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post #1 of 38
Thread Starter 
Right..first post! This forum is great and I found a lot of great infos and tips but I'm still a bit mixed up.

Me: 24 years old male
5'8" 160 lbs
Really aggressive and fast skier
Ski mostly at Jay Peak, Vt
Mostly Bumps, Woods and the Face
I'm pretty good...and since I know nothing about levels and ratings, let's say I don't see a lot of faster guys in moguls or trees (maybe I just don't ski enough who knows ) But it's east.

Anyway, I'm looking for a good freeride ski who won't affect too much my mogul capabilities but will let me run the little powder with sometimes get in the woods.

I was on a lil twintip for the last 4 years (no need to say that it is more than dead) 163 cm. I'm looking to get a longer ski since the last one was a submarine in pow and had no grip when icy. I still want one that is quick edge to edge for thick woods.

But now skis look to be on the fatter side. I read good reviews about the Legend 8000. I think I'm down to choose between the 8000, the 4800 and the B2. Unless you have better suggestions.

I won't be able to demo much since ski shop don't have those skis in demo and I need a pair pretty quick.

Will 80 mm or so under the boots have a big negative impact or it's just a normal adaptation. How about the tips?
I'm afraid that the B2 would lack some energy or life.
And the 4800...good enough skis? submarine or float?

Length?

Other suggestions?

Thanks for any input!
post #2 of 38
If you can demo, I recommend the 8000 in 172. Sounds like it will meet your needs well. It's nice in the bumps, agile for the trees, floats in the powder, and has decent edgehold on harder snow.
post #3 of 38
Atomic Sweet Daddys
Nordie Top Fuels
Elan 777
Blizzard Titan 8

There is a huge list.
post #4 of 38
Also check out the Head Monster i.M82. They look pretty sick.
post #5 of 38
I'd agree with Phil's implicit direction away from 8000's or B-2's. Both of which are great skis, but neither of which are optimized for hard crud and crust over soft. Which you will get more days in the trees than light pow.

OTOH, the 777's and Sweet Daddy's seem a touch, ah, big for eastern trees. Maybe last year's 666, to be found at bargin prices? Or this year's AC4 or Top Fuel in a 170? Folks up north also swear by the Stockli XL, too...
post #6 of 38
I think the XL is a little unforgiving in the woods. It's not the kinda ski to be smeared and steered IMHO. I'm not a big fan of the Dynastars either. The skis I'd put on your list are the Volkl Karmas, the M82s, the 777, Top Fuel and maybe the Jet Fuel. Of course there are many other sthat would fill the bill as well.
post #7 of 38
A lot of big skis in the lists above. Why not try the old B1 (2004). It's thinner then the skis above, but should do well in the moguls, carve nicley and be fine for 4-8 inches powder and OK for more but not ideal. Since I haven't skied them back east, not sure how they would handle with crust over soft.
post #8 of 38
8000's
im77
im82

I own all 3 and they'd all meet your needs. Demo and pick your favorite. If you liked the 8000, that's what I'd go with as it's a great ski. I agree it's not a fantastic crud ski, but it's not bad either. Every ski has it's trade-off, but the positives of the 8000s far exceed the negatives.
post #9 of 38
Pocket Rockets
Seth Viscious
Soft Fat skis are the way to go
post #10 of 38
A real bud of mine back East looks to be your twin except he has 20 years on you. He uses the Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel (123-78-108) as his do all stick skiing Jay primarily as his local hill. At your same height and weight, he skis the 170cm. While that may seem a tad short, my friend absolutely dances on it all over and in anything at Jay. If you want pure eye tearing speed then ignore this size but be prepared to give up tighter tree and bump lines or look to another offering.

Good skiing!
post #11 of 38
B2 is a great ski, lively for me but predictable. I wouldn't nix it for this reason, but for the reason that it does not hold well on boilerplate. B2 is a great western ski. (Basically what Beyond just said )

I like my Head XRCs (first model year). I would think though that an Atomic or Volkl mid fat would fit the bill since you will be spending most of your time on hard snow. The Dynastars & Rossis you list are better western skis IMO.
post #12 of 38
Thread Starter 
First, Thanks a lot for all your inputs!

Nobody really talked about the B2 or the 4800 so I might leave them aside.

Some mentionned the crud condition, but I don't feel it's that bad...I mean, I use to ski those conditions so I'm not too afraid of that. I'd even say I prefer a ski that will give me a better feel for the snow compare to a ripping one...
And jay peak is problably the closest thing to western ski in the east...It's not tremblant! 350 inches a year! not that bad!!

Some talked about the im 77 and 82. They do look nice but I never had skis with a plate or a rail bindings. I'm afraid of how it could feel in the moguls...not being straight on my skis.

Same reasoning for the nordica. Also, I love speed but not nearly as much as moguls!! And they look a bit big up front and on the stiff side.

I don't think it would be a good idea to go larger than 80mm.(mantra)

The elan are too rigid and heavy for me I would think.

Also, some of those skis (sweet daddy, blizzard, stockli,...) are not even in ski shops. You have to order them...

