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where to mount my new pes

post #1 of 21
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so i just got the new public enemys and im not sure where i should mount them. I plan to ski mostly all mountain with only the occasional run thorugh the park so im more interested in the all mountain performance. any suggestions on how far back/forward i should mount them?
post #2 of 21
if you don't fancy skiing faky, mount them center.
post #3 of 21
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
if you don't fancy skiing faky, mount them center.
that is truely one of the most retarted thing ive ever heard. DO NOT mount them center if you dont ski switch at all (or as samurai says "fancy faky")

If you are only doing the occasional run through the park I would say at -4 to -6 cm from center. but it really depends on how tall are you/how much you weigh and where you are going to be skiing out side of the park (trees?pow?) also how long they are makes a difference so post that up too
post #4 of 21
i meant boot center-line to the ski-factory-set matching line. You know, the line drawn on the ski often referred to as center. sorry for being retarted. (spelled; retarded) my 30 seasons of skiing and my world IFSA tour time seem to have retarded my view of language- that or the three languages my retarted brain is forced to negotiate.
post #5 of 21
I'd mount them boot centre, or at most 2cm forward of that. (mine are at +1.75cm)
post #6 of 21
I liked mine more when I had them at +2 than I like them now at +4.

Strangely enough, this isn't the first time "Samurai" has given bad info in tech talk.
post #7 of 21
why is matching lines considered bad info "takecontrol"? it's stock and people have been doing it for decades. people are suggesting going forward, which will bring the BOF forward, yet they have no idea as to the size of his foot, or if his BOF already happens to match a mounting point equivalent to center; or to 2CM forward. why did you go +4? did your foot shrink? was going +4 considered "good info" when you did it, takecontrol?

ecskier;
call the factory, ask them what size foot determined the skis' center-line.
If your size is one or two centimeters longer or shorter, adjust accordingly.
Most ski companies can tell you how many centimeters (from the tail) the center-balance point is on the ski. The factory mark on the ski is laid there to fit a "general" size foot that the manufacturer believes matches the skier who will be skiing a given sized ski. (believe it or not, that line is engineered)
boots don't have BOF (ball of foot) lines on them as they fluctuate with different skiers and different length toes. So they have mid-sole lines. the line on the ski is also behind the actual ski's center balance point intended to match the boot's mid-sole line. If you are concerned about being behind or forward, (perhaps you have strangely large or small feet for someone of your height and weight) then just call the factory and you won't have to worry about bad info from me or 19 y.o. university students.
post #8 of 21
Okay, so first it was okay to just mount them "center." Then you actually mean "factory midsole." Then you have to take boot size into account when figuring out just where factory midsole is. You're trying to explain away your first post by making it more and more complicated. Next you're going to be telling everyone that their bad skiing is caused by not being mounted BOF.

I originally went +2, which is a very standard freeride mark, for about 75/25 allmountain/park riding. I rode them for 2 years and loved them, and they became my every day ski. I decided when I switched bindings to make the PE more of a 50/50 allmountain/park ski, which is why I went +4. I liked their allmountain performance better at +2, although they do ski better switch now.

That's "good info."
post #9 of 21
It is plausible that samurai meant mount them on the factory center "line."

With that said, interpreted objectively, mounting them "center" for all mountain skiing is a strange statement.

Maybe everyone is correct here.



Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's v****a.

No, there's no way that's correct.

I'm sorry, I was trying to impress you. I don't know what it means. I'll be honest, I don't think anyone knows what it means anymore. Scholars maintain that the translation was lost hundreds of years ago.

Doesn't it mean Saint Diego?

No. No.

No, that's - that's what it means. Really.

Agree to disagree.
post #10 of 21
[quote=Takecontrol618;612180]Okay, so first it was okay to just mount them "center." Then you actually mean "factory midsole." Then you have to take boot size into account when figuring out just where factory midsole is. You're trying to explain away your first post by making it more and more complicated. Next you're going to be telling everyone that their bad skiing is caused by not being mounted BOF.
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ok, semantics... "Center" in my fraction of the ski industry, means line-to-line. +2 (for example) means 2 centimers ahead of center. "Center" does not mean the literal middle of the ski. sorry if I was misunderstood.

