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What about the Nord in you?

post #1 of 96
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After stumbling onto this forum a couple months ago, I've become addicted. (Is there a special wing at The Betty Ford clinic for Epic Ski Forum Members?). There seems to be a glaring gap though.

As a 'jack of all trades and master of none' my sliding and snowsports interests range from alpine, tele, skate skiing, XC, touring, rugged touring and backcountry. This forum includes snowboarding & backcountry among the major focus of alpine skiing. I can't believe there are not others on this forum who are also AC/DC.

I think nordic skiing complements alpine, BC skiing and snowboarding very well. Not only is it a great total body aerobic workout, but helps with leg strength, balance, edging and makes turning more natural. I'll bet if people combined more nordic activities with their skiing or boarding, they'll find you'll need to rely less and less on the gear versus your improving balance and skill....not to mention getting out and off the beaten path every once in awhile is good for the soul.
post #2 of 96
I'm with you, Alpinord. But I do think it's easier for people to do both if they live in a mountain town.

I'm equally fanatical about XC (skate & classic) as I am about alpine, but I've been doing alpine for 30 yrs, and only been doing XC seriously since I moved to Bozo. Now, I live a block away from a park with free XC trails groomed for skate and classic (I do buy the button to support). I rarely go a day in the winter without getting on skis of some kind.

AT is also fun around here. I still borrow a lot of gear (beacons, sshovels, etc.), but I like getting out.

But, you're right. It complements alpine skiing so well: balance, endurance, snow feel, and overall athleticism. I can't imagine just going back to alpine without XC now.
post #3 of 96
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Typically I ski out the back door during normal winters and set a track or just tour. Depending on conditions and time, often XC or skate skiing is the call and easier to at least be on or in snow more often, even if I have to drive for a while.

For those traveling, especially for extended trips, you can save some cost, do something different and smell the roses a little if you mix in some touring or skating (and ice skating, BTW).

I should have included in the initial post:

Is there a place for a Touring, XC & Skate skiing Forum within EpicSki?
post #4 of 96
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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
...Is there a place for a Touring, XC & Skate skiing Forum within EpicSki?
Absolutely, that would be awesome! Good idea! I've only XC skied a couple of times, but I would like to do it more often. I think I'm going to XC at Whitegrass in January. I'll post a TR if it happens.
post #5 of 96
While there are other places online for the XC community, a forum here at EpicSKi for alpine skiers who are also interested in XC skiing may be appropriate, for several reasons:

1) many destination ski areas also have nordic centers, or there are nordic facilities very near alpine ski resorts;

2) the health/fitness benefits of XC skiing are becoming more and more widely known (especially for skate skiing--alpine skiers seem to like skate skiing);

3) many alpine skiers who are interested in trying XC skiing bring an extensive knowledge set and ability range that is beyond the novice-oriented literature--maybe such a forum could help them get into XC quicker by "speaking their language";

4) there is a lot of overlap in terms of skiing technique, waxing, nutrition/fitness, etc.: often it is possible to improve in one kind of skiing by visiting the issue in the other kind;

5) North American XC skiing is starting to catch the attention of the alpine community, especially the Canadian women, and now maybe the U.S. men' s biathlon...maybe;

6) the 50K is the toughest event in the Olympics. period.

In short, if the forum were focused on the crossover skier (alpine to XC), Epic might be a good host.

Those interested in tele, AT/randonee, or BC skiing shoud visit the maggots at TGR.
post #6 of 96
i live in the poconos and because i take yearly trips(at least) to SLC I don't bother skiing the local hills. But I love my xc skiing! Normally, we have skiable snow about 1/2 of the winter, often into late March. Best reliable snow is 7 mile road between Gouldsboro and Tobyhanna,(after they close it to hunting).

Even though I don't ski much, went I put the fat boards on, I can hop right in down the hill, I think that is because I spend so many days on xc skis that my legs are ready to go. I'm a big believer that skiing those tracks is a huge help to downhill skiing with similar moves to as in the moguls. I love my XC skiing! Note: Even though I'll ski just about anything, i don't take chances on xc skis, they are NOT meant for going downhill, no heroics for me on xc skis.
post #7 of 96
Thread Starter 
But with a lightweight rugged touring rig or an AT binding on a rugged touring ski, you can find turns (tele or alpine) in all kinds of places without cheating death.

