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Duckstance skiing ?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Has anyone skied with bindings mounted duckstance ?

Does it work ?

Photo from Swedish Hendryx Ski.
post #2 of 17
I mounted skibee's ski that way last winter, (she is a heli guide) as she is very duct footed normally. 2 years of minor knee pain was gone the next day.

this year she is on the nordica aggressor boot and that is working so far..

heard that some volkl guys wher edoing this for freeride skis... have not seen it personally for that...
post #3 of 17
really curious to hear from an accomplished skier...
post #4 of 17
well, I don't see the big deal if there is an anytomical correction, but I wonder if it was done for reasons similar to some boots having the toe and heel lugs angled (Atomic boots) for better edge initiation.
post #5 of 17
The Fischer Soma-Tec ski boots are designed to accommodate the normal somewhat "toe out "or "duck footed" stance common to many people. Some other boot companies do also. I would think that the same could be done with ski bindings as long as the ski waist is wide enough. The overall result could be quicker edge engagement-perhaps too quick for some.

Anyway, the website is a interesting one.
post #6 of 17
I had a binding mismounted once that resulted in one foot pointing off to the side... hated it!!! can't imagine both being that way.
post #7 of 17
Not to turn this into a boot thread, but after nearly two decades in Flexons, last season I switched to the Fischer MX Pro, mostly because the Flexon had become defunct and I thought I'd try a four buckle boot again (as things would have it, the Flexon is back this season as "Full-Tilt".)

I understand that the Fischer MX-Pro has less of a "toe-out" stance than the race boots Fischer makes. However, even so, it quite noticeably provides very quick lateral response. I'm assuming that the toe-out stance is a factor.

I think the "toe-out" stance, whether the boots or bindings, can work for some better than others, and for some, like yourself, perhaps not at all. The degree of "toe-out" is also likely a factor as is the fact that not all people have a "duck footed" stance. Beyond these limited observations, I'll defer to those with greater knowledge of physiology than I possess.
post #8 of 17
I've heard of some people mounting Pontoons like that to prevent the tips from coming together, which might also be an issue on those Hendryx skis. It would definately be interesting to experiment with some time.

Those definately look like some interesting skis, ironically I had Hendrix playing as I came to this thread.
post #9 of 17
Originally Posted by Singel View Post
I've heard of some people mounting Pontoons like that to prevent the tips from coming together, which might also be an issue on those Hendryx skis. It would definately be interesting to experiment with some time.

Those definately look like some interesting skis, ironically I had Hendrix playing as I came to this thread.
that's a good point; Them some big ol' tips ta deal wit.
post #10 of 17
Putting the bindings that way might increase tip crossing.
post #11 of 17
Wouldn't that cause the skis to diverge?

From the Hendryx website:

"But they do not allow any donkey style, Duckstance is recommended on these skis!"

OK, I'll admit it. I don't know what "donkey style" is. Anyone care to clue me in?
post #12 of 17
If you point your feet in the direction of travel, the skis will become convergent.
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies. Cool skis!

I was curious about it when I read that Seth Morrison use duckstance. (?)

I know about the Fischer Soma but I have never tried them, it’s the only possibility for duckstance on narrow skis. But the binding-angle on the photo above seems too much to me.....

Here is some more info from the Hendryx site:

2006-07-26 Duckstance rules! If you have tried it, you´ll never go back! Ask Seth Morrison!
Yes, I know there are many of you out there wondering why?
There are actually two reasons for mounting duckstance.
The first one is that this position is a more natural position anatomically. If standing or walking your feet are naturally pointing outwards. If doing squats, with weights, you are about 20 percent stronger in duckstance position than if you are pointing your feet straight!
The second advantage is truly when it comes to skiing technique! Okay, now it becomes a bit more complicated! I usually tell people that I can´t make a ski that takes your skiing to heaven but what I have done is that I have made a ski/skis that is standing beyond todays skiers and to make use of them you have to start think of the way you ski! If you do that, then you´r on your way to heaven.
Big point here is to bank your skis equally much and a weight distribution between your skis of 50/50 %! This is very hard at a normal stance as your knees tend to fall in and making your inner ski to plough! But in duck stance position you just pull back your inner ski and press down your inner toes and you get bank easy. Your outer ski should be pushed forward, to paralell with your inner ski binding, and by heel pressing you stabilize your ski! With a turning radius of 15 to 17 m there is no need for hipp or waist movement, instead point of weight should be straight down between your skiis. This gives you a turning radius between GS and SG!
With this technique you do carve in almost all conditions and when your skis carve they become much more stable! The most obvious difference is how direct your skis becomes and especially in the initiation of the turn, when going back to normal stance it feels like your skiis are very sluggish!
We have also noticed that those who have problem knees do not get as sore as they use to be. Good for bad knees!
post #14 of 17
Has anyone tried any of the Hendryx skis?
post #15 of 17
All I see is a bunch of anecdotal evidence and very poor description of ski technique when I read the Hendryx stuff. Hardly the type of material that would make me rush to mount my bindinngs duckstance.

The fact is that anyone considering boots or binding mounting that puts them in a duck stance, should ensure that the knee tracks properly when bending (a good bootfiter will make all the difference here). The example of the squat fails to tell you that your knees and thighs also point outwards when you squat. Do you really want to ski this way? Have you seen any road or mountain biker pedal this way? Of course not, since repetitive movement will make an exagerated duckstance rather difficult.

Sure there are good reasons for some people to have a duckstance, but they are resolving physical challenges, in the way canting resolves physical challenges. But using duckstance to increase power or to prevent tips from touching is just hype.
post #16 of 17


Agreed TomB,
These angles pictured look a little extreme compared to the early 90's Dachstein Pro3 I skied (for a while)...the last season for that boot and the only boot I could find was a shell size too big, yet it jumpstarted my skiing then, balance-wise, in more ways than I ever understood:
post #17 of 17
So, am I the only one who actually looked at this guys site? He is basicly building skis in his garage. On the bench in the background of the "in the work shop" picture you can see his ski "press."

If anyone is intrested in this sort of thing have a look here:

I don't remember now, and don't feel like searching , but I think that this hendrix guy was posting in the skibuilders forums a year or two ago.
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