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post #61 of 89
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Originally Posted by Laurel Hill Crazie View Post
As for da Stillers, they had a mediocre year, Cowher is history, Ben was less than average but I still wear my Stillers ball cap and I think yunz Patriot fans don’t have a clue.
I did see a whole lot of people at the gym on Monday night wearing Pats logo gear. Strange that none of them seem to be Pats fans during the losing weeks.
post #62 of 89
That happens everywhere. Last season ... I saw a lot more Steelers logos than usual. Same with the Eagles every playoff season. (The flags on the cars etc.) When I was in Tampa during the playoff season when they won the Super Bowl, EVERY CAR had one of those flags. The Bucs were everywhere ... All I know is I sport the Patriot logo year round :
post #63 of 89
The Colts will be, and should be favored in the game this weekend against the Patriots. The Colts are at home, where they didn't lose this year, and are on somewhat of a roll. Their defense, which I still believe to be quite weak, has played better of late, albeit against two weak QBs. Being hot at this time of year is never a bad thing. Most of the so-called experts are calling for a Colts' win, some calling for a blowout. However, do not, I repeat, do not discount the New England Patriots. Somehow, especially in the big games, they find ways to win. If I'm a Colts fan (which I'm not), and Tom Brady has the ball in the waning minutes of a close game, I'm very nervous!
post #64 of 89
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Originally Posted by ldrjax View Post
The Colts will be, and should be favored in the game this weekend against the Patriots. The Colts are at home, where they didn't lose this year, and are on somewhat of a roll. Their defense, which I still believe to be quite weak, has played better of late, albeit against two weak QBs. Being hot at this time of year is never a bad thing. Most of the so-called experts are calling for a Colts' win, some calling for a blowout. However, do not, I repeat, do not discount the New England Patriots. Somehow, especially in the big games, they find ways to win. If I'm a Colts fan (which I'm not), and Tom Brady has the ball in the waning minutes of a close game, I'm very nervous!
ldrjax, if you don't mind me asking, What's your prediction ?
post #65 of 89
I'm jes teasin all the Pittsburgh guys - they have had a great team for many years. I work with a lot of guys from Pittsburgh - they do get a little protective about their team!

Anyway, that aside, my prediction:

31 20 New England

Pats offense against the Colts defense is a key and they should be exposed. Bottom line I can't pick against Patriots - again!

Disclaimer: if the Colts play D like they have (if they are for real) this changes everything.
post #66 of 89
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Originally Posted by PA Ridge Racer View Post
ldrjax, if you don't mind me asking, What's your prediction ?
The "line" on the game was NE getting three points. Since home field is felt to be worth three points, Las Vegas sees it as an even game. I expected that NE would get more points as people began to jump on the Colts' bandwagon, but it hasn't happened. So most people still see it as an even game.

To me, the Colts' advantages are:
1.) They're playing at home. They were 8-0 at home this year.
2.) The law of averages, or, more precisely, if they get enough chances eventually they won't choke.

To me, the Patriots' advantages are:
1.) They play pretty well on the road; in fact, they were 7-1 on the road this year. They won in SD. They beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh in the AFC championship game, twice.
2.) They know how to win big games.
3.) Tom Brady plays well in the big games, Peyton Manning does not (check out his QB ratings in the playoffs)

I also firmly believe that "you are what you are". The Colts' defense was mediocre all season, and downright laughable against the run. They've played well the last two games. So who are they? My guess is eventually you'll see the team you saw for sixteen games. I guess the question is whether they can keep it up for two more games.

