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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I'm trying to get a female friend of mine to join the 21st century,but don't know which direction to point her in.She is skiing on a pair of 197cm Atomics,that are at least 10 years old.Granted she can ski just about anything on them,but the life is gone and she wants to try some parabolics out.She is in her early 40's,a relatively advanced skier who still has the odd agressive moment when the planets align properly.Mostly likes big turns,but needs something that will also deal with the Eastern hardpack.Will also do short radius,and venture in to the trees,but no bumps as her knees bother her a bit.Any suggestions?
post #2 of 24
If you want to get her to try something new, get some demo skis for her to try.
We could help you make a short list and see where it goes.

Is that what you're looking for from us?

We love to give advice
post #3 of 24
Thread Starter 
She demo'd some stuff last year,but is having a hard time breaking down and buying something,She's afraid she'll make the wrong decision.The shop where she will more than likely make the purchase has a 100% satisfaction guarantee,and the boards can be returned within 14 days if she's not happy.There is no risk for her,but she doesn't want to go thru the hassle of returning skis part way thru the winter.She demo'd The atomic metrons and izors,as well as volkl ativa s5's and the head wild thang and hot thangs.They were all in the 160 to 165 cm range and she liked them all.Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Is it snowing where YOU are?
post #4 of 24
The only unisex skis she demoed were the metrons and i believe they are prone to short turns. My guess is the girlie skis are similar to each other and also turny. Maybe she ought to try something very different in a unisex ski?
post #5 of 24
Not only trying a new ski but being shown how to ski it. I remember the first time I got on a SCX, if I could have taken it off and thown it in the woods, I would have. Not till I was shown how to ski it did I know what all the hoopla was about. If she is on a 197 Atomic, I'd imaging that she is a fairly strong/athletic woman.

Now...To do this, you have to do it smart and do some planning. Not only do you have to get her on some demos, (don't swing the pendulum over as far as a Metron) but you have to get her in a lesson. I would also suggest a woman instructor (like Tcarey at Okemo since you are in the east coast). Take the class with her, I am sure there will be a few things that you will pick up too. Set everything up for her, buy the lesson ticket ahead of time so she will feel obligated to take it with you. Go and plan on having fun too.
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by cspsskiguy View Post
Is it snowing where YOU are?
All I'm going to say to that is RAINSUCKS!
post #7 of 24
Sincerely there are some good skis out there to try.
I think something like the Volkl Allstar or 5 star( the 5star being a bit more forgiving) would be a great transition ski from straight

What are her stats?
I'm 130lbs 5'6" and I ski on a 161 5*(fun playful but performs too), 162 Metron B5(very turny), 173 Volkl P50 Platinum.(longer turns, quite fast)

Recently I got the Volkl Karma and the K2 Burnin luv.
I'll report on them when I get a chance to SEE SOME SNOW!
post #8 of 24
BTW
There are openings to ESA Stowe in two weeks. Maybe you both should attend and get to know a buncha bears whileyou get her on new gear!
post #9 of 24
I am going to echo the above responses.Demo,demo demo! And yes we need more stats.What part of the country do you mostly ski in? How tall is she?What does she weigh? Oh and what about her boots? New?Rear entry?

I am a Dynastar rep and while I fully believe that they put out a nice women's line my gut feeling is they may be a bit soft for her.There are other Dynastars that will offer more ooommpf and that can go all over the mountain!

Terry
post #10 of 24
Oh and the lesson is a good idea too. A good couple of hours working on contemporary movements and she will be off to a fine start on those shaped skis!

Terry
post #11 of 24
Absolutly she needs a lesson with what ever she demo's. don't even try to get her onto short skis with a lesson. She needs to learn the movements.

Bring her and her short demo's to Okemo and give her a private lesson with Terry. It will be the best thing you could do for her.
post #12 of 24
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Not only trying a new ski but being shown how to ski it. I remember the first time I got on a SCX, if I could have taken it off and thown it in the woods, I would have
Yeah. I had similar thoughts about the Big Max. But you weren't lacking for skis that could be used with your old skill set.

