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post #31 of 83
Yeah I agree SLC is not a bad place to live. I was going to move there when Big Blue laid me off 1.5 years ago but found a great gig in Aspen instead. My general qualifications for a great ski town is .....snow, vertical, and terrain. The social aspect was not my first choice, the amount of readily available alchol was not my first choice....good money, great work environment, and a free ski pass was.

But SLC is really just another big city that happens to be really close to some kick ass skiing.

Still the Roaring Fork Valley containing Aspen, A Highlands and Snowmass is a great relocation destination..... with out the big city problems.

But there are many like it..Steamboat, Durango ( moutain is a little far away )Telluride.... A lot of front range areas Vail, Beavage Creek, Keystone are just too Disney like.

I guess that are a handfull of great places to live where you can dial-up to go to work and then ski off your lunch later that day..... It's all good if the skiing's good.
post #32 of 83
I don't really have a problem with the Mos. They are nice people, and are pretty much built in population control for some great skiing. People are afraid of them, and I get shorter lift lines. Fine with me.

I have had some problems with them. Not however in my personal life, excluding the nosey neighbors, which you have anywere. I do however see myself passed up for raises/promotions that seem to go to uneducated members of their church. Kind of annoying, but I don't live here for the job, I live here for the skiing and other outdoor experiences.

Currently, a few of my friends and I are throwing the idea around of buying some acres up around Victor, Idaho. Put up a big cabin for the familys yet to be, and have a nice little spot to vacation at, with great skiing just over the hill. But that is still a few years out.
post #33 of 83
Thread Starter 
Originally posted by Kima:
You may have already mentioned this, but how long are you planning on staying? Is this a permanent move or just a year or so? What type of work is your roommate planning on?
One last question, how old are you. I think of Breck as being a younger town. Someone who actually lives there may think different.
Kima - I am looking to do this for a permanent thing with just renting an apartment in the beginning.
My roommate is a nurse so she can find a job pretty much anywhere and we are both 25 years old. We are both race coaches so we will be looking to continue that out west. This helps with the ski pass issue.
post #34 of 83
A couple of things. My cousin-in-law and her significant other, both surgical nurses, recently went on the same quest. They rented a RV and traveled to Colorado, Utah and Oregon. Their concern, along with skiing was a hospital that handled the types of surgery they practiced. They ended up in Bend, Oregon. Yet another place to consider. There is a small hospital in both Vail and Steamboat.

As your renting if you come to Summit County CO you can get a feel for the various towns around. Personally I like Frisco more than Breck to live. It puts you in the center of things. A quick trip to all the resorts, Vail included. Steamboat is about 90 min away. Have no idea about a high speed hookup, you may want to call the chamber of commerce and see. Good luck. I have lived many different places, I love Colorado. Though I often think about other places I would live, given the chance. New Mexico and Idaho have been on my list to check into. Just wishing though.

PS ski passes are cheap for those resorts close the front range. Not so cheap for Steamboat.
post #35 of 83
I have had the chance to read the postings and find them all to be quite interesting, but I would like to submit a few reasons why Whitefish, Montana has some advantage.

1. The skiing - Big Mountain is impressive and the off piste areas can be huge, but the real reason for this location is its proximity to some of the best skiing in North America with the likes of Fernie, Panorama, Kicking Horse, Red Mountain, and Whitewater within morning driving distance.

2. The weather - This area is considered to be the 'banana belt' of the northern interior US. Several factors come together in the Flathead lake area that make it a real unique situation at lower altitudes and northern lattitudes. Summertime sees balmy lakeside temperatures, with glacier covered mountains on the horizon!

3. The locale - Kalipsell is only 14 miles away and the populace of Flathead county is considered to be a bit progressive for its size; considering the fact that the population has doubled since the 1970's and it is still almost uninhabited compared to most populated mountain regions in the rockies.

4. Access - Glacier International airport seldom has any weather related closures and the moderated weather around Flathead lake makes for better driving conditions during winter months. The airport is actually closer to Whitefish than Kalispell. This area has all of the high tech access found anywhere else in the country; along with all the self contained services needed in an isolated region.

5. Endless recreational possibilities! - With a national park and what probably is the best preserved wilderness area in the country next door, these recreational options will likely still be available throughout your lifetime. Overcrowding in other parts of the country will undoubtedly close off much of what is taken for granted today; somewhere in the future.

6. Location - The great Canadian wilderness is within access to the north. Calgary is 4+ hours away. Spokane is about the same distance, and what is in between is YOUR PlAYGROUND.

