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post #31 of 36
BigE, its a good point, but i also see where RicB is coming from. The thread question was about how to self analyze stance without video equipment. Personally I think its difficult for most people to do this. And I actually feel that when most people start obsessing about how wide or narrow their stance is, that is exactly when it starts to be wrong more often than it is right.

There are a few exceptions, like when you force yourself a bit narrower than usual for the bumps or powder, for example.
post #32 of 36
Originally Posted by RicB View Post
BigE you miss understood what I was saying. What I am speaking of is entirely different than skiing with legs together. Maybe I didn't say it clearly. Independent leg action requires a functional tension in the hips to keep both skis working the same with respect to tipping and steering. A simple idea that is not always so simple to accomplish. Certainly you won't get to high edge angles skiing with a balloon between your legs, but you will feel both legs working independently but together while you maintain equal distance between them, keeping the balloon in place with some minor tension "between" the legs. It is more a tactile feeling than a big squeeze between the legs and restricts the independence between the legs to being functional, coordinated and integrated. Different than making each leg have the same tension.

It is just something to play with not the holy grail. People were posting about using external devices and I posted about what I see being one good external device to use.
Thanks for the clarification. I was being picky because it could be taken the wrong way by other folks that read this forum.

What I've personally found is that if I sense a "static"/stiff feeling in the legs or hips or a loss of the feeling of independent leg movement, my stance (among other things) is often wrong. (With me, it's too close)

There is a point verging on relaxation with an active core that works the best. If you find that point, you will just know that the legs are working in concert (but not in unison) to produce the turns you want.
post #33 of 36
The question was how to self analize without looking down! Not how to do it without video equipment. Although I must say that video would probably be a good idea for this student. Here's why...

...The phrasing of the question gives us the primary focus. IMO it is a question about how they would go about developing the kinesthetic awareness to self correct on the fly. They also give us a clue to how they learn (looking down). Which also implies that feeling and spatial awareness are not their strong suit. So developing those areas would need to happen before "self correcting on the fly" would be possible.
Video review along with some coaching tips (during the viewing) certainly make sense to me. Maybe a video station, or chairlift review could work. My choice would be the station only because we could control the terrain during a series of runs. Making comparative analysis much easier. Not to mention the hazard of dropping a camera from the lift when doing a chairlift review.
For exercises I would start with a sensory deprivaton drill (visual).
Followed by several tactile sensory drills that feature a strong focus on consciously keeping the legs seperated (either by appliance, or by simply holding the legs apart with the hands). Eventually leading to some open stance parallel turns (without anything holding the knees apart) as a way to integrate this new movement pattern into their skiing.
post #34 of 36
HeluvaSkier is on the right track.
Find a nice flat or very gentle area. Take your skiis off and walk a line in your boots. Go a hundred yards down the slope making one or two very gradual turns. now go back up and put your skiis on and ski over your footprints.

How'd that feel?
Too wide?
Too narrow?
Ahhh, just right.
post #35 of 36
Cross lateral actions (like walking) do not produce the same stance as bilateral actions (like skiing). Although a thousand step progression might be useful in this case.
Hopping would be a bilateral activity that would produce a stance closer to a skiing stance. In motion this would be a variation on the leaper drill. Hmm...
...hopping a couple time during a turn...
...it would work in a clinic...
...although I doubt I would do it during most normal lessons...
...it's too physically demanding for most students.
post #36 of 36
I second learn2turn's recommendation at #4 . I do a lot of shadow watching when I'm self-analysing my technique and I regularly recommend it to students. Depending on the run, shadow watching can be effective in the middle of the day. In fact it can be a bit better as there is less distortion in your shadow than in early morning or late afternoon.
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