IMHO, a skier like this has to avoid a bit of a language trap when walking into a shop, especially if they use the combination of trigger words 'intermediate-advanced' in proximity to 'new carving' or 'parabolic'. The shop clerk then immediately down-grades the shoppers' self estimation and steers them to low-intermediate carving models that may or may not work with the purchaser's old skill set. Probably not.

What about a -lateral- access to carving skills, instead of from the bottom with a learning curve up ahead? What about having her demo a current detuned GS ski, (similar to TC's p50Pt suggestion above) so that she can at least not feel that she is back at the garden worm stage of skill evolution?
post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
I thought that we were all supposed to be friends here.I'd get killed if I asked her weight,but would say her specs are pretty close to yours Trekchick.We are heading to Red Mtn for Xmas & New Years,for bit of a change from the skiing we usually do in the Laurentians of Quebec.I'll get her on some demos and treat her to some lessons as well.If we are coming to a hill near any of you bears,we'll hook up for some turns for sure.

Thanks again.
post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 
And I believe she is wearing three year old Atomic 9.50's on her feet.They are blue and a level or two below their race boot.
post #15 of 24
The Volkl Attivas are a good line for Eastern skiing. Since she is a very good skier, she may want to try the unisex skis as well. Many women also like the K2 line.
post #16 of 24
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The Volkl Attivas are a good line for Eastern skiing. Since she is a very good skier, she may want to try the unisex skis as well. Many women also like the K2 line.
The new Attiva AC3 is a top end womans ski that almost any strong/athletic woman will like. The ski is all well and good. Until she updates her technique, she will not appreciate any of the skis mentioned. The lessons here need to go hand in hand with the demo.
post #17 of 24

need specs

cspsskiguy,

Welcome to epicski! I will need her specs to comment. Specs include ht and weight(sorry gotta have it) the specific model she skis now and how she skis...terrain she likes and doesn't etc, where you folks ski(what mtns)you get the picture. I recently ungraded my 2 female members of the family to women specific Volkls...they did not however come off of 197 atomic straight skis. I would think your female friend could handle a wider spectrum of choices than my two including near race level unisex skis.

I made the jump to super sidecut short skis last season. I did it without lessons, but I am a retired instructor with a pretty clear understanding of skiing and the proper movements. I was able to dial in the technique quite easily having migrated from recent shorter skis K2 four and Volkl p40 platinums. Have her look at the demo team videos found my signature below to begin to understand the technique used to conquer the new skis. I was able to see the differences clearly and dial them in. Many strong skiers will be able to do the same, esp if they are visual learners as I am.

Post her specs and many bears will chime in with ideas for skis she should demo....and you should have her demo that is half the fun! We also have bears on here who do what you ask for a living, sierrajim and dawgcatching come to mind. I doubt either will chime in until they see detailed specs. Either would be a great source for purchase as well.

One thing to think about is does she want to move easily into the new era or does she want to jump right into steep angles and super carving?

A ski like the Dynastar 4800 or 8000 or Elan m 666, some of the mid fat nordicas or the Attiva line Phil describes are examples of skis which would afford her an easier transition as the sidecut is not quite so extreme(mid measurement mid 70's) A ski like my 2 ski eastern bad boys, the RX 8 and the Allstar will take her to the extreme. The first group will be easier to skid turns a bit...the latter is more demanding....tho if you describe her ability accurately she should succeed with either. She will likely be able to focus on this question more after she views the demo team videos I have provided you. If she wants to ski like the highest levels you see on the videos she might jump right in to super shorts like I did.

Another way to approach it is grab some NOS older parabolic skis off ebay....K2 4's, Volkl carvers etc as an intermediate step in the migration from her straight atomics, but if she is a dedicated advanced skier as you describe I'd have her jump right in.

