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Used Rossi WC 9S -- should I?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I have an opportunity to buy a pair of 2 yr old (I think) Rossi WC 9S in 165 length from my son's high school ski coach. I haven't seen them, but I'm told they were well cared for and are in good shape.

Price is $400 w/ bindings, which seems pretty reasonable. Thoughts, anyone?

My only concern is that these may be a little burly for my son. He is 5' 8", about 130 or 140 pounds, a pretty good skier but no race experience.

I guess this is what he "should" be on if he is serious, so we need to bring the technique up to the skis rather than use an easier ski.

(Also in the back of my head is that I may have to sneak a few runs in on these babies...)

Any advise?
post #2 of 16
Too long for his weight, and IMHO, you get the gear that fits the skier, or you're setting people up for frustration/injury. I don't agree with "so we need to bring the technique up to the skis rather than use an easier ski" AT ALL. Skiing gear that was too much for me never helped me out - it actually set me back. The 9S WC is a serious stick. I ski the Fischer RC4 WC SL, and at 165 cm., it can throw me around - I'm 6', 180-185#.

The price is *okay* if they are in VERY GOOD condition, but I think there's better skis out there for him, both price-wise and ability-wise.

Sorry to be the town curmudgeon. You should buy them for you though!
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
axebiker -
Thanks for the reality check. I think I was sorta talking myself into it.

You are right, that's what I'd get for myself, so it can't be the right length for him. And the kid who had these before was a lot heavier, I believe.

Sigh - back to square one. I've got to figure something out soon.

I think I want to get him a real slalom stick, but what, maybe 155 cm? Any suggestions or counter-advice?
post #4 of 16
HAHA!! I wish I could follow my own advice at times!! But I have found out from experience that I sometimes buy gear a bit too "pro" for my needs. It becomes disappointing, and then I'm stuck trying to sell gear for a "dime on a dollar". Dumb me!!

Volkl Racetiger maybe? They're a bit more forgiving/softer from what I've read... Atomics? I don't know - I'm not really a racer, so I don't dig too deep on those skis. Fischer has some "detuned racers" in the RC4 series as well - I'd look into those.
post #5 of 16
Axebiker is right. That would be too much ski for your son...but not for you It's a little surprising that your son's coach would put your son on them. 155 sounds about right, though.

You will of course know your local market for used race skis better than I, but $400 sounds awfuly high for a pair of 04/05 9S's. 9S/9X and even 9Sti/9Xti skis were going for $200 or less at my local ski swap not long ago. The good thing is that racers take very good care of their skis, topskins excepted, of course. If there weren't so many others in my area, I'd go for a good 1-2 year old pair of race stock skis w/ bindings (especially Rossi pivots!) for anything under $300, though I'd really scrutinize the "gate abuse," looking for signs of delam-ing, splitting metal, etc.

You'll get different opinions on this, but I think your son would benefit from skiing race stock skis (full-on racing skis) *in the right length*. For him to improve as a racer, he'll need the torsional stiffness that can only come from a race stock ski. Off-the-shelf "racing" skis, i.e. "detuned" racing skis, are not the same. The graphics will be the same, as will the sidecut, etc., but not the construction.

As for which brand of racing skis...that depends a lot on your son's skiing. His coach should have a strong opinion, but ask him after he's sold those Rossis The good news for a developing racer is that race stock skis are very similar in their construction from brand to brand: he will continue to improve on any quality race ski, so long as it is the appropriate length, binding placement, etc.

If you do buy them for yourself, and you are pleased with the price (try talking him down a bit, though), then you will *love* those skis. It is impossible to not have fun on race stock SL skis.
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
Had a long phone conversation with the coach... turns out things aren't quite as I thought.

1) the Rossi's are last years, not two years old. They are the World Cup (-whatever--it-is that replaced the 9S. He's ditching them cause they turned out to be too soft for his son. Not even skied the whole season because of this. (Surprises me that they are soft. Doesn't match up with my expectations.)

