticket for $230. Unbelieveable. We took up a collection among the ten of us to make it a little more realistic...

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 19, 2002 01:03 PM: Message edited 1 time, by PowderJunkie ]</font>
post #10 of 65
I never really got to grips with understanding the Austrian motorway signs. Some road signs are only applicable when it's snowing or for trucks etc. I don't go above the speed limit (130 km/h) or go faster than the car in front. But some how I don't think that will explain why I was doing 111 km/h in a 60 km/h zone :

Anybody got any suggestions/excuses before my case comes up in March?

post #11 of 65
As a person who watches the ski reports and will drive 250 miles one-way to "day ski", my advice is to get yourselves the best radar detector you can. I drive 70.000 miles per year anywhere from 14 to 19 over the speed limit on highways. I get a ticket every 18 months but can't even count how many I've avoided with a good radar detector.
post #12 of 65
Radar Detector - Valentine One. Accept no substitutes.
Valentine One

Tickets - Go here for comprehensive information:
Ticket FAQ
post #13 of 65
I 2cd that - I always keep a good radar detector on the dash, it has paid for itself uncountable times.
post #14 of 65
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TJazz:
NY Criminal Procedure Law permits you to request a written deposition from the arresting officer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Short Story
They are also permitted to arraign you ask for bail at the arrainment and then have thirty days to get you a deposition.

Long Story

Construction zone in Marcy NY. West bound (where the road drops from two lanes to one and heads in to Marcy) speed limit drops from 55 to 45. East bound (where the road drops to one lane and chicanes across the center divider but leaves Marcy) the limit stays 55.

I plead not guilty take an afternoon off (2 months after the incident) and go to court. Judge has a private chamber (the public waits outside). He calls me in closes the door and reads the charges, 15 over in a construction zone (double fines) and asks how I plead. After pleading not guilty he asks for $100 bail (cash only no checks or credit card) if I wish to keep my license until the trail date. I pay the money ask for the deposition and get a trail date 3 months in the future.

Local DA presents the case asking the officer all the usual questions including vehicle discription, which he gets wrong. I cross examine and claim I don't own a pick-up truck.
The judge states that though he believes I'm guilty he has to let me go. He seems taken back when I ask for my $100 dollars. He then proceeds to write out a check drawn on an account in his name. Talk about small town injustice.
post #15 of 65
Although there are exceptions, it is generally not a good idea to get a supporting deposition.

It's basically only a good idea if you are absolutely certain you are not guilty, are hell bent on trying the case and can reasonably expect to win based on either the facts, the law or a lucky technicality.

Wishful thinking doesn't count.
post #16 of 65
Here's an original thought:
Why not just stick to the speed limit?

They are there for our safety.

(BTW I break them all the time, but I know it would be better if I didn't)

post #17 of 65
Ohio would be a lot higher than $185.00 for 16 mph over. If you are out of state, you pay the ticket on the spot. No credit card? Jail is fine. Caught without proof of insurance, you have 24 hours to produce it or no license/jail. Be stoned sober, no driving record, change the channel on the radio and have an accident where someone is killed. You will be charged with manslaughter even if they are a passenger in your car.
SLATZ I can believe that about Wisconsin, we use to call Madison "Little Moscow".
post #18 of 65
Last week I got pulled over and the trooper let me go with a warning.. I was going 80 in a 65 and I said, quite honestly, that "I was just trying to keep a decent interval between me and the car behind me". Cop laughed, said "that was me" and gave me a warning. New B.S. I guess. Drive safely, all.
post #19 of 65
JamesDeluxe and everyone else that drives or signs a contract.
If you had the service you would have had an attorney on your side negotiating on your behalf and going to court for you if needed. At no extra cost to you.
Check out www.prepaidlegal.com/info/lawson
This is an awesome service that is very low cost and very high quality.

Best Regards,
post #20 of 65
Here is what I based my purchase on:

My cheap rationalization for not sticking to the speed limits is that speed limits paint with too broad a brush. If I have a Porsche, the car is safer at higher speeds than a Toyota Corolla. Not to mention that driving skills vary. In other words, I may be safer at 80 MPH in my Dodge Ram with anti-lock brakes, dual wheels and 6 studded snows than a guy in two wheel drive Ford Aerostar mini-van going 55 MPH.