(oops......just one of the secret benefits. Rule #1: tell no one of your private stashes.)
post #8 of 96
The site adds content all the time based on demand Terry. Up to now, there hasn't been much call for ski touring discussions XC skiing is really under represented on the web, and there are very few sites that deal with it. We looked at this issue briefly last spring.

If enough interest exists, it wouldn't be hard to start a forum to deal with it. Stand up and be heard and it could happen. The questions in my mind are
Who is interested? (enough for synergy?)
What is the scope and purpose of the forum?

Another approach could be to change the title of the backcountry forum to include XC. Keep the ideas coming.
post #9 of 96
You should see what some kids can do on XC skis. I've seen kids build kickers, quarterpipes, etc., and sprint up to them on skate skis and do some stuff I would not have thought possible. Watching them do rails makes me cringe, though: I know what their skis cost, and they don't have edges. Although, Fischer now makes a "jib" ski. Maybe they'll save their race skis now.

As for going downhill on XC skis, I would think it's not so bad on touring skis with (partial) edges, but on your cold/stiff skate skis on refreeze....that gets sketchy, but what a rush!
post #10 of 96
Thread Starter 
Real benefits:

Kids is a whole other reason for getting into this area. Once my kid realized he can climb a little slope and repeatedly climb and fly down and hit a little kicker, he was hooked. His balance improved quickly and when we go alpine skiing, its easy for him. He's been touring since before he could walk (on my back) and on skis since he could walk. It shows in other sports like soccer. You can ski in your yard. in a park, along the road, on hiking trails, you name it, if there is 6 inches of snow or more.

Regarding skating or classic, you can not efficiently propel yourself without being on your feet, The repetition of skating or kicking and gliding, forces you to dial in your balance, feel your feet and appreciate glide versus not. Also, you can simply 'hike with skis' and enjoy that at whatever level and with friends, family or solo. Jumping on alpine or tele skis or snowboard is clearly more natural after spending time on XC or skate gear. If you like hiking or biking or ice skating they all complement each other well.

I think it needs a separation from BC threads, but there will definitely be overlaps and provide a progression to BC for some.
Thanks Cirquerider

Another fun one is frisbee golf on skis under a full moon. Baseball another.

Additional note: personally, I'd rather see EpicSki expanded a little to include Nordic skiing rather than spending more time in other forums. Picking up a quick tip or idea or interacting here or there within EpicSki would be way more convenient because in my view it's all about playing and sliding in or on snow and being outside.
post #11 of 96
I've done a bit of XC but would like to do more. I live on a lake and it gets snowcovered during the winter, which is great for it. So far, we're only about 1/4 inch thick, but hoping for cold and snowy soon!

Anyone know the deal about that place in Park City along the highway? It looks like a big track and they groom it. I think they call it the farm or something.
post #12 of 96
Cirquerider,

Yeah, there is no version of EpicSki in the XC world, but there a lot of XC clubs whose online forums have sort of become national in nature.

I, too, think a separate forum for XC would be beneficial here, especially for crossover alpine skiers. Initially, it might be a place for a lot of newb questions, but over time I'm sure it would grow.

Question: Is there a way to have a thread going in two forums at once? For example, a certain thread on XC might also be good under tuning or fitness. I know threads can be moved, but can they be double-/cross-posted?

Thanks, Cirquerider! Good idea, Alpinord!
post #13 of 96
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
I think I'm going to XC at Whitegrass in January. I'll post a TR if it happens.
Gimme a shout.
post #14 of 96
Thread Starter 
Is this better viewed as a 'Build It and They Will Come' situation? or ???
post #15 of 96
If built, they come...maybe.

Until then, check out http://www.xcskiforum.com/

It's brand new, but seems to be taking off.
post #16 of 96
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Thanks faber. I definitely need to improve my grip wax skills and this may be helpful in this regard. I've been lazy all these years with patterned bases and glide wax and little time to spend with highly variable conditions and changing wax. I bought and mounted up some classic skis to experiment with our grip waxes....just need 6 inches of snow. :
post #17 of 96

I'm in

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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
After stumbling onto this forum a couple months ago, I've become addicted. (Is there a special wing at The Betty Ford clinic for Epic Ski Forum Members?). There seems to be a glaring gap though.