So my big problem is that I will have a really though time demoing skis because shops don't have enough of those freeride skis to have a demo. Everybody here are buying carving machine...Some shop don't even have B2 in stock...Can you believe!!

So there I am :
Legend 8000
im77
sweet daddy (if i can find them)
Nordica (I would have to demo them for sure because they look stiff!)

all around 170 right?
And the rail bindings? still have a good feel in the moguls?

Thanks again
post #13 of 38
I bought my im77s and im82 flat. I just happened to mount mine with a rail-flex binding. I could have mounted any binding on them. BTW, I mounted my 8000s with a rail-flex as well. No issues at all in bumps, beyond lack of ability on my part. I think it's mostly personal preference. I like a binding with some lift, and I like the flexibility of the railflex, so that's the direction I went. You could go either way depending upon your preference.
post #14 of 38
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if I was still skiing bumps and trees at Jay I would be all over the Volkl Karma or K2 Public Enemy. Reset I used to be YOU so listen to me

Sounds like you are one of those light on your feet guys that would like a softer park and pipe ski...Mojo 80 or 90? Prophet 80? PE? Scratch FS?

Unless you want to rail groomers or like real burly skis then 80ish mm waist, soft to med flex, 165-170 (flat) or 170-175 (twin) sounds about right.

Yes the list is HUGE.
post #15 of 38
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Originally Posted by X-EastCoaster View Post
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if I was still skiing bumps and trees at Jay I would be all over the Volkl Karma or K2 Public Enemy.
I was going to chime in with the same advice.
post #16 of 38
I have the PE's (old version 80 mm underfoot) and find them fine for most of the mt, but not my favorite in the bumps. I still ski the bumps with them but notice a big difference between them and B3 (which is 83mm underfoot, but easier for me in the bumps) and no comparrison to the old B1's in bumps w/o powder (I don't use the B1 if it is a powder day). I liked all the above skis more then the 8000 and havne't skied the rest of your list so no comment.

170 seems a good length for your build and terrain.

Demo, Demo, Demo if you can. ANd try diff lenghts as well once you find your 2 or 3 top skis.
post #17 of 38
Reset,

I'm 27, 6'1, 180lbs, expert skier (whatever that means) and I call Jay my home mountain. I recently picked up a pair of last year's Legend 8000's in 178. I have not yet skied on them (to be hopefully remedied this weekend), but I thought i could offer some insight with my reasons for choosing the Dynastars.

I ski all over the mountain, including lots of glades/chutes, bumps, etc. The other skis in my quiver were 184 volant powerkarves (old, heavy, but decent edgehold; to be replaced by the Dynastars) and 188 volkl G4s (relics from my Whistler days, burly as hell, destroy crud, limitless high-speed stability, but useless in tight trees). So my plan was to hold on to the G4's for trips out west and for high-speed cruising days (at least until i "man up" and buy some Gotamas), and ditch the Volant's for something a bit shorter, livelier, and lighter; i.e. better in the trees & bumps.

I only tried 2 other skis last season: the bandit b2's and the fischer RX-8's. Granted, they were two very different skis, but i liked them both. As good as the Fischer's were in most terrain, i realized i didn't want a ski that was focused on carving, so eliminating that whole carving category made things easier. The B2's i demoed were perhaps a tad too short, at 174cm, but i still liked how forgiving and manageable they were in tight spaces. I figured the Legend 8000's would be that much better, as the marginal extra length and width would offer that much more stability, and still provide a "light" feeling.

Bottom line is, whatever ski you choose, as long as you know you've chosen the right CATEGORY of ski, you really can't go wrong. As someone previously mentioned, nobody makes a horrible ski anymore. Just don't suffer from analysis paralysis - buy some boards and get to the mountains!

Best of luck,

8yearoldsdude
post #18 of 38
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 8yearoldsdude View Post
Bottom line is, whatever ski you choose, as long as you know you've chosen the right CATEGORY of ski, you really can't go wrong. As someone previously mentioned, nobody makes a horrible ski anymore. Just don't suffer from analysis paralysis - buy some boards and get to the mountains!

Best of luck,

8yearoldsdude
So true...
I buy 1 pair every 4-5 years...(school = poor) so I don't want to go wrong! But yeah, whatever pair I choose will be a huge upgrade compared to my old atomic freezone!

12'' coming at Jay! Might be a not to bad weekend! If you try them..let me know what you think! Or maybe I'll see you there!

X : PE...I'll think about it too! Forget the karma!!! Wayyyy too big under the boots! Just ain't mentally ready for that !! hehehe

Thank you all!
post #19 of 38
Good to hear about the Jay conditions - up until now I thought it would be Tremblant this weekend - a mountain I am not crazy about - but 12 inches sounds awesome. I'll be easy to find on the mountain: i'll be the one cursing wildly at every rock and twig that comes into contact with my precious new boards. regardless, i'll be sure to provide a review next week.
post #20 of 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8yearoldsdude View Post
Bottom line is, whatever ski you choose, as long as you know you've chosen the right CATEGORY of ski, you really can't go wrong. As someone previously mentioned, nobody makes a horrible ski anymore.
What!! You dare speak this ungodliness?! Don’t you know if this maxim gets circulating it could implode this entire forum? What the hell would we have to flame about! Have you no respect for the highly opinionated?