I drive the vehicle I do exactly because I drive as much as I do and at the rate of speed previously mentioned.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 20, 2002 09:00 AM: Message edited 1 time, by worldfishnski ]</font>
post #21 of 65
A number of years ago, a friend of mine, Ted, was headed down to Florida for spring break from college in New Jersey. On the way through Georgia, they were stopped for speeding - apparently through a small town (my friend was not driving).

The officer comes up and says "Boy, nobody goes through my town that fast."

The reply: "Well, General Sherman sure did."

He spent the night in jail. My friend and his buddies had to rent a room for the night and get him out of jail in the morning.


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 20, 2002 09:26 AM: Message edited 3 times, by raubin ]</font>
post #22 of 65
Speed itself is certainly no absolute indicator of safety. I got my 1st liscense in Germany where on many sections of the Autobahn there are no speed limits, yet accident rates are far lower there than on our own highways. However, they also have better road maintanence, higher vehicle inspection standards - and roads suited to those speeds.

And the main thing I think is that their driver education leaves ours in the dust. When I came back to the U.S. and got my first license here, the test was so easy I thought it must be a trick and that they were going to spring something else on me . . . nope, not a trick: the skills and knowledge required to get a license here are simply a joke! But I guess it helps keep insurance and legal companies in business here!

In any case, we all of course think that because of our vehicles/skills WE are safe to drive really fast, but the other folks probably are not! And I'm no exception, I use my German experience and thousands of days of driving the nastiest mountain pass in CO to work every day as my rationalization - but its not necessarily a better rationalization than anyone else has! Natural human arrogance I suppose!

At 32 yrs old I do still have a perfect driving record though. When I finally do get a ticket someday, I'm not going to be angry - just more like "what took you so long?" (No - I won't actually SAY that to them!)


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 20, 2002 09:39 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Todd M. ]</font>
post #23 of 65
[quote]Originally posted by worldfishnski:
[QB]Here is what I based my purchase on:

That site isn't objective.
The owner, craig peterson, has an agenda and the tests are rigged. Sorry.
post #24 of 65
Could you enlighten us on his agenda?If he has an agenda, why would they rate two virtually the same?

Don't be sorry, my Bel radar detector is absolutely awesome. I have owned 3 before this one of various brands and I none of the other ones come close.
post #25 of 65
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by worldfishnski:
Could you enlighten us on his agenda?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm too lazy.
Here's links:

Craig Peterson

The C&D tests have been the standard for radar detector tests for decades now.
Car & Driver Test
post #26 of 65
Ugghh. Thanks for the info.

It was relatively overt that Radartest didn't like the Valentine, but I tend to agree with him that I don't care how many signals the detector is getting and the real threat lies ahead. But it looks like those other two detectors are better than the one I have.
post #27 of 65
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Todd M.:

And the main thing I think is that their driver education leaves ours in the dust.

Agreed. The years we lived in Switzerland we came to really appreciate the drivers. My pet peeve on returning to the US is people who simply sit in the left lane on a four lane road. They would get run over on the Autobahn.

Regarding licensing, as we moved to Switzerland all we had to produce was a valid US license to get our Swiss license. If you wait longer than one year you have to go through the who training and testing course. If I remember correctly the price tag was about $2000.
post #28 of 65
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by worldfishnski:
...I tend to agree with him that I don't care how many signals the detector is getting and the real threat lies ahead...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once you have lived with the directional indicators and the bogey counter you can't imaging ever again not having it. Simply put, there are threats that ONLY the V1 will warn you about. Plus it's VG2 invisible, whic people in Canada and Virginia really like.
post #29 of 65
Does anyone know how to defeat the laser speed guns or cameras? I've heard from a cop that he nailed a guy with a laser scrambler so he doesn't think they work.
post #30 of 65
From: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rossb...m#anchor174580

Q: Do Laser Jammers work?

A: Some "active" Laser Jammers do work. The Blinder M-10 and Laser Echo have been proven to defeat Laser Guns in tests in the USA and around the word. These are devices that are built-in to the front of the car with a remote (interior) warning system.

The Laser Scramblers (passive) that sit on your dash are ineffective.
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