7. Cost - Expenses in an area that is just now emerging as a retirement and destination playground should initially be lower. Relatively inexpensive housing can still be found in several areas of the county.

These are all points that most of the suggested sites would have trouble arguing with, but then again, it can also be seen that many people really like living in 'mountain suburbia'.

Good Luck!!! [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ January 08, 2003, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: feal ]
post #36 of 83
Your roomate's a nurse? Definitely look at the boat. That's why my friends moved there, his wife is a nurse and they evidently need staff up there badly. I believe she gets a ski pass with her job too.
post #37 of 83
Ok add Montana to my wish list [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #38 of 83
Originally posted by Inspector Gadget:
Not to slam any religion or city; but what are the catholics like in Boston, I have never lived there. Would it be fair to say there is some Catholic influence? I think it's a matter of accepting every area for what it has to offer, be it good or bad. It would be terribly naive to ignore the influence of the LDS church in Salt Lake City, because it's there. But I also don't think we're all a bunch of stepford clones either.
So RELIGION's that important huh.. :
I don't mean to get too serious Inspector, but it sounds like you need to get more *mountain_time*... [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #39 of 83
Thread Starter 
So my potential room mate is leaning towards Steamboat, because of the Hospital nearby, but I am still a little hesitant. Does Steamboat offer some challenging skiing? I understand there are a lot of glades, but the mountain does not even look like it is above tree line. Are there any powder bowls? Is there any backcountry and are there any other mountains close to Steamboat? I am looking for a town that has a mountain that will challenge me for a long time and also have year round activities. I am not against Steamboat, but if I am going to make a life changing move I want to go to a place that fits. And I am planning on taking a week long trip in March to check a place out, I just do not know where I am heading yet.
post #40 of 83
Originally posted by Inspector Gadget:
...on second thought, buy a motorhome and try them all. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
Y'all thought I was kidding about the motorhome. Given the time, I would take the opportunity to check out each of your choices for a while. Oh, to be 25, semi-single and footloose. What a fabulous prospect, the idea of throwing a dart at the map to decide where live. OK, I admit it, I'm green with envy.

Feal makes a great case for Montana. So much so, that I want to move up there myself.
post #41 of 83
Stemboat is not the most challenging of mountains, but this rather gentle nature is the very factor that is going to make Steamboat's biggest issue overcrowding in the very near future.

Go North Young Man!!!!! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #42 of 83
Thread Starter 
Originally posted by Inspector Gadget:
Oh, to be 25, semi-single and footloose. What a fabulous prospect, the idea of throwing a dart at the map to decide where live.
Well, let's just say when I make this move I will be single. The room mate is not a girlfriend.
post #43 of 83
Originally posted by HaveSkisWillClimb:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Inspector Gadget:
Not to slam any religion or city; but what are the catholics like in Boston, I have never lived there. Would it be fair to say there is some Catholic influence? I think it's a matter of accepting every area for what it has to offer, be it good or bad. It would be terribly naive to ignore the influence of the LDS church in Salt Lake City, because it's there. But I also don't think we're all a bunch of stepford clones either.
So RELIGION's that important huh.. :
I don't mean to get too serious Inspector, but it sounds like you need to get more *mountain_time*... [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
</font>[/quote]Actually organized religion is not that important for me, but it's certainly a flash-point for some individuals and cultures.

I get religion on the slopes. In fact, I once saw God on slopes of Vail, but that's another story - one that does not include chemicals of any kind. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I want to go visit Feal and worship in his church.
post #44 of 83
Steamboat is not as steep as Snowbird or Jackson, but it is still a truly great mountain. The tree skiing is the best I have ever seen, the snow is good and deep, and the area has a great feel. Your profile indicates you like bumps -- Steamboat is home to some of the best bumpers in the country. There is good backcountry terrain around (plus there is a pretty good cat operation there). Vail and Beaver Creek are not too far away, and you can get to Summit County and Winter Park pretty easily too. The year ‘round activities are exceptional. Of the resorts you list in Colorado, I think Steamboat has much better skiing than either Breck or Purgatory (Durango).

In the end, the only way to know is to visit.

