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post #31 of 49
I wrote this review last year. http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=39296

Since then I have fitted the Zipfits to a Flexon shell with even better results. The open tongue of the Flexon allows me to insert my foot and liner into the shell as easy a stepping into a pair of loafers. {The Langes were so stiff I used two vise grips to pry apart the forefoot overlap.) Great liner, no downside as far as I can discern. gordo
post #32 of 49
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post
I didn't see his posts on ZipFit liners. What was his feedback?
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...t#post60553 3 post #50
post #33 of 49
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
Interesting.

Jeff was the one who suggested ZipFit, a foam liner, or heel padding (not sure if the order he suggested them inferred the order he would recommend the fixes, but that's how I read it).

I think I'm pretty aggressively downsized in the HR. I mean I crunch the front with my toes standing straight and they pull back the proper amount when I flex forward. I don't think I could go another size smaller.
If the boot is the correct size and you have a race fit, i think that you need a boot with a narrower heel. IMO plug and semi-plug boots work best with <1 finger shell fit.
FWIW, my foot is 271-272mm long, 99-100mm wide and i have a UK5 HR Top Fuel. My foot is touching the shell everywhere when the liner is removed and my big toe is touching the front even when i flex. I have a 0mm shell fit. If i try to push my foot forward i have 2-3mm shell fit. This is the only way to have a relatively narrow heel in the HR. If i got the next bigger size (which i tried on) i had slightly more than 1 finger behind my heel. This is the size that most people buy IMO. The heel is defintely wider and i can tell you that the difference is huge. This is why JEff said that the HR has a medium fit throughout.
The HR is, in fact, a semi-plug. It has the Dobie Pro last with a shock absorbing zeppa and a front spoiler.
My boot is unbearable with the stock liner. I have a very thin lace-up liner that i use. It is one size bigger than the shell. Without this liner the boot would require grinding in many areas.

If you want a boot with a tighter heel i would look at the Atomic CS or Lange semi-plugs. These boots are very different,though...If you want an upright stance they will work only with some modification and the plastic compound for the Atomic is different. It is "gummy" and this affects the performance. They are all good boots but ski well only for the right skier.
post #34 of 49
So, I'm not sure which thread to post this in at this point....

Noodler, how did your zipfits effect the boot removal process at the ER?
post #35 of 49
Thread Starter 
unless i misread something (which is entirely possible) i was under the impression that they removed Noodler's boot on the slope. of course he'd be better equipped to answer this (and it is still a valid question regardless of where they indeed did remove the boot).

post #36 of 49
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
unless i misread something (which is entirely possible) i was under the impression that they removed Noodler's boot on the slope. of course he'd be better equipped to answer this (and it is still a valid question regardless of where they indeed did remove the boot).


think your right, just being lazy with the typing
post #37 of 49
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Originally Posted by sywsyw View Post
If the boot is the correct size and you have a race fit, i think that you need a boot with a narrower heel. IMO plug and semi-plug boots work best with <1 finger shell fit.
FWIW, my foot is 271-272mm long, 99-100mm wide and i have a UK5 HR Top Fuel. My foot is touching the shell everywhere when the liner is removed and my big toe is touching the front even when i flex. I have a 0mm shell fit. If i try to push my foot forward i have 2-3mm shell fit. This is the only way to have a relatively narrow heel in the HR. If i got the next bigger size (which i tried on) i had slightly more than 1 finger behind my heel.
This fit doesn't sound like like it would work very well for non-racer types. In fact it sounds like someone's idea of a punishment.
post #38 of 49
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Originally Posted by TerpSKI View Post
This fit doesn't sound like like it would work very well for non-racer types. In fact it sounds like someone's idea of a punishment.
I agree that the fit i have in the HR is a racer fit. Most people would get the HR one or two sizes bigger. However, i do not agree that this is a punishment. For those looking for the best performance it is the best fit/correct size.
post #39 of 49
monkeyboy & dookey67 - actually I wasn't using the ZipFit liners on the day of my accident. If I had been I would have lost them most likely (they might have cut them off). The Plug Leather liner becomes so "sticky" and grabs onto your foot so tightly that I would have had to instruct everyone (patrollers, nurses, doctors) that the liner HAD to be removed from the shell first. It just doesn't work any other way for my setup. That's the one HUGE plus for the ZipFit liner - it has heel hold down power like nothing else I've ever experienced (at least the leather lined ones).