So, I think for the Colts to win they'll need to get off to a fast start; if not, I think self-doubt will begin to set in - the "here we go again". I just don't see them winning a close game. I just really like the how the Patriots find ways to win these big games. The only reason I not more emphatic about picking the Patriots is the the law of averages thing. On the other hand, Brady doesn't care about averages.
post #67 of 89
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Originally Posted by ldrjax View Post
The "line" on the game was NE getting three points. Since home field is felt to be worth three points, Las Vegas sees it as an even game. I expected that NE would get more points as people began to jump on the Colts' bandwagon, but it hasn't happened. So most people still see it as an even game.
Couple gambling/football things. The opening line was at 3 for "home field"- LV doesnt really see the game itself as anything, they go by the tendency of the bettors- not what they think of the game or what homefield will be worth. Maybe a bit of semantics at first- but over the week "home field" wont be suddenly worth 2.5 or 4.5 points depending on how the line changes, in the grand scheme of the game itself. I dont think people would jump on the Colts bandwagon either. If its an even game, which it seems to be, -3 is a tough give. I dont think many people would jump on the Colts at -3 since the game is considered so even (despite playing at home, you had great pojnts with road records, Brady in domes/playoffs/Peyont in playoffs etc). With such a seemingly even game, I would think the spread would float down to 2.5 eventually. Big Big difference in 2.5 to 3 since many games are decided by the 3 points. Tough to give up 3 points right off the bat when its basically a seemingly 50-50 shot anyway. The money line will be so close, people would rather take the game straight than give 3.
post #68 of 89
Interesting article in NYTimes today. About how refs might be calling more pass interfernecve and bumping past 5 yards. Add that to the injuries and trades made by the PAT's in their secondary, and it might really favor the COlts. I still thik they will chole and lose it in the end by playing safe and allowing NE to get the ball back with less then two minutes to play.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/sp...l/19colts.html

The obvious difference for the Colts: Law is in Kansas City, and Rodney Harrison, a brutal tackler and the soul of the Patriots’ physicality, was injured on the first drive of November’s game and did not return. Harrison, who now has a knee injury, is doubtful for Sunday, leaving James Sanders and Artrell Hawkins as the likely safeties.
post #69 of 89
Colts/Saints will be playing in Feb.


There.....no big long explanations. IMHO
post #70 of 89
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Originally Posted by Brock Landers View Post
Couple gambling/football things. The opening line was at 3 for "home field"- LV doesnt really see the game itself as anything, they go by the tendency of the bettors- not what they think of the game or what homefield will be worth. Maybe a bit of semantics at first- but over the week "home field" wont be suddenly worth 2.5 or 4.5 points depending on how the line changes, in the grand scheme of the game itself. I dont think people would jump on the Colts bandwagon either. If its an even game, which it seems to be, -3 is a tough give. I dont think many people would jump on the Colts at -3 since the game is considered so even (despite playing at home, you had great pojnts with road records, Brady in domes/playoffs/Peyont in playoffs etc). With such a seemingly even game, I would think the spread would float down to 2.5 eventually. Big Big difference in 2.5 to 3 since many games are decided by the 3 points. Tough to give up 3 points right off the bat when its basically a seemingly 50-50 shot anyway. The money line will be so close, people would rather take the game straight than give 3.
I understand the concept of the Las Vegas line. The sportsbook doesn't care about the game, only balancing the bets. As such, I expected that bettors would begin to pile on the Colts' bandwagon, forcing Vegas to offer more points to attract bets on the Patriots. This, obviously, has not happened. Of course, most NFL games are close, usually decided by seven points or less. I guess what I was also trying to say was, that I just don't see the Colts winning a game that's close; they just haven't been "crunch time" players. So, if I was betting on the Colts to win, I would expect it to be by a wider margin.
post #71 of 89
I think it is going to be the Pats vs. the Colts and the Saints vs. the Bears in the Championship Games.
post #72 of 89
going out on a limb there
post #73 of 89
Ouch.... I knew when we were up 21-3 it was FAR from over. All the credit to the Colts and their offense. Great officiating, no excuses. The Colt offense in the 2nd half is what won the game ... At least Adam didn't kick a FG to win it. That's the bright side I guess.
post #74 of 89
Great game! We can only hope the Super Bowl is as good as the AFC Championship. Go Colts!!
post #75 of 89
A game for the ages. Payton got that monkey off of his back...and I bet it feels good.
post #76 of 89
NFL coaches know the game far better than any of the fans, and Bill Belichick is the master amongst them. When he tanked the last game of the year last year (against Miami) to avoid the Steelers, he told me all I needed to know: bet on the Steelers. This year he was doing all he could at the end to avoid that cross-country trip to San Diego. As usual, he was right; his team looked gassed in the second half. As stated above, officiating was a non-factor. Kudos to the Colts.
post #77 of 89
Yup - great game, although the outcome was disappointing, I feel no ill will towards Peyton - I suspected all this mental stuff was nonsense but maybe it wasn't for him. He's too good not to win one of these years and maybe this is the one. Good for Dungy too, if you've read his off field personal stuff he deserves a shot at the title for overcoming so much.