like another thread, I'll simplify it- Call the factory and ask them how many centimeters from the tail it is to the skis' center-balance-point. measure, and mark. then, find your BOF on your boot. Mark it. Now match those lines. done.
personally, I don't stress about this anymore. I did ten years ago, but skis really are easy to ski these days and the factory gave much more thought than our threads have. Nor will I ever blame anyone's bad skiing on not mounting BOF. factory line is not a bad idea; after 30 seasons, I still do this, I did it when I was competing in world-class invitation-only heli-accessed events too.
Another piece of advice, take it or leave it, is to find your ski with a demo binding and experiment.
I believe the two pieces of info above would be much more valuable to you than the opinions of people who all have different sized feet and rarely even comment on the length of ski they are on if you don't consider your own BOF.
It's honestly all relative.
post #11 of 21
Plus three for all mountain performance, and then the occasional park run.
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by Yukon View Post
Plus three for all mountain performance, and then the occasional park run.
OMG
based on what?
ok, in all honesty... these binding forums are insane. :
But I'll take the hint...
post #13 of 21
Based on experience, not on some subjective test that involves tapping boots and putting too many holes in a pair of skis.

Honestly, folks here are just itchin' to find things to blame their poor skiing on, and binding location is to this season as pole plants were to last season.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
Based on experience, not on some subjective test that involves tapping boots and putting too many holes in a pair of skis.

Honestly, folks here are just itchin' to find things to blame their poor skiing on, and binding location is to this season as pole plants were to last season.
: : :

whose experience? Who's Yukon? What size are his feet? his boards? who wants excess holes?
why does finding one's BOF have anything to do with subjective tests that tap boots?
who's itching to blame their poor skiing? I don't recall that being a complaint.

Anyway, anyone notice ecskier is gone? highly doubt we helped him...
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
OMG ...
ok, in all honesty... these binding forums are insane. :

I hear that.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
Anyway, anyone notice ecskier is gone? highly doubt we helped him...
Scared the BOF right out of him
post #17 of 21
Samurai, Don't want to jump in here but sounds like you have a decent working knowledge here. I am a little slow. My son has a size 14 foot and is 6'3. If I wanted a 65/35 pow/park set up on a pair of Atua's which are 186's Then should I be looking to have the center line of the boot ahead or behind the printed line on the ski?
post #18 of 21
Just called Fischer. They do not have a balance point tech spec. They do have a chart of some sort on their skis that indicates recomended +/-. European skis are based upon an 8.5 or 26.5. so I guess if you found the recomended +/- say -2 Ski mount line vs boot center line for backcountry, then mark the average BOF for that typical 8.5, and then match Your BOF to that BOF, then you would be correct? PS Samurai, is the balance point of the ski the point where it would balance on a fulcrum? If so then it wouold be easy enough to find.
post #19 of 21
This is one of the funnier threads, for all the wrong reasons, I've read in a while.

FWIW, mounting most skis boot line to factory line results in being 1.5-4 cm behind (-) where you'd be if you mounted BOF mark on boot to center of running surface of ski. French skis tend to have less difference between the two approaches, German/Austrian skis, more. Don't know about K2. Realskiers has a good article on this, and we've run about a zillion threads on it.

So if you mount "line to line," you're usually in what some people consider a Freerider position, better for stability and tail management, and if you mount ahead (+) of the lines, you're usually just moving into a BOF position, which is going to yield quicker turns at some expense of stability. Which you choose depends on your style and terrain; there is no "Correct" position. Or you can run Railflex's and can adjust as you go.

At the end of the day, it pays to measure your skis, locate your BOF on your boot, and compare the two ways of doing it. So you can make an informed decision, sans name-calling...
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by tuacaman View Post
Samurai, Don't want to jump in here but sounds like you have a decent working knowledge here. I am a little slow. My son has a size 14 foot and is 6'3. If I wanted a 65/35 pow/park set up on a pair of Atua's which are 186's Then should I be looking to have the center line of the boot ahead or behind the printed line on the ski?
The main problem with people wanting powder/park skis is that center (or close to center) mounting which will yeild better performance in the park will also lead to tip dive and poor performance in powder.
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by tuacaman View Post
Samurai, is the balance point of the ski the point where it would balance on a fulcrum? If so then it wouold be easy enough to find.
yeah, balancing the ski on a fulcrum would give you that. I've never done it as it seems mildly hoakie. Back when I cared, I phoned the manufacturers for measurements. Now I just mount line to line and don't recall any problems from recent years. perhaps I fit the average.

big/small feet may consider it.

I remember my race coach having one of our teammates standing barefoot on his ski on a fulcrum, finding each BOF center. seemed mildly hardcore 15 years ago, and mildly insane today unless you have strangely large feet.
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