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seth vicious or gotama

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
im looking to buy a new ski that will perform well in the backcountry...trees...powder...crud...and tolerable on the groomed

ive narrowed it down to the volkl gotama or the k2 seth vicious

which would be better?
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post #4 of 27
Seth's are heavy for backcountry
Got's are fatter

easy decision
post #5 of 27
I don't think the Seths are that heavy. They are lighter than all my other skis.
post #6 of 27
so if you add up the posts so far. weve essentially said nothing. 1-1 +1-1=0
where are you skiing? east or west?
post #7 of 27
I own both (179 seth v. and 183 got). They perform differently from one another. The seth is a very good all mountain ski-its strength is short turn radius, forgiving even in bumps because of soft tip/tail, good carver given its width and good in the park. The got has better float, is stiffer and therefore better in chop/crud, and somewhat longer radius turns. Neither are the lightest skis on the market for bc. You'll enjoy either one.
post #8 of 27
You're asking for a lot from one ski. The Goat will be better in rough crud, deep pow, the wide open spaces; passable on groomed if you get it a touch short. Trees, maybe. Bumps, no. The Seth will be better in tight quarters, groomed. So perhaps make some priorities. If you can't, then buy the Seth. It's easier to ski a turny ski in deep stuff than ski a open country ski in tight quarters, sez I.
post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 
thanks for all the input.....but i think i should add some more detailsabout where i ski and wat i already hav

i already own the public enemy....which is a great all mountain ski

i ski mostly at mammoth....but also quite a bit in utah, whistler, and a little in colorado

what im really looking for is a powder/crud oriented ski that can handle well on the steeps but is also tolerable on the groomed
post #10 of 27
Uh, if you already own one of the two skis you've narrowed it down to, doesn't that make this thread unnecessary? :
post #11 of 27
I own the seth. It is my everyday ski. I think it absolutely rails the groomers (that being said, its a fat ski, not a carving ski. But it definately fits under the catagory tolerable.), rips the steeps, and surfs the pow. They turn tight when I want them to and they are also not afraid to open it up on wide open faces. My only complaint with it is sometimes the tail can get a little caught up in the tight tree steeps and be hard to skid. (I mounted at +3).

That being said, I have never used the gotamas, but I have a buddy that owns them, he absolutely loves them. I'll let the gotama users speak now, but I don't think you could go wrong with either ski. I love my seths.
post #12 of 27
Atomic Janak = Sugar Daddy but just slightly softer and designed for BC - both very good at powder and crud - more of a pow, soft snow specific ski than the Seth... and extremely light!

btw - not intending to muddy the waters -you already own a park, twin tip ski and you said you wanted a BC, pow, crud specific tool...
post #13 of 27
Thread Starter 
I appreciate all of this input

im startin to lean towards the seth's but am still not 100 percent sure
post #14 of 27
Seth is one of the best skis I've tried. I'll have a pair this year no doubt.
post #15 of 27
Lean towards this - MANTRA
post #16 of 27
Originally Posted by LennysDriveIn View Post
Lean towards this - MANTRA
why? he wants a backcountry ski. I think he shoud get the seth but there is no reason to get the mantra over the gotma that I can see.
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i agree, for a pure backcountry ski, id go fatter than the mantra, i love mine, but i use the in bounds more, out west, but still have to hit the unavoidable groomer. Plus the mantra is heavy, not the best trait for a hiking or skinning ski
post #19 of 27
I was given a pair that sat in the garage for a year. On a whim, I mounted them up one morning, and went out to enjoy this very versatile ski. Unfortunately, I hammered them so hard last year (edges, core shots) that I picked up a pair of Gots this fall based purely on reviews. Granted I haven't skied the Gotamas on the snow they were intended for, but they just lack the sidecut that I really enjoy on the Seths. One drawback on the Seths is that they tend to be a little too turny on steep bottomless higher density snow (think wind loading in mid March) when you just want to really open it up, but man can these skis rail. Given the perfect wind pack that you see in Mammoth, I'd go with the Seths.
post #20 of 27
what gotamas? the 07's have more sidecut.
post #21 of 27
Thread Starter 
yeah id for sure get the 07's.....
post #22 of 27
Originally Posted by torontonycz14 View Post
yeah id for sure get the 07's.....
I should have quoted before. RIP mentioned he's ridden both, but didn't like the small sidecut on the gotama. Hence my statement that the 07's have more sidecut.
I have older gotamas and also don't like the sidecut on firmer snow. Pretty weak and they pretty much just go straight. In soft snow however, the shape is brilliant.
Ever lay thigh-deep trenches? the gotama does that, but wouldn't doubt the k2 does as well.
post #23 of 27
Wow, can't believe what I'm reading here about the Gotamas from some folks. I picked up a pair of last year's (05/06) 183s, mounted some Solly S912s on them and thrashed them all over the mountain at Crystal last Saturday. Conditions were highly variable. Packed powder on the North facing heavily skied slopes, sun baked mushy powder in others, 1-2" crust over boot deep consolidated powder in some of the tree runs, a few (too) small stashes of light, untracked powder, a couple of icy/hardpack scoured ridge traverses, nice smooth groomers, and some reasonably soft moguls.