2) Coach agrees they are not the ideal ski for my son right now, but he could continue to use them as he gets heavier and taller. The coach did not give me a hard sell.

3) For a real slalom course, 155 cm would be ideal right now. But the course they ski is actually set between SL and GS. For the actual course, the ideal ski would be a detuned (not FIS-legal) GS with about 16 m radius.

4) A ski shop I talked to suggested a compromise ski that could be used for racing and free skiing on family vacation. The coach strongly discouraged this -- says even 72 width would be noticably slower & noticably worse edge hold than a race width.

5) The coach also has a pair of 160 Fischers, but he said they are stiffer than the Rossi's and my son is not heavy enough for them.

So it's time to put the old thinking cap back on again.
post #7 of 16
I have no trouble believing the Rossis are soft. 72 is way too wide. Unless your son is having a growth spurt, I would ask his coach what would be the best ski for him now and get that.
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
With teenagers, growth is an unpredictable thing. He just came off a HUGE growth spurt, so I expect a pause, but who knows.

Ghost, you are right. I want him to have the best chance to do well. The coach recommended a 160 cm detuned (not race stock, not FIS legal) GS style ski with a 16 meter turn radius. Didn't have specific model names in mind.

I got used to kids gear being cheap (comparatively). Having to pay adult prices for him is an adjustment.

(If I recall corrrectly, you have a younger son, right?)
post #9 of 16
I would check ebay. My 03 pair of 9S WC 155CM race stock was my favorite ski I ever had. Bought them used for $80+bindings and got 2 season out of it! Ebay can have some great deals on race stock skis.
post #10 of 16
My son's just starting out, not racing.
How about a Fischer WC? I've seen some good prices on them.
or this: http://cgi.ebay.ca/New-Atomic-GS-11-...QQcmdZViewItem
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
My son's just starting out, not racing.
How about a Fischer WC? I've seen some good prices on them.
or this: http://cgi.ebay.ca/New-Atomic-GS-11-...QQcmdZViewItem

That does look like just about what the doctor ordered...

Anybody know how cross-border eBay works? Are there duties, delays, etc...?
post #12 of 16
I would worry about some customs guy screwing things up. You should be able to find the same thing in the US for about the same money if you keep your eyes open.
post #13 of 16
I live in the US and buy stuff online from other countries fairly frequently. I've never had to pay duties, experienced delays, etc., even when buying *new* stuff, e.g. bike components & frames from Italy or France. Maybe I'm lucky, but I've tested that luck quite a bit. No problems.
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
I wound up buying Nordica junior GS skis from the same ebay store.
They have a big presence on the US ebay also. I called and talked to a rep, he said they ship across the border all the time and it basically adds a day. So I paid an extra $20 for upgraded shipping.

If the weather and shipping goes as predicted, we will probably head to VT or ME on Friday to try them out. (He has a day off school for some random reason.)

Given how much he has grown over the summer, the changes in his body proportions and balance may make the first few runs "interesting."

I'll let you know how it goes.
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by mdf View Post
That does look like just about what the doctor ordered...

Anybody know how cross-border eBay works? Are there duties, delays, etc...?
I've bought from that seller. No hidden fees/duties/etc. What you see is what you get. They're pretty good folks. I had a good experience buying with them. It took about a week to get the gear. That's pretty normal.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 

Follow up

The skis arrived when promised, no problems.
We skied Killington one day, & my son got used to them very quickly. He found they held very well on the small amount of ice we ran into (as you would expect).

They still haven't been on a race course, though. The high school ski team got to have one practice session, but the coach ran it as a free-ski since it was the first day on snow for most of the kids.

That was on Tuesday. The second practice sesh was supposed to be today, but the hill had to close back down. Now the coach says they won't be on snow till after Xmas vacation.

By the way, we also bought him new boots at our local ski shop (Wilmington Ski Haus). We called ahead & made sure someone with bootfitting experience would be there, and they did a good job. I'd recommend them. (Of course, it has to be a generic rec, since it didn't occur to me to get the guy's name. Oh well.)
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