Originally Posted by Aceman
This is where I'm confused...
I'm a patroller. You're saying We should enforce "speed". How fast? How are we going to enforce it? I know some people who call patrollers "rent-a-cop". We're there to prevent what we can. But, much like cops are tocar accidents, we can't prevent everything. What do you want us to do?
It seems like a lot of people want the patrol to ENFORCE rules when they talk online. But if we do it to THEM when they're skiing, then they bitch at us, the management, and on here.
This isn't directly at viking. I hope you all understand where I'm coming from.
Originally Posted by skiingman
Ski Patrol isn't law enforcement, and it really shouldn't try to be.
I take none of this personally, and if you read my post carefully you will note that the amibiguity of resort's response to these issues is clear. They all want to sell more alcohol and they don't want to piss off customers who are skiing recklessly. Most patrollers are ski area employees, and have to act in accord with their resort's policies.
Unfortunately, the only thing you can do to a person who is creating a hazard on the slopes is to punch their ticket. If you read my whole analysis carefully, intoxicated skiers and out of control skies are not "natural hazards" that are typically removed under most states liability codes. In other words, the ski area bears some responsiblity to enforce the rules. If it does not, the ski area is negligent and could be liable for the harms caused.
I don't know who else should enforce rules by pulling people's tickets at an area if not the patrol. If you have any other suggestions I am all ears.
Apparently law enforcement was called in in this case. Both the father and the boarder in this case were charged with 3d degree assault, which is a criminal charge in the State of Colorado. If you hit someone while drunk and kill them, at a minimum you would be guilty of manslaughter. So it is not entirely out of the question that you could be convicted of criminal offenses while on skis.
In closing I will note that for a long time boating was similarly free from law enforcement supervision. This has changed big time in many jurisdictions. In Jersey you now have to take a boating saftey course if you want to operate anything larger than a canoe. And there are criminal penalties if you are driving a boat while intoxicated. Being a drunk is really not an excuse for criminal conduct in most states any more, drunk drivers are doing jail time. And most major league ball parks have stopped selling alcohol after the 7th inning. Is someone going to have to die for ski resorts to take their responsibility seriously here?
By the way, I always listen to and respect the patrol anywhere I am skiing. I'm not saying that you need to arrest anyone, but if people are not following the rules, I think that I, and many others on this site, would applaud if you pull people's tickets.