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post #1 of 59
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Have the other subscribers been enjoying this as much as me?

The coverage is certainly complete... sometimes complete with 45 minutes of course prep and racers stretching out. Honestly, 75 racers is more than I can handle in one sitting, but seeing the entire top 30 is great. The top 30 in these events are a lot more talented and interesting than OLN would have had me believe.

The live coverage is awesome. I don't have the discipline to ignore online results before I watch races so having it live is great!

The announcing seems rather superficial but it I enjoy it. Thankfully, the guy doesn't compare every run to Bode Miller and he doesn't just pull stuff out of his ass to hear himself talking every second. He doesn't really talk too much about lines or super technical stuff but I like figuring that out myself instead of being told. The background information he mentions on most of the skiers may get old if I have to hear the same thing every race this year but I'm enjoying it for now.

Unlike Chad and Steve from OLN he doesn't invent ridiculous superlatives for every single racer. Chad and Steve used the same tired phrases ad nauseum and they get pretty obnoxious.

You can't beat the price, convenience, and lack of commercials with a stick!

What are your thoughts?
post #2 of 59
And I didnt know that a forerunner meant something else in skiing till I watched the coverage.. They seem to have a lot of live audio feeds like in the start zone and on the track .. you could hear bode saying something "I know this sounds gay but.." and you could hear that guy crying out in pain and skiing down on one leg..
post #3 of 59
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Originally Posted by Barnstormer View Post
Have the other subscribers been enjoying this as much as me?

The coverage is certainly complete... sometimes complete with 45 minutes of course prep and racers stretching out. Honestly, 75 racers is more than I can handle in one sitting, but seeing the entire top 30 is great. The top 30 in these events are a lot more talented and interesting than OLN would have had me believe.

The live coverage is awesome. I don't have the discipline to ignore online results before I watch races so having it live is great!

The announcing seems rather superficial but it I enjoy it. Thankfully, the guy doesn't compare every run to Bode Miller and he doesn't just pull stuff out of his ass to hear himself talking every second. He doesn't really talk too much about lines or super technical stuff but I like figuring that out myself instead of being told. The background information he mentions on most of the skiers may get old if I have to hear the same thing every race this year but I'm enjoying it for now.

Unlike Chad and Steve from OLN he doesn't invent ridiculous superlatives for every single racer. Chad and Steve used the same tired phrases ad nauseum and they get pretty obnoxious.

You can't beat the price, convenience, and lack of commercials with a stick!

What are your thoughts?
I am in total agreement with you.
post #4 of 59
do you have to pay for all content, or just the on demand? in other words, if i watch it live is it free?
post #5 of 59
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Originally Posted by ghileman View Post
do you have to pay for all content, or just the on demand? in other words, if i watch it live is it free?
It is all or (mostly) nothing.

Access to the live coverage and access to all the archived footage from previous races requires the $4.95/month fee.

If you don't subscribe, all you get is select 1-run clips here and there.
post #6 of 59
You can also pay $50 for a one-year subscription to all WCSN sports coverage, which is cool if you also like track & field, track cycling, volleyball and other sports. It's a great service, no doubt.
post #7 of 59
Thanks for all the great comments about WCSN! We're doing our best to improve our coverage and put as many live events up on the site as possible. We appreciate your comments, and hope that you encourage all of your friends to sign up...!

Check out the rest of the Alpine Schedule at:
http://wcsn.com/schedule/index.jsp?s=34032&e=fis_sched

There are lots of great events coming up in the next few days, don't miss out!
post #8 of 59
mmowry

WCSN has great service and most people here like it a lot. I really have one gripe though: it is almost impossible to watch any recent on-demand video without seeing results first. I do not want to know who won before watch it. I normally use the schedule page to start on-demand runs but it is not always updated in timely manner, often there is a big delay between the time when on-demand run is available and link is provided on main page and link appears on schedule page. If I go to main page it is almost impossible not to see headlines about recent race. When I start run from schedule page also normally you have links to individual runs and results on right side of the window which are difficult to miss.
Another thing - we all really wish for better quality, it would be great.
There are also some browser compatibility issues. I have trouble on some OS/Browser configurations.

Other then those things WCSN service is great, keep it up.
post #9 of 59
Thanks, StevensMan...

Improved coverage and video quality are top priorities for us as well! The more viewers we get, the more we can deliver to our subscribers, so please spread the word...