Your post will be edited soon to eliminate your heresy of a statement.

You will gladly accept your punishment delivered to you by the partisan mob, and then ask for another!
post #21 of 38
LOL DonDenver, I truly misspoke.
post #22 of 38
Alfonse has the best advice so far in this thread IMO. I use gotamas in tight trees all the time and love them for that.

Soft, Fat, over mid 170 is what I would be looking at. So says the only person near your age and 10lb heavier and 4 inches tall.

none of the heads are good tree skis they are way to demanding for tight trees and bumps every runs. Head makes good skis I just agree with their thinking for fat skis.
post #23 of 38
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Originally Posted by Reset View Post
sweet daddy (if i can find them)
This is a good deal if the size is right for you (163cm):

http://startingate.net/mm5/merchant....egory_Code=HDT

I bought a pair of 181cm from them a few weeks back and the price was fair and they got them to me in about 2 days w/ UPS ground. I have not skied them yet, but they got very good reviews for trees/bumps and the dimensions/characteristics were exactly what I was looking for. If it does warm up a little next week as expected and result in soft snow, I will be taking them out.
post #24 of 38
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the link...but it's too short


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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
Alfonse has the best advice so far in this thread IMO. I use gotamas in tight trees all the time and love them for that.

Soft, Fat, over mid 170 is what I would be looking at. So says the only person near your age and 10lb heavier and 4 inches tall.

none of the heads are good tree skis they are way to demanding for tight trees and bumps every runs. Head makes good skis I just agree with their thinking for fat skis.
But you ski in Utah...so lucky!
post #25 of 38
Reset I would be using the same skis at Jay peak as in Snowbird. I have skied jay about 14 times in my life loved it everytime. tight trees are tight whether it be in Vermont or Utah.

For the record I ski 183 goats, in utah I could use a 190ish fat sk(that would have no purpose at least to me back east) but I would ski something around 180ish soft and fat for MRG or Jay. Alfonse skis MRG everyday and use 175 PRs and I believe was getting 183 Sugar Daddies.
post #26 of 38
Thread Starter 
Honnestly, it's a new mentality to me...
but I'll sure take it in account and try to demo a fat and soft ski.
Thanks again!
post #27 of 38
As promised, here are my initial impressions of the Legend 8000's after a day at Tremblant [couldn't make it to Jay]. The conditions were still early season, with severely limited visibility, hardpack mixed w/man-made snow and the trails were fairly crowded, so lots of high-speed cruising mixed with emergency, stop-on-a-dime turns.

The skis performed brilliantly. They were stiff enough torsionally to bite into the ice, soft enough to handle the bumps with ease, and were quite stable at high speed. They were definitely lighter and livelier than my old volant's or volkl's, so i had to adjust my skiing style and found myself doing some shorter turns, but they still handled bigger GS turns very well. That said I didn't have the chance to take them into too many tight trees, but based on their good maneuverability in the bumps, I think they'll excel in tight areas. Unfortunately, there was no powder available to test their flotation, but that will hopefully be remedied when i go out West later this month. All in all i am extremely happy with the skis and I think they'll be an excellent all-mountain tool for the East.
post #28 of 38
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Originally Posted by 8yearoldsdude View Post
As promised, here are my initial impressions of the Legend 8000's after a day at Tremblant [couldn't make it to Jay]. The conditions were still early season, with severely limited visibility, hardpack mixed w/man-made snow and the trails were fairly crowded, so lots of high-speed cruising mixed with emergency, stop-on-a-dime turns.

The skis performed brilliantly. They were stiff enough torsionally to bite into the ice, soft enough to handle the bumps with ease, and were quite stable at high speed. They were definitely lighter and livelier than my old volant's or volkl's, so i had to adjust my skiing style and found myself doing some shorter turns, but they still handled bigger GS turns very well. That said I didn't have the chance to take them into too many tight trees, but based on their good maneuverability in the bumps, I think they'll excel in tight areas. Unfortunately, there was no powder available to test their flotation, but that will hopefully be remedied when i go out West later this month. All in all i am extremely happy with the skis and I think they'll be an excellent all-mountain tool for the East.
I've spent a lot of time on these skis in all conditions and they've always performed great, so your review is no surprise to me. I'm glad you're enjoying the 8000s.
post #29 of 38
Thread Starter 
Cool
Thanks for the review
I'm glad you enjoy them..
Have fun out west! :
post #30 of 38
Thanks Coach and Reset - I will hopefully have some powder out there to brag about upon my return. Re-reading this thread and seeing the PE's mentioned, I forgot to mention that my friend who i often ski with skis on last year's PE's (83mm under foot), and he loves them. I'd say the only difference between his style and mine is that he likes hitting the park occasionally, whereas I do not. I tried his PE's once, and thought they were great, but i'd say the 8000's are a bit stiffer with a more pronounced sidecut, and so they have perhaps have a slightly better edgehold than the PE's, but I know my friend loves the skis (they're his only ski and he used to be on a rossi Bandit X) and uses them as his main ski out East. Best of luck in whatever you choose!
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