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What skis for my 16yo little bro?

post #1 of 14
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My little brother's looking to get some new skis. He's around 5'8" or so, pretty stocky -- probably weighs 180lbs. or more. He's only been skiing 3 or 4 years, 10-15 days a year max, and I haven't skied with him since his first year (I'm not a very good big brother, I guess).

I really have no idea how good a skier he is, but I'd guess he's low to mid intermediate. The best description I could get from my stepdad was that "he isn't quite as good as he thinks he is."

This year he'll have a season pass at Snow Trails, in Ohio. So he needs something for low-angle groomers/ice that he can improve on for the next couple years. I don't think he's really into the park scene, but what the hell else is there to do in Ohio once you've mastered the groomers?

Anyhow, I'm a total gearhead, but I don't really have any idea what to recommend for an intermediate on groomers. He's actually pretty into it, which I think is damned cool.

What should we get him?
post #2 of 14
Fisher RX8's have been will reviewed here, but not much for the park. If he could stand a blue pair of skis, about the best deal going is at levelninesports.com. They have head lighting (head mosnster 70's) at a great price. You might try the 170 cm if you have long runs and he likes to go fast with GS turns go for the 177's. (since he is growing 177 might be better?)
post #3 of 14

Part II

They also have the XRC 800 for a good price. Probably to much ski for him now but if he really wants to get better this would be a great ski.
post #4 of 14
You should aski him personally what he likes to ski. Cause even if he isnt into the park scene now he will probably will be. If you have to ski groomed stuff its either park or racing. So unless he is a racer I would get him a good all mountian twin. 4frnt STL in a 183 sounds really good for him. I have the ski and I weigh just a little less than him, they are a great park/all mountain ski
post #5 of 14
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This the best y'all got?

He likes the idea of a twintip, but isn't really sure beyond that.
post #6 of 14
As I already said on TGR, a long twin will make him WORSE, not better at this point. He needs to learn to ski before he screws around in the park, otherwise he'll either end up hurting himself or becoming a park rat who can't buy a turn. Atomic Izor, Dynastar Contact, or Volkl 5-star/S5. Look around for a previous-year 5-star, the design hasn't changed all that much.

He can jump around in the park just fine on a carving ski, but obviously I wouldn't try landing switch. I don't think he'll be trying any switch moves at the low intermediate level anyway. :
post #7 of 14
There's a lot of skis that will be fine for your bro. IMO, since I ski in Ohio too (MRM, Perfect), I think narrow waisted skis with a medium or short turn radius are the way to go. For example, I got my 14 y.o. boy, level 4 or 5, XRC 1400s in a 156. He likes the park too. However, I told him no rails with those skis period.:

The XRC 800 in a 170 is good, last years XRC 1400 in a 170 would be good too. The Fischer RX8 is a great ski for around here too. There are some Elan models that would be good also. Check with dawgcatching and see what he has left in his closeout sale. I've purchased our last 3 pairs of ski from him and gotten great deals.

If your bro decides he really wants to try some extreme stuff in the park, just have him get rentals to he doesn't tear up his good skis. Rails can destroy the bottoms and rip the edges right out of the skis. Table tops with carpet of plastic aren't too bad though.
post #8 of 14
If he wants something a little more cool, I'd go with the K2 Public Enemy in 169. Although the PE is a twintip, it is actually quite a capable all-mountain ski.

If he doesn't care as much about image, go with a carving ski in about 165-170.

Just keep in mind that being happy with the image his equipment gives will be as important as the performance of the equipment itself. At 16, if he feels like a douche, he's not gonna enjoy himself.
post #9 of 14
get him a twin for sure, unless he is skiing powder all the time or racing, there is no reason not to. Twinned skis work just like regular skis except for the tail is turned up, a turned up tail only hinders a ski by sometimes getting hung up in pow, crud or taking away some of the speed potential. Plus it just gives him the option of park if he wants. Plus twin tips are often a lot cheaper.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
As I already said on TGR, a long twin will make him WORSE, not better at this point. He needs to learn to ski before he screws around in the park, otherwise he'll either end up hurting himself or becoming a park rat who can't buy a turn. Atomic Izor, Dynastar Contact, or Volkl 5-star/S5. Look around for a previous-year 5-star, the design hasn't changed all that much.

