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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hello there bears

I was just wondering what Euro ski guide book folks would recommend for a gift this holiday season. I really like the Ski North America book, and was hoping for something similar for Euro. I have limited my choices down, if you own, have read, or just browsed any of these books please chime in.

1)Where to Ski and Snowboard Worldwide: Reuters guide by Chris Gill (I know it will be redundant w/N. American resorts


2)Ski Europe: Best Skiing and Snowboarding at Europes top resorts by Charles Leocha

3)Top 50 Ski and Snowboard in Europe 2007 by Pat Sharples

Thanks in advance
mtnsORbust
post #2 of 16
2. is in my public library and it's pretty good, maybe at yours too?
1. believe a lot of this used to be available free at www.ski-europe.com but they seemed to have trimmed resort info content in the last year at that site
3. might have seen this one too and it had good pics??

Frankly, with sites like epic, goski, ski-europe, snowheads, onthesnow, etc, etc it's hard to go back to hardcopy. Query here for a thread on favorite websites and you might get the huge list of electronic sources for worldwide resort info. Link here: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...=www.goski.com
Maybe just edit that and give a one or two page smooth list to your recipient as personalized gift?? and be sure to post it here :-)
post #3 of 16
This is a nice, fat fastball right in the wheelhouse:

I own both Where to Ski and Snowboard Worldwide and Ski Europe. With all due respect to Mr Leocha, there's no comparison. Everyone should own a copy of Where to Ski and Snowboard. It's even worth buying the new version each season, they make so many changes. It is the guide for any serious skier, and I've tested their recommendations for resorts in both the US and Europe.
post #4 of 16
Where to Ski and Snowboard has been around for a few years. Dave Watts used to edit it along with Chris Gill. It is a handy reference guide to have.
If you wanted a ski guide, you'd need to look at region or even resort level, here's a list of some of the books available...
http://www.eagleskiclub.org.uk/guidebooks.htm
post #5 of 16
I own the Leocha and Sharples books. They are both good and significantly different. "Top 50" is slick with lots of good photography. There are helpful pictures of the base areas and the towns that are representative of each resort. This is a professionally produced travel guide that gives you a good feel for each ski area. It really gets you in the mood for skiing.

Leocha is more wordy. There is more emphasis on off piste information and snowboarding. As I recall this book uses illustrations rather than photography. It's more of a skiers guide with an eye toward hard core skiing, nightlife and reasonably priced lodging.

I think "Top 50" would make the better gift because it is the more polished of the two and has a broader appeal.

I don't own "Where to Ski and Snowboard" but based on prickly's recommendation I'm going to add it to my collection.
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
I'm kind of obsessed with trail maps, so the guide needs to have those, any changes based on that criteria

thanks
mtnORbust
post #7 of 16

ski and snowboard Europe

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Originally Posted by steveturner View Post
Leocha is more wordy. There is more emphasis on off piste information and snowboarding. As I recall this book uses illustrations rather than photography. It's more of a skiers guide with an eye toward hard core skiing, nightlife and reasonably priced lodging.
I love the Leocha's ski and snowboard Europe. Yes, Leocha is more wordy but it reads like you're sitting in a bar talking to leocha and he's telling you his favorite parts of the resorts that he skied just the other day. During his "stories" he gives you some insider tips and trail suggestions. I think it's awesome and his suggestions are right on. I love the fact that he discusses off-piste. So many europeans do not even think about skiing off the trails that it is very hard to get information on this. He does a good job in this area. I also like the way that he lays out his suggestions by ability level. It's easy to skip to the part I am interested in.

I happened to meet the author at a recent ski expo. He was hawking his books. I was smiling the whole time I spoke to him becasue he spoke just like he wrote. I did mnetion to him that I was bumbed that the web site really cut back on the information it gives out. He hemmed and hawed but it basically came doen to people were using the web site and not buying the book and they were not making money. I guess I can understand that.

