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Patagonia Wool 3 or Capilene 4 ?

post #1 of 14
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Considering base layer for best comfort and warmth. Not sure which will keep me warmer, but also comfortable when I begin to sweat.

Plan on using one of the above as a base layer, Patagonia R2 Vest, and Pat. Dimension softshell? What are your thoghts? Ski in Washington State mainly (Alpental).
post #2 of 14
Rule of thumb - Capilene if you're going to be working and sweating hard, wool if you're going to be stop and go with maybe some light sweating. Capilene's primary property is how well it wicks/moves a lot of moisture away from your body. Wool feels warmer especially when not working hard, but tends to absorb moisture rather than moving it away. Also, wool tends to not stink so bad, which I find helpful if I'm wearing the undies for multiple days.

And select either the 3 weight or 4 depending on how much insulation you want. I'm not sure why your choices are Wool 3 or Cap 4. Pick the fabric you want in the weight you want.

For lift-assisted downhill skiing without a lot of hiking, I'd recommend wool. If you find yourself sweating a lot, take off a layer. For day-trip bc skiing with a lot of hiking/skinning I'd recommend Capilene.
post #3 of 14
wool = itchy:
post #4 of 14
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wool = itchy:
A friend of mine wears a Patagonia wool top for cool-weather cycling. She swears it doesn't itch. It's merino wool (whatever that means); maybe there's something in it to reduce the itchiness?
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wool = itchy:
I have an Icebreaker Wool top that I wore for 45+ long days last year that never itched or stank. Good merino wool is the bomb.
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A friend of mine wears a Patagonia wool top for cool-weather cycling. She swears it doesn't itch. It's merino wool (whatever that means); maybe there's something in it to reduce the itchiness?
Merino is finer and smoother than typical wool:
http://www.icebreaker.com/site/miracle_merino.html

Some people can't wear wool because of sensitivity, but most people wearing merino wool don't feel any itchiness. And manufacturers treat it to further smooth out the fibers. I've got long underwear made with wool by Icebreaker and Smartwool and it's great stuff with no itchiness. The Icebreaker stuff is particularly nice. Find it in a store and try it on.
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Merino is finer and smoother than typical wool:
http://www.icebreaker.com/site/miracle_merino.html

Some people can't wear wool because of sensitivity, but most people wearing merino wool don't feel any itchiness. And manufacturers treat it to further smooth out the fibers. I've got long underwear made with wool by Icebreaker and Smartwool and it's great stuff with no itchiness. The Icebreaker stuff is particularly nice. Find it in a store and try it on.
I wear this stuff. //http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=17928&memberId=12500226

I wear it skiing as well as cold weather mtbiking. It doesn't itch because the wool is in the outer layer. It wicks, plus it will keep you warm even when it's soaking wet. And it's even on sale.
post #8 of 14
I love my smartwool and icebreaker thermals. I think they wick just as good as my capilene stuff I don't use anymore, and best of all they don't smell terrible when you sweat (ie, you need to wear them the next day).
post #9 of 14
My Capaline mostly stays in the closet since I discovered how warm and comfortable merino wool is. It wicks just as well too, and it really doesn't get stinky. I have many pieces. Ibex, Smatwool and Ice Breaker are all great - I don't have a favorite brand, just favorite garmets.
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 

What are your favorite pieces and how do you layer?

Say, for 20-30 degrees alpine skiing. Thanks, much appreciated.

I may go with Ibex Zepher Zip for base layer under a Polartech vest and soft shell. Also considering the 3/4 johns from Ibex under a softshell pant.

Do you prefer a light weight merion wool base layer against your skin versus a midweight, or does it matter that much for feel?
post #11 of 14
I own wool 3/4 length long underwear (Ibex) which I love, but I can't wear the tops. I tried on the patagonia wool 4, and while I appreciate how soft it is, it still makes me itch. I think it just has to do with your skin sensitivity. I have to admit that when I take off the pants and smartwool socks after a day of skiing, my skin feels much better, but it seems more tolerable on my lower half.

I really WANT to like the wool, but again, I think you're best trying it, wearing it around the store for awhile, and seeing if you feel it. With synthetics, I'm 100% comfortable.
post #12 of 14
no silk users?

I love it. silk base, then merino is my new love. I found sierratradingpost.com for affordable silk and merino and after riding with it this winter I decided I'm going to stock up this summer and fall again. I can't believe I never used it before.
post #13 of 14
Patagonia Capilene 4 all the way. I have a Cap4 pullover (expedition weight) that is the single most trusted piece of clothing I have. I've been wearing the thing on the slopes and in the hills since 1992 (!) and it is still intact and functioning perfectly. I swear, that stuff is amazing.
post #14 of 14
I've found this Damart stuff to wick better than capilene, too bad they don't offer the one piece Union suit anymore.The pro football players used to wear this years ago.http://www.damartusa.com/
Here's a Merino wool union suit.http://www.vermontcountrystore.com/j...hid=in ceptor
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