He can jump around in the park just fine on a carving ski, but obviously I wouldn't try landing switch. I don't think he'll be trying any switch moves at the low intermediate level anyway. :
Who said anything about a *long* twin? I don't really see him spending all his time in the park, just the general versatility of a park ski appeals to him. I doubt he'll be going huge soon, and I'm not sure why he wouldn't try switch moves at the low intermediate level. If he wants to ski in the fricking park he'll ski in the fricking park. It doesn't make any sense to discourage him by not getting him twintips. That's retarded. He obviously won't be skiing any super awesome doublediamonds or anything, he's not quite that rad.

I've owned the 5stars, and i can virtually guarantee that he'll have more fun on a snappy twintip. And really, with the right park ski he'll be able to carve just fine on the groomers.

All that said, We're just looking for a variety of suggestions. Next?
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by philT
4frnt STL in a 183 sounds really good for him.
Hence the long twin reference.
post #12 of 14
Has everyone in this thread recommended a ski for hejeckel's brother given his likely ability and preference of terrain - or are they recommending skis that THEY would choose to ski on? Remember, we are discussing an low intermediate that is looking for a ski that will offer improvements on groomers (not steep ones either). Also - did anyone catch that this guy is skiing in Ohio? From what I understand the mountains of Ohio resemble something of the side of a creek bed almost certainly covered in man-made ice that you can bounce bullets off for a majority of the season. Is this the environment for an 80mm waisted long twin tip attached to the feet of a low level skier? If you think so, you should probably re-investigate your definition of a learning ski.

I do not feel that a ski with an up-turned tail should be ruled out, but a park specific twin tip ski is not going to provide Many mid-level carvers and freeride skis are going to provide enough of a turned up tail for this level of skier to do anything in the terrain park... How many internediates do you see taking off and landing switch? Better yet, how many intermediates do you see that can do any sort of tricks in a park at all? A more versatile ski will give him the opportunity to do more than just the park, and by the time he is skilled enough to really throw it down in the park (if he even chooses to) it will be time for new skis anyway because he will have likely outgrown their capability.

Personally, I would go for softer carving skis like were recommended above; but that is really showing my bias toward carving skis for learning on. That said, possibly the best route to go is with a softer all-terrain/all-mountain ski that has a turned up tail. A turned up tail offers two things. One is the ability to ride switch if the mood strikes you, and the other (more important for intermediates) is that it will release from a turn MUCH easier. When you start getting into a full twin however, the tails start catching on each other, and really becoming a hinderance for a low level skier when they are trying to make anything that resembles a turn.

Later

GREG
post #13 of 14
I know plenty of kids who started out on full twin park specific skis and ride them just fine. My younger cousin for one, his first skis were a pair of fujatives. They are forgiving and ski fine all over the mountain. The fact is skiing groomers aint that hard and for kids atleast aint that fun. So like i saw with my cousin and many other younger kids who ive seen skiing, they get board of groomers fast. And once you get board of groomers you either yardsale down the off piste runs untill you can ski them or as my cousin did start throwing down in the park. If this kid has a seasons pass at a place where off piste skiing is not an option I bet he will be chillen in the park all the time. Plus you can get down the mountain just fine everywhere else on a small hill with park skis.

The reason I recomended the 4frnt stl's earlier is because they are soft enough for a low level intermediate but stiff enough to handle 180lbs riding on more than just the park. Also they are skinny and lightweight (no sense getting a super fat twin like a seth) good for learning in the park, the size recomendation came from his weight compared to mine maybe I was off base a little.

Now Ill be the first to admit I suck in the park, I can throw 3's, switch 3's on a good day, slide some rails, slide boxes spin on to boxes but thats about it. That is because I get my fix finding the steepest run on the mountain and charging it, if I had to ski on a flat little hill with all groomers you can be sure I would be killing my self in the park trying to learn cab 10's or something.

My main point is this kid is a kid, He will most likely be skiing park because that is what kind of things kids do. If he can ski down a groomed run out there then he has a solid enough base to start jumping and there is not much more to learn outside of the park except fine tuning his technique, which honestly would most likely bore him into the park or out of skiing.
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
Hence the long twin reference.
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Thanks for the input, others.

We'll see what he gets, I'm just making sure I'm not leaving out any good candidates. Really this all gets forwarded on to him and he ultimately makes the decision.
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