As a 'jack of all trades and master of none' my sliding and snowsports interests range from alpine, tele, skate skiing, XC, touring, rugged touring and backcountry. This forum includes snowboarding & backcountry among the major focus of alpine skiing. I can't believe there are not others on this forum who are also AC/DC.

I think nordic skiing complements alpine, BC skiing and snowboarding very well. Not only is it a great total body aerobic workout, but helps with leg strength, balance, edging and makes turning more natural. I'll bet if people combined more nordic activities with their skiing or boarding, they'll find you'll need to rely less and less on the gear versus your improving balance and skill....not to mention getting out and off the beaten path every once in awhile is good for the soul.
Windy days, the trailhead for XC touring is out the back door and into the woods. Calm days, I go across the street and XC ski on the river, well..., except for this year. (We are still waiting for winter to arrive.)

We have no "set" trails. When it snows, you break trail.

I gave up on the local DH ski resorts in Ottawa years ago, due to excessive grooming. There is nothing to ski but bland flat terrain, unless you want to play at doing tricks in the terrain parks, and I don't. They won't let you ski in the trees, and they groom away all the bumps. Considering the price of lift tickets, I am not interested in paying to be bored. XC skiing is more interesting.

Now, I travel to do all my DH skiing. I don't get many days in, but it's quality time. This year it's Vail, Breckenridge, Beaver Creek, and Tremblant. Well actually, every year it's Tremblant and somewhere else.

oh chute
post #18 of 96
Thread Starter 
All right, the momentum is shifting.....

Today's 10k jaunt was anything but boring. After the first .5k of a boring slide downhill, the remaining 9.5k turned into a fight for survival.

Definitely helps keep the legs and stamina in operational order for alpine and tele skiing.
post #19 of 96
Thread Starter 

XC/Nordic Forum???

BUMP & PULSE CHECK

WHAT IS THE INTEREST LEVEL FOR A XC/NORDIC FORUM TO HELP MAKE YOU A WHOLE & HEALTHIER SKIER. :
post #20 of 96
Still support a forum for alpine/XC crossover skiers, if there's enough interest. Are you talking about one on this board, Alpinord?

I made it down to West Yellowstone last week. Snow seemed to come at the last minute for the big show. First time out on the skate skis--just rediscovered all those muscles you don't use in alpine skiing You see, there's "ski fit" and then there's "XC fit". Not quite apples and oranges, but more like cherry tomatoes and watermelons.

Cheers
post #21 of 96
Thread Starter 
Yes, a separate forum. And maybe try to collect older threads and archive them under a new one.

Lucky, you to go to Yellowstone. I heard it was nice. I only got 5" here (I was tempted), but up higher we got a foot on the passes and I'm planning to head up to get on snow and a workout.

Was out a couple weekends ago to help the local Nordic Club remove some huge groomer and ski trashing boulders and buff out the trail. One of the guys said, "if there's frost, I'm skating." : I believe him.
post #22 of 96

Let it happen

I'm true-blue nordy. So is Mrs. eNick and baby will be too soon. We skate, classic, tele ...no alpine gear in our locker. The Mrs. and I also teach tele at A-Basin.

So, I would love a free heel specific forum.

We're seeing a remarkable growth in interest for junior telemark activity ...by the tele parents here in Summit. Garmont has had a tele specific boot for junior for quite a while and Scarpa has one too.

Areas are getting more and more crowded. More and more people are getting the idea of a day in the back country as an equally satisfying option.

It's growing ...so should epic.
post #23 of 96
Thread Starter 
Hmmm. It would be ideal to make a distinction between XC Classic/Skating and Telemarking. Telemarking is about the turn and not necessarily backcountry only and crosses both alpine & nordic interests. Classic, Touring & Skate skiing are about self powered propulsion and not the turn.

A separate XC & Telemark forum? (Then there's touring & rugged touring.....and Forecountry.