After hitting the moguls on Grubstake I was heard to yell "Don't ever want to hear anyone say the Gotama is not a bump ski!" Okay, I know they're not going to handle bumps like a skinny noodle designed for that purpose, but they blew me away with how good they were in just about every condition. They can be made to turn very quickly, they are lighter than a lot of other skis (though heavier than most favored for true BC skis), they have a very forgiving flex, and yet they'll still hold a good edge on hard & icy snow and through the bumps.

Yes, this is all relative. They are not as quick a turner as my Mojo 90s which I'm sure aren't as quick as a Metron or an AC4, but they are darned close to the Mojos and it's actually easier to shorten up the turn radius on the Goats with some forward pressure than it is on the Mojos. They Gots also ski short due to the huge tail, though that's changed this year. It looks like they added some sidecut to make up for a bit of additional stiffness.

The Gotama could very easily be my quiver of one ski, and had I given them a fair tryout last year they probably would be. They are the lifted 4x4 of skis. Not the quickest or best handling, but go anywhere and do anything and surprisingly good in situations where you wouldn't expect a ski that fat to be.

That said, I can offer you absolutely no insight into how they compare to the Seths, sorry. I just had to come to the defense of the Gots which surprised and impressed.
post #24 of 27
Originally Posted by beyond View Post
You're asking for a lot from one ski. The Goat will be better in rough crud, deep pow, the wide open spaces; passable on groomed if you get it a touch short. Trees, maybe. Bumps, no. The Seth will be better in tight quarters, groomed. So perhaps make some priorities. If you can't, then buy the Seth. It's easier to ski a turny ski in deep stuff than ski a open country ski in tight quarters, sez I.
eh this post has some miss info in it. Gotamas will rail groomer if you have the guts to go that fast, the edge hold is great and I can really lay into them when going around 50 mph. Bumps my 183s snake though bumps run in alta/bird pretty damn good. When they get to tight I just start doubling bumps. Tight chute gotama are light and soft they work again.

The stuff they rim.eally accel in yes is powder where the float and agility is awesome,and crud they can rally through. For me it nearly a one ski quiver, I have the old less sidecut verision and IMO skis dont get much better than this. The Volkls will do anything a "skilled" pilot will ask of them, most skis I have skied cant make that claim.

As for the K2 they ski similar just at a low speed range or for a lighter skier. The K2 are easier on groomers but I wouldnt call them better. They are just better for most people cause the speed I like to ski at are crazy fast on groomers. Also the K2s are better in tight places if your an edgy skier, if you know how to ski a flatter ski the gotama will be quicker in tight places.
The last thing the K2 were better at was park skiing and jump and such, but they were pretty bad in crud and that what kept me away.

Short answer "sac" up and get the volkls trust me
post #25 of 27
Thread Starter 
thanx everyone....looks like im gonna go with the gotama.....it seems to fit me the best...

now for sizing......ive heard from a lot of people that i shouldnt buy hte 176's cuz they r gonna ski much shorter...and that i should buy the 183's

as im 5'11-6 150lbs......im definately thinking the 183....

what do you guys think.....183 or 176

reminder...i ski on 174 public enemies which r perfect...could even go a bit longer
post #26 of 27
Eh, I vote for the Scratch BC:


Similar footprint to both vicous and gotama, and for me it's a better ski, especially if you can get last year's model. It'll do everything you are looking for and more.
post #27 of 27
I'm 5'9", 170 and ski hard and fast. I ride the 183 got with a fritche, thinking I'll go 190 with the next gotama as i recently scored a 186 jet fuel for nonwaist-deep days. If it's a one-ski quiver, I'd recommend the 183 for your size. however, if this is strictly your pow ski, 190.
183 is a good resort ski that I wish had I had more tip out of on those big days. Now that I have a mid-fat that rails, I want my gotama to be 190.

just a thought...
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