We try to strike a balance between being a news source with results, and providing video coverage to our subscribers. Because of our arrangement with our partners, we have production restrictions and have to delay some broadcasts. Perhaps if you access the Alpine schedule page directly, you can avoid seeing the results??

Good luck -- and thanks again for your support!
post #10 of 59
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Originally Posted by mmowry View Post
Perhaps if you access the Alpine schedule page directly, you can avoid seeing the results??
Yes, that is what I'm doing normally. Nowever sometimes in the past on-deman run was not ready on Alpine schedule page (there were no link and I made sure I refreshed the page) and I could find a link on main page but could not avoid seeing that Bode won while searching for the link )
post #11 of 59
Having two different bandwidth (existing and a higher quality) feeds would be great. Hopefully enough people will join to pay for that.

Other than that, you guys rock. Big time.

Any thoughts on producing a highlights DVD for the 2006-2007 season?
post #12 of 59
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Originally Posted by StevensMan View Post
Yes, that is what I'm doing normally. Nowever sometimes in the past on-deman run was not ready on Alpine schedule page (there were no link and I made sure I refreshed the page) and I could find a link on main page but could not avoid seeing that Bode won while searching for the link )
I'll second his sentiment. I sat around for the better part of an afternoon frantically clicking refresh on the alpine schedule page only to find out hours later that the only link to the live feed was on the wcsn mainpage the entire time!

The beaver creek races that were actually live on wcsn were awesome! I'm not sure if I'd have the discipline to wake up at 3AM est to watch a race in europe live but it would be nice to have the option.

I have one mild complaint (believe me the plusses far outweight this one minus).

Steve Schlanger (sp?) is starting to wear on me a bit. While his announcing isn't obnoxious, he is a bit too heavy on the history of each racer at the expense of some obvious things happening on the slope. He will continue to read some statistic about a 4th place finish in 1992 when a skier does something crucial to his/her run.

In the beaver creek slalom, if I recall correctly, there was a gate set just coming over the top of this knoll at the bottom of the course. The few skiers who set up early and started their turn before they crested the hill made it no problem and did well. The skiers who were ever so slightly late, coming into the turn unprepared, flew over the hill, lost their edge pressure, and either skied out or scrubbed so much speed that they lost major time on the remaining flat section.

The announcer never even mentioned that turn as significant. There are a lot of other subtle things like that example that someone with a sharp eye for ski racing could point out every so often.

Regardless, the service is great and I'm pleased overall.
post #13 of 59
I think it would be great if you could get the WCSN feeds into a TIVO. The TIVO is connected to the internet anyway (or at least it can be -- mine is) -- looks like they are starting to offer some content gathered over the internet (originally was just for schedule instead of calling) -- WCSN should be talking to TIVO.

I'd love to get TV quality races that I'd (pay) to watch on my TV. I love that I can get the races but find less times I'd watch on my computer than I would on the TV.

But overall very glad someone is covering the races. Thank you.
post #14 of 59
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Originally Posted by Always Skiing View Post
I'd love to get TV quality races that I'd (pay) to watch on my TV. I love that I can get the races but find less times I'd watch on my computer than I would on the TV.
I agree. The little video window on my PC is a bummer.
post #15 of 59
Thread Starter 
if your computer is near your tv and you have the right kind of video card you can watch it on your tv. A lot of video cards have s-video output and most decent televisions have s-video input.

I have an old piece of crap computer in my living room that i record the races on then I watch them at my leisure on the tv.

On an unrelated note, WCSN changed announcers today. They now have Steve Porino (better known for OLN/VS.) and some other guy I've never heard of. The other guy pretty much just seems to spit out statistics and read off split times.
post #16 of 59
Peter Graves is the other guy, he does the anouncing at the Beaver Creek races and I believe Aspen.

It's been better in respect to pointing out key sections and where skiers are losing time, though there have been a few times where Porino and Graves has some dead air, each waiting for the other to speak. One of the things I noticed with Schlanger was a skier may be losing time down the course but was still slight ahead on the splits, he made it seems the that particular skier was skiing the couse better though time was being lost at each split.