FWIW, a ski for every condition, my 'Quiver'. Left to Right: Alpine, BC, Tele, Rugged Touring/Tele (patterned base), BC Touring (patterned base), Classic (grip wax base), Skate, AT Skate.....(I need some twin tip Skate skis now for the park . Which ski goes in which forum? :

post #24 of 96

XC Skate

Count me in! Just picked up some nordy gear - I live only yards from the 2nd largest trail system in the whole US of A - why not! http://www.mvsta.com/ (generally only been on the trails MTB'n a little in the spring and fall between water and snow ski seasons) Cross training is immensly benificial IMO! Also planning on dusting off the old hockey skates too - their is a new community ice rink being built just down the road. Back in my other life in the city ice skating was the way we got in pre - season shape. (Well, somewhat) Only been on XC gear a few times, (classic diagonal) at the time it reminded me too much of jogging which I got bored with years ago - but now I am thinkin' I wanna do some skatin' and build some lungs again for skinnin' up tall mountains and shreddin' BC gnar! Just got some Dukes and skins for the ol' Pocket Rockets too!

Now we just need a little more snow........ the final ingredient..........
post #25 of 96
4cznskier, congrats on the score. I'm a little envious that you are so close to Methow Valley, which is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!!

Here in Bozeman, we have a lot of groomed in-town skiing (skate & classic)--great for lunch hour workouts--and two great dedicated XC areas not far away (Bohart Ranch & Lone Mountain Ranch), and of course West Yellowstone/Rendezvous. Some days, I choose to go XC over alpine, just because.

If you find the nordic bug continues to bite, you won't regret getting into skating. Classic is great, don't get me wrong, but skating is...wow! Obviously, I love it. Skate skiing is the most intense aerobic activity you can do (if you want it to be intense) and the fastest a person can go under his own power on level ground. And, the waxing is easier

.....change in topic......

There still is no real strong XC forum on the web, and the biggest growth market in XC skiing is the fitness skier (crossovers from alpine or cyclists looking for a winter sport). Let's have that XC forum here at Epic! Mods?

Tele is tele. Some do it on piste (alpine); some do it BC; some do it for heavy touring. I think an Epic forum for XC would draw tele folks as appropriate, just as the alpine forums do. No need to segregate.

And touring should be a part of it, too. Many common technical and gear issues. And, besides, even those who get into XC for cross-training sooner or later get the itch to put on the woolies (pun intended) and head out into the woods like Ole & Lena did 100 yrs ago.

It could be a great forum, for everyone from would-be Birkie contenders to town park shufflers. For those of us who have no drop of Nordic blood and lack the klister gene, it would be a good place to commiserate
post #26 of 96
During a good winter I xc classic or skate at least three days per week (30 to 50 k). The Canmore Nordic Center (CCC) is 5 minutes from my home and there are many groomed trails. There are also many trails for touring within a short distance from Canmore. Mid day skiing is a great way to break up a day of work and night skiing or snowshoeing is a hoot, especially when there is a full moon. The CCC is often a good place to watch people with great technique (e.g. the Canadian National team or teams from other countries) and to be passed by super fast olympic level athletes. Last year I ran across three wolves, which was also fantastic to see.

I'd love to hear from other bears about xc skiing, snowshoeing, and xc touring, all of which are definately part of my life.
post #27 of 96
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Originally Posted by faber View Post
4cznskier, congrats on the score. I'm a little envious that you are so close to Methow Valley, which is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!!
Thanks Faber..... Definitely pretty cool around these parts but I guess the grass is always greener 'cuz I would trade this for a piece of Flathead country over by Big Mountain in a heartbeat! Although my acreage here would prob. only get me square footage there! At least I have a brother outside of Big Fork I can visit!

BTW - whats klister?......... JK - know what it is - just never used it!
(new skis are still virgins - still yet to be waxed and mounted)
post #28 of 96
I was just wondering today if we could ever get a forum here. A few of us started a Nordic club in Fernie last year and it grew to 220 members in the first year. The level of interest blew us away.

I have been involved in XC for years, racing, backcountry etc. Several close friends were national team members, and I went to the world cup finals as team staff one year.
I really feel it is all just sliding on snow, and am happy with any type of ski under me.

Just got back from my first XC ski of the year....let's carve out our space here!

Newf

ps Klister is basically nuclear waste. It contaminates everything it comes near.
post #29 of 96
I started off with xc for about 5 years and then started downhill. I suspect it got me about two lessons ahead (since I could already snowplow and balance was pretty good) of the rest of the newbies. It also meant I could already skate in the flat spots when I had to. I'd at least lurk on an xc forum here and who knows, I might actually use the rossi's I toss into my skibox when I'm heading out on a week's trip.
post #30 of 96
I currently have a pair of Fischer BC Crowns and have always x-country skied. It is good for the health.
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