On a down note - the Pats defense was horrible in the second half which was a big surpise and obviously was a big part in the loss. They also made a lot of little mistakes that hurt them on offense and could have easily won. Shows the margin of victory is so slim. But they obviously need to upgrade talent in the offseason at several positions if they hope to win again. As I see it, they overacheived this year with key injury losses (Harrison, Seau) and undertalented personnel.

The Colts have so many weapons, and Manning exploited the weaknesses - they couldn't be denied!
post #78 of 89
That might have been the best conference championship game ever. Coming from 18 points down the Colts deserved to win. What a great gutsy game by
Manning who carried them on his back in the 2nd half. If the Bears had a great QB I could see them possibly winning the Super Bowl but not with Rex Grossman...just think the Colts have too much firepower.

Bigger upsets have happened in the SB however, ie:
Namath's Jets over the Colts a hundred years ago (Jets 16 point dogs?)and more recently in the 2001 SB Pats over the Rams (Pats 14 point dogs?)
Might have been a few others...
post #79 of 89
OH ye of little faith --the Bears have been dissed all season long by "experts' yet here they are in the Big Dance .

While admire the Colts, Dungy Manning and my boyz from "the Cuse " -DA BEARS will win it all. They win ugly but they win
post #80 of 89
ct55 - I wouldn't bail too quickly on your Patriots. They have a good secondary (have you seen more passes defensed in a game than yesterday) and a good defensive line with two guys in the prime of their careers, and an emerging star (Wilfork). I believe the offensive line started two rookies and a second year player. They have two first-round picks and loads of cap room. Oh, and they have the best QB in the game (Manning is great, but I still like Brady better) who just needs a weapon or two.

Warp Daddy - your Bears would do well to watch the tape of the Jaguars/Colts game when the Jags rushed for 375 yards. They're very similar teams: great defense, good running game, erratic QB play. If the "good" Rex shows up for the SB they have a good chance.
post #81 of 89
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Originally Posted by Laurel Hill Crazie View Post
...........Kevin, you sure were right about the Ravens when I asked in the pre season and their D is really good but I think the Colts are the team to beat in the AFC, maybe the Bears in the AFC.
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Originally Posted by Laurel Hill Crazie View Post
......Upon further review, after the Colt got ripped I think I'll go with the Bolts, just can't pick the Ravens. It makes me puke just thinking about it.:

..... And the NFC??? you say the Saint are the hot team, didn't the Steelers beat them?
I should have stayed with my first pick but I was right about the Ravens and Saints.

I really thought the AFC game as over at the half, it looked like Brady was going to have his way and the Colts were in a Pats induced funk. What a great game. Even my wife was transfixed.


I like the Colts to win it all.
post #82 of 89
An NFL official acknowledged today that the pass interference call made on NE Patriot CB Ellis Hobbs was, in fact, wrong. In the fourth quarter, Indianapolis in possession of the ball on the NE 19-yard line, Hobbs was called for "face guarding" Reggie Wayne in the end zone. This is, of course a spot foul, so the ball was placed on the one-yard line, and the Colts given a new set of downs. They scored a touchdown from there, tying the game at thirty one. There is no face guarding rule in the NFL, and there has not been one for more than five years. Pass interference, when the defenders back remains turned from the ball, is only called if there is contact between the defender and receiver. There was no contact. I believe it happened on third down. The Colts would then have likely settled for a field goal.

I was listening the Jaguars weekly radio show tonight. Jeff Lageman, former NFL defensive end, and current Jaguars commentator, agreed with the above. He also felt that the contact between a NE receiver (Reche Caldwell, maybe - they have too many ex-Florida Gator receivers) and Colt defender late in the game, in the end zone, should have been called pass interference. The play happened on third down and NE settled for a field goal.

Lageman is well respected around the league for his knowledge of the game. I have listened to him for many years, and have met him several times. I have a great deal of respect for his judgement and unbiased opinions. In his words, "...the Patriots took a beating from the referees."