So I actually was in a pair of stock dual-density Thermoflex liners that slip on and off fairly easily. Also note that they did not perform the foot extrication on the slope. It was done down at the base of the mountain in the clinic AFTER they had given me some morphine via IV.
post #40 of 49
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Originally Posted by gordopost View Post
I wrote this review last year. http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=39296

Since then I have fitted the Zipfits to a Flexon shell with even better results. The open tongue of the Flexon allows me to insert my foot and liner into the shell as easy a stepping into a pair of loafers. {The Langes were so stiff I used two vise grips to pry apart the forefoot overlap.) Great liner, no downside as far as I can discern. gordo
That was a nice review you posted. Somehow I missed that one last March.
post #41 of 49
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Originally Posted by sywsyw View Post
I agree with Jeff's assessment of the ZipFit liners. As long as you have some wiggle room in the toes they shouldn't be cold (mine aren't). They also do not conform to the shell shape quite as readily as a Thermoflex liners or a foam injected system, but the ZipFit method of heating the shell along with the liners when introducing a pair of ZipFits to the shells works pretty well. Some of Jeff's other comments in that thread seem to imply that he's not entirely familiary with the entire line that's available. He seems to categorize all of them as a "thicker" liner, but that's certainly not the case with the Plug Leather from last season and I bet the World Cup for this season is pretty darn thin.
post #42 of 49
So, i decided that I have to have a pair of these, but I'll have to order them to get the leather ones. What is the advanage of the leather vs neoprene or vice versa.?
post #43 of 49
The leather when moist from foot sweat sticks tighter to the foot [and the shell liner] for a tighter overall fit. I use the neopreme because I think it slips on and off easier and is just more comfortable.

They really are an amazing fix for certain categories of fit problems. Read my review and you will observe that I have tried almost everything prior to these liners. They were by far and away a much better solution to my problem.

gordo
post #44 of 49
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Originally Posted by gordopost View Post
The leather when moist from foot sweat sticks tighter to the foot [and the shell liner] for a tighter overall fit. I use the neopreme because I think it slips on and off easier and is just more comfortable.

They really are an amazing fix for certain categories of fit problems. Read my review and you will observe that I have tried almost everything prior to these liners. They were by far and away a much better solution to my problem.

gordo
The more i hear about these, the more confidante i am that they are just what I've been looking for, but the only shop i've been able to find them at has little experiance with them, so I appreciate the info.
post #45 of 49
monkeyboy - if you feel that you will have sufficient heel hold down power and control of your foot WITHOUT the leather liner inner then by all means do NOT go with the leather. The leather definitely increases the complexity in dealing with the ZipFit liners on a daily basis.

For me, I was looking for a liner that solved the heel hold down issues in my Kryptons while providing low volume through the forefoot. The leather liner definitely met my needs.
post #46 of 49
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post
monkeyboy - if you feel that you will have sufficient heel hold down power and control of your foot WITHOUT the leather liner inner then by all means do NOT go with the leather. The leather definitely increases the complexity in dealing with the ZipFit liners on a daily basis.

For me, I was looking for a liner that solved the heel hold down issues in my Kryptons while providing low volume through the forefoot. The leather liner definitely met my needs.

Thanks, right now it looks like I may have to go with the world cup model instead of the plug, so the decision is probably been made for me...
post #47 of 49
I am trying my zips one more time....got longer flexon cables"had boot fitter call dalbello still not manufacturing longer" only problem with them is they are thin and i know from past experience with old raichle RX8's that a cable that thin does break....Swapped out to softer tongue and foot board is freestyle rubber...........Last yr it was late in season and boot/liner problems were overwhelming"5 liners intuition/3 stock/zipfit" and gave up and used stock to finish season..... Tried some dalbello protons -no real heel pocket for either foot...tried some technica's-same plus low boots now feel funny...tried Fischer's soma's -great heel on left foot....felt off on right"no real contour to right freak heel"....also tried krypton 29 shell with 28.5 zipfit toe box was little roomy but liner fit OK BUT boot fitter has issue with selling a shell that is really to big on foot"cant fault him"
post #48 of 49
One trick I use with my leather Zipfits is to wipe them down after I dry them with silicone. I use a spry can of silicone and wet a rag, then wipe the interior of the liner with the rag. Makes getting them on and off much easier and increases the comfort without sacrificing performance. I also put my boots near a car heater outlet on the way to the area so they are fairly warm when I get there. After I put them on I do what Steve Bagley taught me to do EVERY TIME:

1. After inserting my foot into the liner (I put the liner into the shell first, I understand some people have to put the liner on the foot first and then insert into the shell) I stand up, grab the back of the liner and pump the liner up and down 2 or 3 times.

2. Loosely fasten the top two buckles of the boot and fully flex the boot 2 or 3 times to seat the heel fully into the heel pocket.

3. Ajust buckles to skiing tightness, repeat with other boot and enjoy a full day of comfort and performance.

I have the previous version of the Zipfit, I think it is called the Expresso. It has a velcro top strap instead of the laces like the newer models. Awesome fit, comfort, performance and durability. I think a properly-sized shell with a leather Zipfit will give all the performance of a "race fit" with a stock liner and provide significant improvements in comfort. I highly recommend the Zips.
post #49 of 49
hep4186 - Superior Ski (Steve Bagley) does not recommend using silicone on the leather of the liners. He said that silicone works against the purpose of the leather (to more securely grip your foot) and will eventually degrade the leather and cause it to break down.

I recommend that you consider changing your on/off procedure and put the liners on outside of the shells.
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