Anyways, if you are looking for some inside tips and reccomendations on a few resorts -this is your book.

http://www.skisnowboardeurope.com/index.html

btw - he has a new book (I think it's new) out on n. american resorts as well.

asland
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by mtnsORbust View Post
Hello there bears

I was just wondering what Euro ski guide book folks would recommend for a gift this holiday season. I really like the Ski North America book, and was hoping for something similar for Euro. I have limited my choices down, if you own, have read, or just browsed any of these books please chime in.

1)Where to Ski and Snowboard Worldwide: Reuters guide by Chris Gill (I know it will be redundant w/N. American resorts


2)Ski Europe: Best Skiing and Snowboarding at Europes top resorts by Charles Leocha

3)Top 50 Ski and Snowboard in Europe 2007 by Pat Sharples

Thanks in advance
mtnsORbust
I own all of these books. (Well, sold one back).

The Ski North America is perhaps the best (pics, maps, good descriptions) - but there is no Euro equivalent.

1. The book is excellent! The best information about European skiing!Includes piste maps and photos. Includes all the major (and many minor)Euro resorts (plus the entire )world - but with greater focus/pages on Europe. The best part - it criticizes as well as praised every resort. Pros and cons. The reviews describe snowfall, lines, terrain, etc. Very insightful. I love it! I own the 2005 and would like to update. Try Amazon UK to order it. (Shipping is expensive though).

2. This book is OK/good.
No maps. No pics. Just print.
Pretty good descriptions. But every resort is positively reviewed. A lover letter to each mountain, not a critique. Not useful comparing mountains.

Also, everything in the book is for free on this website. Everything is free!!
http://www.skisnowboardeurope.com/resorts.html
The above post thinks parts are deleted. Not true! Everything is the same. Everything is there. Compare Amazon read inside to website. It's the same!

I would avoid since there are no pics, maps and it is for free on the web.

3. This book is Awful! BAD bad Bad!!!!!
I cannot say enough bad things about this book. It is truly, truly awful!
I hate this book so much that I have to write about it. Here are the reasons:
  • The authors reviewed every resort during the season of 04/05. One season - that's it! If the resort did not have snow, they just skipped the terrain and said 'they will have to visit again.' Too bad Val Thorens had no snow when they visited. Or a bunch of others. Look of some of the pics - half the resorts have no snow cover since early season Europe was bad. Crazy!!!!
  • The authors have no experience in the Alps. They visited La Grave ONE DAY. And wrote a chapter about it. Unfortunately, they only got 2 runs in. Too bad for readers they could not tell you more. Insane!!!!
  • The photos are awful quality. They took their digital camera and took photos you or I would take. Dark & grainy. They took many pics of their friends getting drunk in bars. Dark and bizarre!!!!
  • Photos are repeated. The same picture of Tignes is used 4 times in the Tignes chapter which lasts 6 pages. What a joke!!!!
  • Some resorts are included over and over again. This is the Top 50 Ski Resorts! Courchevel 1650 (where his girlfriend owns a place), Courchevel 1850 and La Tania are all part of Courchevel - but use 3 of the top 50 places. Unfortunate since places like St. Moritz, Andermatt, Engelberg, Davos were left out! Crazy bad!!! Are they joking!!!!
This book is so bad!! So so bad!!! I sold mine used via Amazon. I felt bad selling to some sucker....
post #9 of 16

I eat crow

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Originally Posted by chrisc View Post
Pretty good descriptions. But every resort is positively reviewed. A lover letter to each mountain, not a critique. Not useful comparing mountains.

Also, everything in the book is for free on this website. Everything is free!!
http://www.skisnowboardeurope.com/resorts.html
The above post thinks parts are deleted. Not true! Everything is the same. Everything is there. Compare Amazon read inside to website. It's the same!

I would avoid since there are no pics, maps and it is for free on the web.
I went back to look over my book and compare it to the web site and you are correct. The same information.