It is a lot to think about.....but if she chimes in with her specs and what she wants out of the experience we can help her. In no way should she be afraid of the process....some folks here try to make it rocket science....it is skiing and it is fun. It is different, but the primary movements to be successful have not changed as much as you might think. Good skiing is still good skiing.

and epicski is a great place to begin the voyage:

My intial thoughts might be start the list with Fischer RX 6, but I want more info.....
post #18 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the welcome to epicski.Sure are lots of helpful folks out there.Some day we'll all meet where we have 20 year old legs and 50 ft of freshies.
As requested,here is a bit more infoon the dinosaurs in question:

Who: 42 yr old,level 7 or 8 female.Likes to cruise,and will crank short radius when she has to.No bumps please.
What: 198 cm Atomic ATC Premieres, probably 10-12 years old.Boots are Atomic 9.50's.
Where: Tremblant,Mt Blanc(not the one in France),Eastern Twps. Trying to get in to the annual western trip.Already booked for Red Mtn over the x-mas holidaze,and may hit Utah in the Spring.

Would imagine that she would rather get into the whole shaped thing slowly,so don't need anything overly shaped.There are a pair of relatively new 170 cm Salomon CrossMax 8's that are sitting around the basement collecting dust,would those be ok?

Brand loyalty is not an issue here,so let the suggestions fly.


Thanks again.
post #19 of 24
http://dynastar.com/product.php?id_s...nt=8&acturub=1

If you got a pair waiting go for it! This is the same transition I made from straight to shaped.I finally ended up on a short slalom(Dynastar Omeglass 63 in a 157) I am 5'5 145 advanced skier. I take these everywhere-groomed bumps trees and even in the rare powder we get her in the East. I have posted a link above with a ski that I might ask her to try.Good all mountain ski!!

Terry
post #20 of 24
Agree on this ski. I ski an older version of this ski and love it. mine are 163s. i am smaller than these women and love the ski. if i had it to do over, i'd get the 157s though. They are great in all but more than thigh high powder.
post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 
I think I'll set the Salomon's up for her,and then she can start the whole demoing(?) process and see where that leads.Thanks for all the tips,leads,etc.Anyone going to be near Red Mtn. BC, over the holidays?
post #22 of 24
The Dynastar Exclusive Legends are perhaps one of the most versatile skis on the market. The Burnin' Luvs are less versatile, but boy can they rip! They are highly stable at speed, so even slower skiers can have the experience of being a fast skier!

And yes, it has been snowing where I live since October!
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by cspsskiguy View Post
Thanks for the welcome to epicski.Sure are lots of helpful folks out there.Some day we'll all meet where we have 20 year old legs and 50 ft of freshies.
As requested,here is a bit more infoon the dinosaurs in question:

Who: 42 yr old,level 7 or 8 female.Likes to cruise,and will crank short radius when she has to.No bumps please.
What: 198 cm Atomic ATC Premieres, probably 10-12 years old.Boots are Atomic 9.50's.
Where: Tremblant,Mt Blanc(not the one in France),Eastern Twps. Trying to get in to the annual western trip.Already booked for Red Mtn over the x-mas holidaze,and may hit Utah in the Spring.

Would imagine that she would rather get into the whole shaped thing slowly,so don't need anything overly shaped.There are a pair of relatively new 170 cm Salomon CrossMax 8's that are sitting around the basement collecting dust,would those be ok?

Brand loyalty is not an issue here,so let the suggestions fly.


Thanks again.
And I thought Phil's suggestion that she get a female instructor was condescending and overtly patriarchal.

I can't see any need to "get into the whole shaped thing slowly".

What would be accomplished by that?
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by OldSchool View Post
And I thought Phil's suggestion that she get a female instructor was condescending and overtly patriarchal.

I can't see any need to "get into the whole shaped thing slowly".

What would be accomplished by that?
Oh I dunno. maybe some humour, in the light of being light

What shape are you OS?
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