Finding the right place sounds like fun...
post #45 of 83
Both ski race coaches? Give Park city a lot of thought then. As I am sure you already know this is home to the US Ski team. The Local Park City Ski Team feeds a lot of young talant into the US ski team. parents move here so that thier kids can become members of the Park City ski team and have a shot at making the US ski team. Many start thier race careers at other Mountains. However most will find themselves training living and working in Park City at some point. Have fun on your search for your own slice of Haven. I know that Park City isn't for everyone, for my wife and me it just felt right from the first time we saw the town. For us Park City felt like home years before we were able to make the move here.
post #46 of 83
Feal missed the main reason many people love Whitefish. It has a stretch of bars downtown that are thriving and always busy. If you want a nightlife its a great little town.
post #47 of 83
Just a quick question about steamboat. When i visited about 4 years ago I remember public transportation, of course I was staying in a rented condo, so was that just for the tourists or does it go all over town? Because this would be ideal for someone like myself who would rather not have car payments and insurance fees hanging over my head.

The people recommnending all these other places care to comment on the transportation situation, I know a 20 min drive isn't bad, but that turns into one helluva hike.

post #48 of 83
What about Nederland?
post #49 of 83
Seems to me it's worth tossing in the Tahoe area to consider. Multiple resorts (including Squallywood with terrain competitive with the best), great summer and winter opportunities, easy aceess to airport and metro district (Reno), ???
post #50 of 83
Thread Starter 
What is the cost of living in Tahoe? Is it more then the Steamboat or Summit County areas?

Also, I know Salt Lake City has been talked about a bit in respect to the LDS, but what is Park City like? I saw a few people that live in Park City, what is your take? Is it a 4 seasons town? Should I bump Park City up on the list? Is there still a skier’s town feel to the area after the Olympics came through? And how hard is it really to get a beer after a day on the slopes?
post #51 of 83
feal has the visitor's rose-colored lenses on. Whitefish is a pseudo-town. It's un-Montana. It's Yuppie Central.

Kalispell is caught in the early 90s. Mullets for men, "wall of hair" for women. Cow tipping is popular.

Don't glorify Montana. It's not what you think. Most who move here do one of three things:

(1) Know fully well what they're getting into (no delusions, no rose lenses), end up staying because they fit in.

(2) Realize -- after moving here -- that the romanticized version of Montana is NOT the real Montana. It's tough living here. You can't make any money (unless you're a scum-sucking plaintiff's lawyer, or a medical doctor), the house prices reflect immigrants moving here with wheelbarrows full of money and stars in their eyes, and even the Banana Belt of Western Montana has weather that is too cold and unpredictable for 98% of Americans or persons from other mollycoddled nations. Most folks in this category leave after a few years, OR they become one of Category (3) if they stay.

(3) Insist on making Montana into a smaller version of Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, etc. In other words, making every effort to convert Montana into a "creature comforts" state that has lots of pavement, lots of laws & regulations, lots of electric lighting, lots of ugly trophy houses and "luxury condominiums," and generally turning the natives against them. Whitefish is chock-full of Category (3) people, and the massive changes planned for The Big Mountain will reflect this fact.

Don't romanticize Montana. If you want city amenities in a mountain town, move to Vail, Aspen, Sun Valley, or Vancouver BC. Don't move here and try to change Montana for the worse (of course, you'll think it's "for the best").

Leave us alone.


post #52 of 83
Gonzo -

You missed the main source of income in Montana -- real estate sales and constructions. It is an irony that the only way to make a living here is to destroy why you're living here.
post #53 of 83
Gonz, your points are well-taken. However - and while I understand the sentiment - the "leave us alone" tag, coming from a NON-native who's moved there from the east is eerily reminiscent of ex-Angelenos who've moved to Seattle and say the same thing once they're there (and suddenly "locals").
post #54 of 83
ryan, you miss completely the essence of category (1).

"leave us alone" refers to the "us" who understand the historic character of the state, as compared to the DESIRED character influenced by the immigrant's home state.

in Western Montana, there's a palpable tension between the newcomers who want to change Montana to suit their wishes, and the "locals" (whether born & bred, or merely those who are in sync with the born & bred).

this tension doesn't exist in Eastern Montana (Billings and eastward) because that part of the state is relatively ugly and lacks amenities for anyone except old cowhands looking for ranges to ride.

are you saying it's illegitimate for an immigrant to claim to understand the state's historic character?
post #55 of 83
The "I'm a local, you stay away" sentiment is seen here, in Steamboat Springs, too. I've heard a story that one of the members of the Werner family -- the "first family of Steamboat Springs" (Buddy's Run is named for Buddy Werner, and the ski hill is at least partially on Mt. Werner) -- was asked by a long-time local resident if she was upset about all the new people moving into the Yampa Valley. She graciously replied, "Well, we let you in, didn't we?"

