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Arcteryx fraud???

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Does this jacket look like the real thing or is this a fake? http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q273/redskins38/
Thanks
post #2 of 17
Thread Starter 
Anyone?
post #3 of 17
um...100% real imo. What about this says fake to you? Just an fyi; the only really faked jackets are Spyder, and North Face. I would bet alot of money that the Chinese haven't started faking Arc'Teryx yet.
post #4 of 17
my buddy picked up a Mtn Hardware softshell in Asia super cheap and it seems to be a knockoff, he still likes it though.
post #5 of 17
it pretty much looks like mine so I imo its real!!
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
That makes me feel better. I got a good deal on this jacket last night on ebay. I was just a little worried it was fake because of what the price was. Thanks
post #7 of 17
FYO, the link below mentions fake Arc'Teryx jackets, so they are out there guys, and I'd be wary of any such clothing on E-bay.

http://cfcn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...erfeits_051226
post #8 of 17

Fake?

I have never seen an Arcteryx product with contrasting colors on zipper garages like the illustration above.

I would be suspect for that reason alone.
post #9 of 17
I did a search in Google on that style number and there was another item at one time on Ebay with the same style number, but it was listed as a PULLOVER: http://cgi.ebay.com/Arcteryx-Unisex-...cmdZVie wItem
post #10 of 17
I'd be suspicious of it. I'm not an expert on clothing but as a general rule Canadian products will usually have both english and french labels but not whatever asian script was also shown in the pictures.
post #11 of 17
Of course the official disclaimer belongs here....

ARC'TERYX can only guarantee the authenticity of ARC’TERYX products when purchased through an authorized dealer and/or distributor.

But looking at the pictures I would have to say that it is a fake. The Alpha SV would have bellows on the front pocket, and I can't see them there. The pictures are not of the best quality, so it is hard to be certain.

Redskins38 - I would say that the jacket that you are looking at is one of ours. If the pictures match the jacket, it is a real ARC'TERYX piece.

We do look through eBay regularly, and shut down any sales that are counterfeit. We don't shut down the user, but just end the sale of the item, there are only a few of us who do it, and there are pieces that we miss. Some like the one that Telski posted are hard to judge, and we have internal debates about the jacket. This one we think it is a fake but not 100% positive. We would have to see a better photo. But we have seen fake Alpha SV's with black zippers before. (We have one here at the moment) Counterfeit jackets are becoming more and more of an issue for us and we are trying to deal with them... but there are lots of issues.
A couple of things that I can tell you is that we do not sell any old stock to anyone who is not a dealer. If you can't find them listed on our website, they are not authorized to sell our product. The only place to buy seconds is out of our factory outlet that is in North Vancouver. We never sell these to stores, and there is no warranty on these items, and we can tell if the garment is a second or not.
I hope that helps a little.
Thank you to OldSchool for letting us know that this thread was here!

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post #12 of 17
Hi Telski,

Of course the official disclaimer belongs here....

ARC'TERYX can only guarantee the authenticity of ARC’TERYX products when purchased through an authorized dealer and/or distributor.

But looking at the pictures I would have to say that it is a fake. The Alpha SV would have bellows on the front pocket, and I can't see them there. The pictures are not of the best quality, so it is hard to be certain.
Redskins38 - I would say that the jacket that you are looking at is one of ours. If the pictures match the jacket, it is a real ARC'TERYX piece.

We do look through eBay regularly, and shut down any sales that are counterfeit. We don't shut down the user, but just end the sale of the item, there are only a few of us who do it, and there are pieces that we miss. Some like the one that Telski posted are hard to judge, and we have internal debates about the jacket. This one we think it is a fake but not 100% positive. We would have to see a better photo. But we have seen fake Alpha SV's with black zippers before. (We have one here at the moment) Counterfeit jackets are becoming more and more of an issue for us and we are trying to deal with them... but there are lots of issues.
A couple of things that I can tell you is that we do not sell any old stock to anyone who is not a dealer. If you can't find them listed on our website, they are not authorized to sell our product. The only place to buy seconds is out of our factory outlet that is in North Vancouver. We never sell these to stores, and there is no warranty on these items, and we can tell if the garment is a second or not.
I hope that helps a little.
Thank you to OldSchool for letting us know that this thread was here!

A
post #13 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thumper View Post
as a general rule Canadian products will usually have both english and french labels but not whatever asian script was also shown in the pictures.
maybe true for some brands, but I recently bought a Sidewinder SV from Arc'teryx's factory outlet store, and its tag is identical (minus size & dimensions) to the one in the photos

i know this is probably a moot point after arcteryx itself (himself?) said it was probably real, just thought i'd throw that out there though
post #14 of 17
I ended up buying a pair of Spyder ski pants on Ebay but haven't taken delivery as yet.
The pics look real and I asked the seller if they were a knockoff and he replied they we factory seconds. I can't wait to see what they are like when they show up.
For the price....who cares.
I am sure there are wide variances in quality of copies. Some are poor knockoffs and others are as close to authentic that happen to slip out the rear door or put together on an employees spare time in their living room at night.
I can't believe someone would go to that level of trouble to make that good a copy. The function is the most important.
Remember the retailer will go to any level to protect "authorized retailers"
The price they charge in store is ridiculous. If prices were more reasonable there would be less conterfeiting.
post #15 of 17
I think the real issue is that although the colors may be the same, the quality of the construction may be lower, and the materials may be different. In that one article, for instance, the manufacturer was saying that the knockoff wasn't windproof Polartec. That kind of thing can make a huge difference to you once you're wearing it. You just can't tell in a picture when you can't touch it, etc.
post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
Ill have to wait and see once ive gotten mine but ive had too arc'teryx guys says it s the real deal so im betting it is. I will be one angry person if its ot
post #17 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmitchell73 View Post
um... Just an fyi; the only really faked jackets are Spyder, and North Face. I would bet alot of money that the Chinese haven't started faking Arc'Teryx yet.
On the subject of Arc' Teryx being counterfeited in China, it has occured. From DVD's to ski wear the Chinese are very entrepreneurial when it come to quickly responding to western market trends that have profit potential. There are outright counterfeits and unauthorized but virtually authentic jackets and pants in many brands. In the latter case, workers carefully utilize materials and patterns to maximize available remnants from which they sew extra jackets that they then sell on the black market to supplement meager factory incomes. Are you getting the real thing in that instance? Nearly so with perhaps some creative substitution.

As for counterfeiting, it is a major problem and an increasingly thorny issue in trade talks between western countries and China because the latter country has not shown much interest in or ability to police the illicit activity despite promises to do so.

If someone is going to buy new high end merchandise they have to ask themselves whether the price is too good to be true. If it is, something may well be fishy. And why pay anything for the Arc' Teryx "fish" if you are really not getting what you think you want.

See for example: Chinese Arc'Teryx counterfeits:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...ub=CTVNewsAt11

Even mid-range Columbia Sportswear has had problems with their products being counterfeited in China See, for example:
http://www.skipressworld.com/us/en/d... l?cat=Finance
EOG_News_Winter_04-05.pd

For a brief discussion the problem generally see: www.europeanoutdoorgroup.com/information/ newsletters/EOG_News_Winter_04-05.pdf -
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