I still stand by my thought that it is very good information. Many books review 100's of mountains. the author of this book skis and then chooses the best out of many. He reviews only a few mountains per country. His mountain picks is where he does his critiqueing to bring you the best. As far as maps, pics... it seems easy enough to get that anywhere on the web

I still think it's great info but save your money and go to the web site.
http://www.skisnowboardeurope.com/resorts.html
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by mtnsORbust View Post
Hello there bears

I was just wondering what Euro ski guide book folks would recommend for a gift this holiday season. I really like the Ski North America book, and was hoping for something similar for Euro. I have limited my choices down, if you own, have read, or just browsed any of these books please chime in.

1)Where to Ski and Snowboard Worldwide: Reuters guide by Chris Gill (I know it will be redundant w/N. American resorts


2)Ski Europe: Best Skiing and Snowboarding at Europes top resorts by Charles Leocha

3)Top 50 Ski and Snowboard in Europe 2007 by Pat Sharples

Thanks in advance
mtnsORbust
I do not know number 2 or 3.

The competition in the UK is between number 1 and 'The Good Ski Guide' which the authors of number 1 previously edited.

I really like 'Where to ski and snowboard'. For the past couple of years I got free copies of it, on the basis of trip reports I submitted. I also got free copies of the 'Good Ski Guide' on the same basis in the 1990s. However, the Good Ski Guide was getting rather tired and WTSS is far better.

Bear in mind that both of the books I mention have a UK perspective on things. A North American may prefer something written from their point of view.

You may wish to check the website to get a taster.
http://www.wtss.co.uk/jsp/index.jsp
post #11 of 16
Since we're doing book reviews, I'd like to throw in one about Dream Season, which purports to be a guide to heli and snowcat skiing. Please, do not buy this book. It's not even a book, really, just a collection of copy/paste quotes off heli and cat operators' websites. The authors admit that they've only heliskied with a total of three operators, one of which they are affiliated with. As far as I can tell, they've never catskied. The book is full of typos, expletives and direct quotes from operators (right down to the first person plural, eg, "we offer..."). Don't buy this book, don't buy this book, don't buy this book.
post #12 of 16

you've convinced me

ok, so I for one have been convinced and want to buy a copy of Where to Ski and Snowboard.

Where can I buy it? I'll buy new or used. suggestions?

I only seem to be able to find it for sale at amazon.uk
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Where-Snowbo.../dp/0953637182
post #13 of 16
You can also buy WTSS from the Ski Club of Great Britain

https://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/es...sports+Bo oks

There is a deal where you get the price back if you book a package holiday via Ski Solutions. I am not sure if that would be relevant in North America though.
post #14 of 16

buy Where to Ski and Snowboard in north america

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Originally Posted by Latchigo View Post
You can also buy WTSS from the Ski Club of Great Britain

https://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/es...sports+Bo oks

There is a deal where you get the price back if you book a package holiday via Ski Solutions. I am not sure if that would be relevant in North America though.
Clarify- I live in North america. It seems amazingly expensive to buy and ship Where to Ski and Snowboard from england. unfortunaelty, I already booked my vacation so cannot take advantage of the ski solutions deal.

Anyone know where I, or the origonal poster, can buy Where to Ski and Snowboard in north america?

asland
post #15 of 16
I would just buy it from Amazon UK -- from a cheaper reseller. And suck up the shipping.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-lis...555509-1882224

Maybe you can find an older copy in the uS floating around. Start googling.
post #16 of 16

Buying Where to Ski and Snowboard

Hi everyone

I'm one of the editors and publishers of WTSS. Glad to read the many recommendations on this forum, and sorry to hear you guys across the pond find it difficult to buy. The best way is probably to go to Amazon.co.uk and hit the "Used and new" link, which takes you to other retailers selling at lower prices than Amazon. That route involves carriage to the US of £7, which should be no prob given that you are paying only about £11 for the book. That total of £18 is only £1 more than the UK bookstore price.

FYI: We produced an edition tailored to the US market a few years back, with all the spellings and English usage changed and the UK ads taken out. Sadly, it was published a few days after 9/11 and didn't do too well, despite publication by the book arm of Ski/Skiing magazines. We still entertain hopes of doing it again and making it work. We certainly think American skiers focused on the major resorts in North America and Europe stand to learn a lot from our book. So if anyone knows a likely distributor/publisher ...

Chris Gill
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