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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
But this is a very bad demo. Whilst I understand the context and the intent and commend the owner of the site for having a go at a difficult topic the dynamics of the demonstration are woeful.

post #2 of 12

Please don't be sorry

Oh man,

Thank you so very much for reading my article. As I'm often fond of saying, I have the utmost respect for authors because the job is so difficult. I humbly submit that my writing proves this point succinctly. As you have accurately observed, the technique used by the demonstrator is far from perfect. I chose to use this demonstration for several reasons:
1) I was the only capable videographer available at the time
2) I did not have enough time available to do multiple takes until the demo quality was improved (you may notice that daylight was fast disappearing)
3) The level of skill displayed by the skier was comparable to the target audience
4) The demonstration as is allowed me to crudely make the points I wanted to make (i.e. it was better than nothing) even though the demonstrator was not doing exactly what I asked for.

If you would be gracious enough to provide me with a higher quality example, I'll gladly update the article and give you credit. Unfortunately, the pay is fairly low. So far, all I've received is a bunch of "thank you"s.

For background information, the demonstration is from an article in the "Premium Article Collection" section of Epic (must be a supporter to view), but you can find it elsewhere for free if you look hard enough. It was intended to capture and add to the essence of the same "lift conversations" and "grocery store conversations" that I had been finding myself involved in about once a month. The article is designed to entice former straight ski skiers back into the sport and to help recent returnees make the technique adaptations that will make the most out of shape skis. As crude as it is, up till now, the five people that have admitted to reading it said that it was helpful. 5 out of 6 ain't bad! I've thought about polishing the thing up, but strangely enough the feedback I've received to date has asked for more information along this theme, so I've been working on part 2 and part 3 instead. They promise to be as ugly as the first part unless I get rescued by someone with some talent.

I do truly appreciate the feedback. You have an excellent eye.
post #3 of 12
Some threads just call for a TGR-esque response. This would definitely be one of them.
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
As I don't visit your continent on a regular basis I cannot help with your video. My concern is more about your personal credibility. A bad video kills a thousands words. There is no way someone with your credentials should present such badly executed movements and demostrative dynamics as an example.

Ski technique and Instruction should always be open to debate but never corrupted by bad demonstrations.

What is TGR and why is it relevant?
post #5 of 12
Originally Posted by therusty View Post
Oh man,

4) The demonstration as is allowed me to crudely make the points I wanted to make (i.e. it was better than nothing) even though the demonstrator was not doing exactly what I asked for.

So far, all I've received is a bunch of "thank you"s.

I do truly appreciate the feedback. You have an excellent eye.
I found it very helpful and I have used it. Simple with no distractions, it gets right to the point. No doubt, it's primitive.
post #6 of 12
Thanks Paul - this is the side of the debate that I am most concerned about. As bad as the demonstration is, does it work? Up till now, the feedback I had gotten is that it did.

Bad video killing a thousand words is an interesting concept. One thing I've discovered in my years of teaching is that a demonstration is rarely perfect. Where does one draw the line between perfect demonstration and one that is so bad that it should not be used? For sure when the demonstration does not show what was intended to be shown, that is on the other side of the line. With all of my experience working with videos of skiing, I do know how hard it is to focus on the good aspects of video. Yet maybe my experience doing so gives me a bias that others are capable of seeing the good aspects in bad video. Maybe that is not as true as I'd like it to be.

Man -> One thing I do know for sure is that your location does not prevent you from helping me with the video. The item you have critiqued is an animated gif. It is a series of still video frames strung together into a single picture. The format of the video used in the production technique is irrelevant to the production technique. Although it is tedious, it is a simple process to produce. If you've got access to a ski slope, a victim, a videographer, a video camera, and a computer with video editing capability, you can help me make this article better.

"Someone with your credentials"? I'm flattered, but I'm not that good. I teach part time, I'm only level 2 certified and I've never been paid for authoring an article. My little Internet pieces are a stepping stone in that direction, but I may never get there. My authoring skills are that bad. My expertise is getting the most out of what I have to work with. Given that this article has helped some readers, that's all the authoring credibility I care about. If you're worried that the skiing in the picture is not representative of a level 2 instructor, rest assured that the skier in the picture is not a level 2 instructor. If you're worried that my on slope teaching credibility is negatively impacted by my authoring, I'm willing to take that risk in order to grow.
post #7 of 12
Won't get in the middle of the Motion Analysis and the quality of the video, but www.therusty.com is a cool website and worth a look.
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
I think you will find that I have praised the effort of therusty in presenting what he loves to all via the Internet. He is far braver than most.

My MAIN point is that demonstrations are far more important in skiing than descriptions and that is why, even if one is only attempting to show a single movement i.e. the rolling of the feet onto the edge, the whole picture should be as perfect as possible. If you watch the initial roll of the feet you will see a messy weight transfer to the inside ski that unbalances centre of mass of the demonstrator and causes a diversion of the skis. This is fixed a little further along as the demonstrator re-centres by aligning back over the lateral centre of the skis and the skis start to converge again. This quick fix however is aided by the slack body, heel heavy stance and low and back, dragging hands.

The end result is that it is unclear what is being demonstrated so the demonstrator has to add lines and text to create the picture. Holistically speaking.

IMHO the correct movements and stance should create the picture alone.

The demonstration of any skiing dynamic should ALWAYS be accompanied by the total sum of all parts being in sync. Feet, movement, hips, shoulders, head and hands form the whole movement, not just a little unbalanced waggle of the feet under a lazy bar room stance.

So, whilst I could indeed produce a correct clip of the demo, it would be much more advantageous to the demonstrators career, credibility and overall skiing to go back to the hill and perfect his demonstrations.

A picture tells a thousand words and the picture this demonstration shows is one of slack undisciplined body and jerky unbalanced feet movements. i.e. more care factor required.

Think of my critic as coming from an examiner. An examiner that wants YOU to pass and become the best skier your possibly can.

Epicski places itself out here in Internet land as being a place for ski instructors to present their knowledge and skills so why not strive for perfection instead of lazy mediocrity.

Happy skiing, don’t sweat it, fix it.
post #9 of 12
Kind words. Excellent MA. Hopefully, I will have time this season to work with the demonstrator to improve his skiing, but it will be years before he is a level 2 candidate. Teaching in 90 minutes or less sessions, I rarely achieve perfection in my students, but I can occasionally fix things. I don't disagree with your main point about demonstrations in on hill teaching. I do disagree with your implied conclusion that the article was not worth publishing because the demonstrations could have been better. My offer stands if you want to help fix the problem.

I personally view Epicski as a place to share information. I'm here to help other people and to learn. I approach these tasks striving for neither lazy mediocrity nor perfection. I care not one whit how others view my knowledge and skills. I do care about results. Thanks for the suggestions. Hopefully I will achieve even better results in the future. That I do strive for.
post #10 of 12
He's only killing ~ 12 words, but anyone that cares should get the point. Find a moderate hill and practice the principle shown and written about...
post #11 of 12
This is the 21st century, distance means nothing with the Internet. E-mail him a clip so he can fix it up.
post #12 of 12
Rusty, i looked at the clip and it demoes what you were trying to demo. Good work!
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