If Steve Schlanger would cover more of the course with some technical aspects in addition with the history, he be a good announcer.
post #17 of 59
@MMOWRY:

Would you guys carry more FIS Skijumping events? I registered to your site coz I noticed you carried first two events from the 4-hill tournee and I enjoyed them very much, but was kinda dissapointed not to see the following two... and your schedule doesnt seem to have any following FIS-skijumping events listed for the future...

Don't get me wrong, your service is fantastic and $4.95 is a small price to pay and being able to watch wintersports again LIVE and in their entirety (I'm european who resides in USA for now and am used to watch the events as they are meant to be on the mighty Eurosport channel) for which I'll be eternally grateful to you, but I'm a skijumpung freak and would love to see some more events covered (the skiflying event in Vikersund this upcoming weekend for instance!).

Best regards,
ik
post #18 of 59
ik:

Unfortunately we can't carry every event, due to production restrictions and our agreement with FIS / USA skiing. We would love to increase our coverage, especially in the "other" disciplines!

Keep checking WCSN and our ski jumping calendar for more events!

M


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@MMOWRY:

Would you guys carry more FIS Skijumping events? I registered to your site coz I noticed you carried first two events from the 4-hill tournee and I enjoyed them very much, but was kinda dissapointed not to see the following two... and your schedule doesnt seem to have any following FIS-skijumping events listed for the future...

Don't get me wrong, your service is fantastic and $4.95 is a small price to pay and being able to watch wintersports again LIVE and in their entirety (I'm european who resides in USA for now and am used to watch the events as they are meant to be on the mighty Eurosport channel) for which I'll be eternally grateful to you, but I'm a skijumpung freak and would love to see some more events covered (the skiflying event in Vikersund this upcoming weekend for instance!).

Best regards,
ik
post #19 of 59
Thanks everyone for all the comments -- we like to hear from our subscribers, even if it's "constructive criticism!" And yes, improving the video is ALWAYS at the top of our "to-do" list!

Check out WCSN for coverage this weekend (SDD -- same day delay)


FridayJan 19
14:00 FIS World Cup Women's Slalom Super-G from Cortina, Italy -- SDD


Saturday Jan 20
14:00 FIS Women's World Cup from Cortina, Italy - SDD
18:00 FIS Men's Alpine from Val dIsere DH - SDD

Sunday Jan 21
14:00 FIS Women's World Cup from Cortina GS - SDD
19:00 FIS Men's Alpine World Cup SC from Val dIsere SDD

Thursday Jan 25
09:30 Men's Downhill Training -- posted on-demand soon





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Originally Posted by chipmtu View Post
Peter Graves is the other guy, he does the anouncing at the Beaver Creek races and I believe Aspen.

It's been better in respect to pointing out key sections and where skiers are losing time, though there have been a few times where Porino and Graves has some dead air, each waiting for the other to speak. One of the things I noticed with Schlanger was a skier may be losing time down the course but was still slight ahead on the splits, he made it seems the that particular skier was skiing the course better though time was being lost at each split.

If Steve Schlanger would cover more of the course with some technical aspects in addition with the history, he be a good announcer.
post #20 of 59
@MMOWRY: @MMOWRY:

I'm checking the WCSN website on daily basis, but it is painful to see the events come and go uncovered... If I know that there would be at least couple to be covered I can have something positive in mind to look for. Hope you can enlighten me whether there are any confirmed skijumping events to be carried for the reamining of this season. Thanks in advance.
post #21 of 59
You're in luck!

WCSN will have the FIS Ski Jumping World Cup from Willingen, GER., Feb. 10 (4 - 6 PM EST) and Feb. 11 (6 - 8 PM EST), same day delay.

(This information will be posted to the WCSN website soon!)

As for some of the past events, we may still post video -- it just depends on the content that we receive from our partners.


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Originally Posted by mtroll View Post
@MMOWRY: @MMOWRY:

I'm checking the WCSN website on daily basis, but it is painful to see the events come and go uncovered... If I know that there would be at least couple to be covered I can have something positive in mind to look for. Hope you can enlighten me whether there are any confirmed skijumping events to be carried for the remaining of this season. Thanks in advance.
post #22 of 59

WCSN and Steve Schlanger

I have certainly enjoyed watching World Cup Skiing on WCSN, but the comentator, Steve Schlanger, drives me nuts.