I rescind my kudos to the Colts.
post #83 of 89
I saw a NE D-backs grabbing a Colts receiver’s arms in the end zone, no call. That would have been a touchdown. Nit picking officiating is pointless, good for whining and rationalizing. Bad calls are a part of the game, just like a sack or busted play that goes big. NE had other chances to win, they didn't. It says right here that the Colts won the game and to say they didn't deserve it is just dumb, stupid, loser whining, asinine, superfluous, take your pick.
post #84 of 89
1.) Errors of omission by the referees happen all the time; it's been said they could probably call a penalty on every play. However, for the NFL to admit that a referee made a call, at such a critical juncture in the game, that was based on a rule that no longer exists, is very suprising. NFL referees do, on balance, a really good job. Replay and analysis of the rule book almost always proves them right. I'm shocked the referee didn't know the rule in this case.

2.) "I saw a NE D-backs grabbing a Colts receiver's arms in the end zone, no call."????? The remarks I conveyed in my post above were made by a former NFL player, veteran NFL commentator/analyst, and unbiased observer. To call then whining and assanine is baseless. To accept your observations to be as astute as his, IS dumb, stupid, assanine; take your pick.
post #85 of 89
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Originally Posted by ldrjax View Post
An NFL official acknowledged today that the pass interference call made on NE Patriot CB Ellis Hobbs was, in fact, wrong. In the fourth quarter, Indianapolis in possession of the ball on the NE 19-yard line, Hobbs was called for "face guarding" Reggie Wayne in the end zone. This is, of course a spot foul, so the ball was placed on the one-yard line, and the Colts given a new set of downs. They scored a touchdown from there, tying the game at thirty one. There is no face guarding rule in the NFL, and there has not been one for more than five years. Pass interference, when the defenders back remains turned from the ball, is only called if there is contact between the defender and receiver. There was no contact. I believe it happened on third down. The Colts would then have likely settled for a field goal.
While I'm keeping away from all things football to keep from being reminded about Sunday nights loss, I couldn't help but read this post and now I wish I hadn't. What's done is done. I can't dwell on it any more. They'll be back next year.

Regarding what the Patriots should do this off season...RE SIGN ASANTE SAMUEL!!!! I like Ellis Hobbs on the other end as well. I think he did a great job against Reggie Wayne. Lets not forget Eugene Wilson / Harrison should be back. On O, I think Caldwell and Gaffney are a nice one two punch and Brady can have much success with both. Just keep him protected.
post #86 of 89
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Originally Posted by ldrjax View Post
1.) Errors of omission by the referees happen all the time; it's been said they could probably call a penalty on every play. However, for the NFL to admit that a referee made a call, at such a critical juncture in the game, that was based on a rule that no longer exists, is very suprising. NFL referees do, on balance, a really good job. Replay and analysis of the rule book almost always proves them right. I'm shocked the referee didn't know the rule in this case.

2.) "I saw a NE D-backs grabbing a Colts receiver's arms in the end zone, no call."????? The remarks I conveyed in my post above were made by a former NFL player, veteran NFL commentator/analyst, and unbiased observer. To call then whining and assanine is baseless. To accept your observations to be as astute as his, IS dumb, stupid, assanine; take your pick.
You made my point in your first paragraph. Many times throughout the season the league proclaims officiating error. My point of contention was your inference that the Colts didn't deserve credit for winning the game. I must admit that my response was harsh and I apologize for that. It's just a pet peeve of mine. I'll always debate the officiating and if there is a proper interpretation of the rules but give credit to the teams and players. As to my astute observation perhaps it is asinine but no less valid then a veteran commentator/analyst.
post #87 of 89
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Originally Posted by Laurel Hill Crazie View Post
You made my point in your first paragraph. Many times throughout the season the league proclaims officiating error. My point of contention was your inference that the Colts didn't deserve credit for winning the game. I must admit that my response was harsh and I apologize for that. It's just a pet peeve of mine. I'll always debate the officiating and if there is a proper interpretation of the rules but give credit to the teams and players. As to my astute observation perhaps it is asinine but no less valid then a veteran commentator/analyst.
This is far different than the circumstances you describe above. Referees make judgement calls, and sometimes those calls come at critical junctures in the game. In this case the referee did not know the rule and made a call that may have influenced the outcome of the game.
post #88 of 89
Danm that ref for making Brady throw the interception that ended the Pats come back.
post #89 of 89
I predict that I will be skiing. Ought to cut down on the crowds!
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