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post #31 of 43
yeah, there was a thread over on TGR about Coombs and others who cut the tails and tips off of their skis...
post #32 of 43
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
yeah, there was a thread over on TGR about Coombs and others who cut the tails and tips off of their skis...
I'm kinda wondering if maybe thats one of those "well if I get 10 free pairs a season, why not?" sorta things.
post #33 of 43
the thread mentioned that guides often chop the tails off of twins that they like so they can use the ski as an anchor.

but also in the thread there was something about Tommy Moe chopping the tips and tails off his 220 skis which made me wonder why he just didn't buy shorter skis (or, if he's sponsored, get the company to make him skis to his specifics).
post #34 of 43
I doubt anybody chops the tips off of their skis. think about skis with square tips would suck. Coombs cut the tails off so he could fit it in the gondola and use them as an anchor like dookey said.
post #35 of 43
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
I doubt anybody chops the tips off of their skis. think about skis with square tips would suck. Coombs cut the tails off so he could fit it in the gondola and use them as an anchor like dookey said.
finally an explanation. I can imagine a load of old-school guys getting frustrated with turned up tails on their big pow skis. So they're not cutting off any ridable surface, just the (for them) unneccesary twinned tail.
post #36 of 43
^I dunno. I think it depends.

Another thread on TGR talked about Tommy Moe taking 220s and cutting them down to 208s and the same thread talked about Plake trimming the tips and tails of his Seths.

I would have thought that Moe could just have had the company make him a stack of 208s, but who knows.

Part of me thinks that beyond the practical reasons (i.e. Coombs chopping off the tails so they can be used as an anchor) there's a certain "coolness" factor in jiggery pokering with your equipment to tweak it to a point where it suits your needs specifically.
post #37 of 43
Shaving the tips and tails down on Seths makes sense to me and I can easily imagine it not only for anchors but gondola racks. I hate my gotama tails on gondolas. I'm the only dude with my skis inside.
post #38 of 43
From the k2 message boards.

In response to someone saying something about cutting the tails of his seths

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Originally Posted by Seth Morrison
Coombs did this to a pair of Vicious he had, so they would fit in the La Grave gondola.
post #39 of 43
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
I still really enjoy high speed groomer runs.
This is a key reason why you are comfortable with wider skis on the groomers. I don't think the majority of people really understand what it means to carve a large radius turn on a wide, torsionally stiff board. You can't be going just kinda fast. You have to be going really fast and have the skills to put the board up on edge and keep it there. Those skills aren't easy to come by and are outside the realm of most skiers. It's physically painful on the knees for many to do this for extended periods of time on hard snow.

For a heavier skier the speed demands aren't quite as high so weight can play a huge role in the perception of how the wider skis respond. As a lighter skier myself it really took turning the knobs to 11 before I "got" it.

I'm curious as to why the initial poster needs a ski that wide in a length under 160. From a flotation stand point, anyone who doesn't weigh enough to need a 160+ ski probably doesn't need a very wide ski to get up on top of the snow. From a stability stand point, if you are skiing that fast you aren't going to want a shorter board.

I think Maggot is probably a lot closer to the truth in suggesting a ski that is easier to ski in deep stuff not just more float. From my experience a lighter skier that wants a wider ski for easier skiing in the deep stuff usually wants a softer ski that will actually bend at speeds they tend to be at.

Just my .02
post #40 of 43
I totally agree...we are all different. As I stated, I ski my Prophet 100's everywhere. I am 28, go to the gym 4 days a week, and I weigh 197 lbs. that is why we all have different ideas on what we consider "stiff"...as always, if you can demo, do it! All of us have different perceptions on what is considered wide as well. Three years ago, I thought my 85 mm park skis were "wide"...now I don't even like to ski them in powder. lol...

To me, I have no problems really turning "wide" skis, but I too, when on groomers, love to ski fast, and make nothing shorter than a GS turn (prefer super G, myself...lol). I only ski bumps if they are in my way, and I am not a fan of a slalom turn at ALL...so again, to each their own
post #41 of 43
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Originally Posted by PowTron View Post
I totally agree...we are all different. As I stated, I ski my Prophet 100's everywhere. I am 28, go to the gym 4 days a week, and I weigh 197 lbs. that is why we all have different ideas on what we consider "stiff"...as always, if you can demo, do it! All of us have different perceptions on what is considered wide as well. Three years ago, I thought my 85 mm park skis were "wide"...now I don't even like to ski them in powder. lol...
I agree, I have some 89 mm skis that I thought would be great for powder, but they just don't hold up...that's why I was asking for suggestions of something around 130 mm.
post #42 of 43
Get a spatula, great for pow and they ski short so you can turn em
post #43 of 43

Dookey?

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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
PowTron:

If one is only skiing hardpack and groomers then a ski waisted between 90-100 might not be optimal.

As much as I've enjoyed my Mantras, they suck on hardpack and icy groomers. I had them out in Utah last season and loved 'em in grauple, semi-pow, and soft snow. But when i got them on icy, hardpack groomers they were jitterbugs.

I love 'em in spring/summer corn and Tahoe crud, too. But not ice.

I could easily see somebody who skis predominantly hardpack and icy conditions questioning a ski 90mm+.

Same way a person who only skis powder and crud might question a ski less than 90mm.

To each their own.

Additionally, I think most of the folks who have commented on this thread own at least 1 pair of 90+ waisted skis.

What length Mantra are you skiing and what is your weight? Thanks
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