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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Sorry about the title,

was wondering, got new (to me) skis this year and they were shipped to me with something called Holmenkol (sp) wax on them for protection and storage.

Should I remove it before skiing, that is I will scrape them down but am wondering if I should go get some wax remover and start over?

If stripped what wax? I used to hot wax skis all the time but now it seems there are a lot of pastes and flouro whatevers to look at.

what are you guys doing these days? any one still hot-waxing? or has everyone moved to a convenient spritz and wipe down just before they hit the slopes.

post #2 of 12
I am gonna move this over to tuning, you will get a better response there.
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks, did not see a tuning forum, guess I should look around a bit more.
post #4 of 12
Just set up my tuning station and tuned my skis. I scraped off all the storage wax, I use paraffin. Used a brass brush to get off the remaining wax. Sharpened the edges. Put two coats of Hertel Super Hot Sauce on. Scaped between each, and brushed the final coat with brass and horsehair brushes.

I like the Hertel wax, because it is for all temperatures. It may not be the perfect wax, but I do not race so tenths of seconds are not important to me. Plus I bought the 1lb bar for less than $20.
post #5 of 12
I'm using hydrocarbon waxes, for the benefit of the environment. You should clean the bases completetly, and start with whatever wax you will use all season. Be it hydro, flouro, or whatever. After you use a scraper and base cleaner to remove old wax, drop a 2ft patch of wax on the ski and then scrape it immediately. Take a look at how much crap comes out of your bases. Keep goin down the ski in 2ft sections till your done. Then wax normally. If they have been stored or neglected at all, you should do at least 2 applications of wax before you head out. Cheers!
post #6 of 12
Here's the Great Base Cleaning Debate thread for more background.

In short, pick what works easiest for you, scrape, use cleaner or hot scraping to clean new skis and follow with a few rounds of hot waxing, liquid or spray waxes for best durability (versus rub-ons or pastes), followed by scraping if hot waxing & brushing to free the structure and then polish for best glide first run.

We carry a great value in solid universal hydrocarbon/paraffin that covers all temperatures with two temperature waxes, universal & hot. They're also very durable and will require less waxing than other universals. To increase glide in wetter snow, aggressive structuring helps a lot and might eek out some more glide for slow waxes.

The universal low flouros will also perform better a warmer temps than the paraffins.

More waxing info here.
post #7 of 12
Holmenkol is one of several ski wax companies that makes a full line of waxes
http://www.holmenkol.us/aboutwax.htm...stat=& ref=17

What is your goal? ---Fastest possible glide? The info above is very good. ---Just want some wax so your skis aren't sticky and the base lives the longest? Just scape that wax off and ski, although scraping and rewaxing with a universal wax is better. Rewax once in a while with any universal wax. For a quick job, after I melt the wax in, I remelt it and wipe the bases with a paper towel...iron in one hand and paper towel in the other. It's neater than scraping, and works very well for my needs.

post #8 of 12
Before getting into the regular cycle of waxing, you'll probably want to get that storage wax ("summer" wax) off.

Iron lightly, just enough to get the wax soft, but not liquid. It won't take much. Then scrape.

To get the rest of the storage wax out, place a sheet of Swix fiberlene under your iron, and iron down the length of the ski several times, slowly.

Thick brown paper, like from a grocery bag, works just as well as fiberlene, but you'll need to bump up the iron temp a little with the brown paper.

Once you're satisified that you've got as much of the storage wax out of the base as you care to remove, hit it with your bronze brush, and then start the normal waxing.

Unless you are racing or have a desire to get lung disease, simple, inexpensive hydrocarbon waxes will give you amazing results. They will last longer and keep up your bases better than spray-on, wipe-on stuff. Which waxes are hydrocarbon? The cheapest ones.

Of course, you can always spend more on wax. That "flouro smoke" can make you an addict (It can also kill you, they say.)
post #9 of 12
Good comments and tips on wax removal.

Originally Posted by faber View Post
inexpensive hydrocarbon waxes will give you amazing results. They will last longer and keep up your bases better than spray-on, wipe-on stuff.
The belief that spray ons and liquids are less durable than solids is no longer universally true.

"Maplus is the only wax company to manufacture high-melt paraffin (hydorcarbon) wax in liquid or spray form for quick, easy and long lasting applications due to higher ski & snowboard base saturation and penetration with a harder, more durable wax."

High melt liquid paraffins from Maplus will equal or exceed cheaper (softer) waxes, but will be a little less so than comparable solid wax that is hot waxed. Adding heat to the liquids and spray waxes by placing an iron over a teflon sheet on the base will exceed solids and requires no scraping.
post #10 of 12
oops (how do you delete repeats?)
post #11 of 12

The spray-on wax you're talking about (the liquid paraffin wax you sell) still needs to be ironed in to be most effective, as you say. Looks like a good product.

The spray-on type of stuff I was referring to was the stuff that is sprayed on and not really intended for ironing. It's not bad stuff, but it doesn't last. I always carry some "cheater wax" when I'm out on the XC skis in case I'm half-way out they've changed the snow on me It works for that kind of thing, but the skis still need real wax.

A lot of casual skiers use that stuff and think they are "tuning" their skis just fine.
post #12 of 12
If you want to keep your skis for awhile and in good shape. You need to wax frequently. Always scrspe off the storage wax to get the contaminates off the ski. that is what a storage wax is. new skis come with storage wax. Get it oof of there. then hot wax with a base prep wax if you have it or just plain old red. Wax them twice before you ski them. then every time you ski them for a few times and then never go more than two times without fresh wax. If you do not wax your bases will oxidize and they will not work nearly as well. they will be slow and dirt and other contaminates will rapidly deterior ate the bases. In ski racing, if you leave a pair of skis over the summer with no storage wax then it is reccomended that you have them ground and start over. You want a base that is full of penetrated wax. A $10 bar of wax will last you for like 40 wax jobs if you do it correctly so it is not a big buck thing to do. Just my 2 cents.
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