Perhaps it is because I am an ex racer, but I have to turn off the sound to be able to watch it. In addition to the comments already made i.e. he seems to read statistics and ingore what is happening on screen and he repeats himself ad nauseum, he also makes ridiculous assumptions about the motivations and goals of the racers and makes judgements on where a racer is losing time in a course without having any apparent knowledge about ski racing techique. He has not yet figured out that in two run events the second run split times include the first run time difference so he wastes a lot of time marveling at how the racers seem to be so far ahead at the first split and then wonders why they lose time the rest of the way.

While last years commentators did not provide any racer background, at least they did not feel like they had to talk all the time. IMHO little silence would go a long way to make his distracting chatter a little more palattable.
post #23 of 59
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Originally Posted by desert1 View Post

In addition to the comments already made i.e. he seems to read statistics and ingore what is happening on screen and he repeats himself ad nauseum, he also makes ridiculous assumptions about the motivations and goals of the racers and makes judgements on where a racer is losing time in a course without having any apparent knowledge about ski racing techique. He has not yet figured out that in two run events the second run split times include the first run time difference so he wastes a lot of time marveling at how the racers seem to be so far ahead at the first split and then wonders why they lose time the rest of the way.
I watched yesterday's kitz slalom and the combo of schlanger/porino is an improvement. Schlanger can still read a bunch of statistics but Porino actually has an eye for things like a skier dropping his pole or dumping speed on a specific turn. Without Chad Fleischer, Porino tones things down considerably and, thankfully, he does understand that split times are cumulative, not times for individual course sections. I like Porino more without OLN-esque pressure to overhype the Americans and mention Bode Miller a minimum of 4 times per minute. Porino/Schlanger are the best combo I've heard yet.
post #24 of 59
I really have enjoyed the coverage. too much. My wife has been yelling at me to pay attention to the children!

Last night I tried to watch the mens SL from Kitsbuhl. They had an SL on sat and on Sun. But the link to the 2nd run of Sunday's race brought me to the second run of Saturdays race. I couldn't get to Sundays second run!: :

I sent them an email, and I hope they fixed it so I can watch it tonight.

My gripe is only a little about the announcing. It could definitely be better, but it's not too bad. What I really would like is a higher res picture. getting this onto my tv would be useless with the current resolution. Even at full screen on a 19" monitor, it's almost unwatchable. I watch it in the "double" screen size.

I'd also like better fast forward and rewand abilities. I don't seem to be able to view it on another type of viewer, and all I get is a ff that's about 20% faster than normal, and no rewind. The only way I can rewind is to move the scroll bar button at the bottom. But because the coverage is so long, it's really hard to get to go where you want it, as the movement of the button is too sensitive.

I'd like to see a ff and rewind that I can control the speed of with the keyboard or mouse. When going in ff, I don't need to hear the audio.
post #25 of 59
mmowry.. no world championships?
post #26 of 59

Time out...

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Originally Posted by mmowry View Post
Thanks for all the great comments about WCSN! We're doing our best to improve our coverage and put as many live events up on the site as possible. We appreciate your comments, and hope that you encourage all of your friends to sign up...!

Check out the rest of the Alpine Schedule at:
http://wcsn.com/schedule/index.jsp?s=34032&e=fis_sched

There are lots of great events coming up in the next few days, don't miss out!
...I am having major league problems with on-demand, and I can't get anybody from WCSN to fix the issue...which is, I can't watch it live because I'm always ski racing! So then I try to do the on-demand thing, and I get told I'm blacked out...even though on-demand is available in USA, supposedly. What gives?
post #27 of 59
NBC and/or OLN has the rights....

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mmowry.. no world championships?
post #28 of 59
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post
...I am having major league problems with on-demand, and I can't get anybody from WCSN to fix the issue...which is, I can't watch it live because I'm always ski racing! So then I try to do the on-demand thing, and I get told I'm blacked out...even though on-demand is available in USA, supposedly. What gives?
Did you call Customer Service? It's the best way to get an answer....
866-446-8254

Hope you are having a good racing season!
post #29 of 59
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Originally Posted by mmowry View Post
NBC and/or OLN has the rights....
Thats cool.. I am enjoying the coverage anyway
post #30 of 59
mmowry,

What do we have to do to get the full list of final results show for the alpine races, as opposed to just the top 25?

Sometimes I look just to see if someone finished and where they finished. If they aren't in the top 25, I don't know whether they finished or DNF'd.

thanks!
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