I guess the take-home is that even a long-time local resident is a relative upstart newcomer to someone who has been here for much longer. Whenever I think about wanting to shut the gates to prevent more people from moving here, I think about how welcomed the local community made our family feel when we moved here. To me, that's a large part of the charm of our town.

post #56 of 83

No, I'm not saying that.

And I should've read number one more closely; it makes more sense. I confess to being a little cynical about folks who make a move to a desirable locale, THEN, once THEY're in, it's "bar the doors" (to the outsiders).

i have contemplated a move similar to yours and yes, i'd like to avoid the "Aspenization" of otherwise "pure(r)" environs; but it seems fair enough to say that when enough people want that something not-so-polished and convenient, and get there, for richer or poorer, category number one is subject to abuse, whether WE like it or not.

[ January 09, 2003, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: ryan ]
post #57 of 83
Gonz and Ryan;

Both of you bring up good points, but what I had hoped came across in that post is that the harder aspects of isolated living in the far north will soften this transition to 'mountain suburbs'. Anyone who thought I was saying that it isn't cold in the mountains there during the winter was assuming too much, just like anyone who thought I was saying that 'balmy days' around the largest fresh water lake west of the Mississippi would be insect free; would be wrong!

All of this bantering about people moving in was summed up by Ted Turner over trout fishing rights some time back. He was quoted as saying; "If these 'residents' want to go trout fishing, let them buy their own $5(?)million trout stream." I think his sentiments were appropriate. If there should be no change, there should be no sales. -- It's just an extension of the American way!!!

I like the idea of keeping the northern wilderness the way it is, but common sense tells me that I better enjoy it now, because change is inevitable. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #58 of 83
I lived in Summit County for a year and eventually moved on. I really liked it there; many great mountains and year-round fun. But it had 2 big drawbacks for me:

1. No women to meet. This is true of most ski towns, so I am not sure its possible to avoid a male dominated population in a 'real' ski town.

2. Very difficult to make a good living. I was sweating it out as a line cook every day, and got by just fine. But to step up to a comfortable living really requires you to start your own business IMHO. I wasn't equipped to do that at the time, as I was just out of school and quite broke.

So where did I end up? Seattle. Here I can make a great living in a city with no winter to speak of. I can also get in my truck and be skiing 3000' at Crystal in an hour and a half. Mt Baker and Stevens are also close enough for day trips any time and Whistler is 3 hours away. I know WA skiing isn't the same as Utah or CO, but its damn close, and this worked out to be the best overall comprimise for me. The season lasted until June last year and lift tix are $40. Check out the Nov issue of Powder where they survey the WA resorts and life in Seattle.

That said, living in a REAL ski town is great. How can you argue with skiing 50-100+ days a year? You can't really. If I could, I would consider moving back to the mountains tomorrow.
post #59 of 83
Whether a resident or not, I think it's very interesting how each person stands tall for their locale of choice. It's almost as though we're bidding for BrownSki to move to our corner of the world . . . . sorry BrownSki, there is no signing bonus.

As is true with so many aspects of life, I know of no area that is perfect in every respect. I'm still envious of your current predicament and I'm more than a little curious to read the next chapter. Please make sure to let us know how it ends.

Edited for clarity

[ January 09, 2003, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: Inspector Gadget ]
post #60 of 83
If there should be no change, there should be no sales. -- It's just an extension of the American way!!!

aw feal, don't just roll over like that. the war has yet to start, and you've already claimed defeat.

the Ted Turner quote is misunderstood and misinterpreted. to understand it properly, you must understand stream/creek/river recreation access laws in Montana.

I don't think Turner's sentiments have any bearing at all on the issue of whether someone should move to Montana.

My only point is this: since Montana now is at the critical juncture of deciding how it wants to sustain its poor economy after the death of extractive industry (timber, mining), we who live here, work here and pay taxes here have an absolute right to determine the shape and character of our state's future.

Folks who consider moving to Whitefish because it's closer to the comfy yuppie amenity-laden place they currently reside should take a step back and wonder whether Montana should become more like Whitefish, or Whitefish more like Montana.

If you vote for the former, please stay away.

If you vote for the latter, come on out and plant yourself here, and try to eke out your existence. It'll be hard, it'll be painful, and it'll test your patience. Don't try to overcome those obstacles by changing Montana to suit your needs. We don't want that kind of change. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
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