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High Volume Langes?

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
I have an opportunity to buy some leftover Langes at a good price. i want them so I have can have new boots next fall when I would like to go to a Masterfit University bootfitting course. I would like to buy relatively high performance boots (I am an instructor, not looking for race boots), which means the "good plastic" ones, because I expect to do some alterations. I have huge calves and a high instep, although I have a D width. Do any of the Langes make the grade? My son is also interested in the course, and he has similar feet and calves, but wider, E or EE. Are any langes good candidates? Right now I ski in Nordica Beasts from 03-04 season, and he skis in some older Salomons which are a lesser grade and not really right for his skiing.

Also- Lange uses US sizing. Does anyone know which Lange length corresponds best to 28.5 for me or 29.5 for my son?
post #2 of 28
I am by no means a pro in any sense of the word when it comes to skiing, but when I was shopping around for high performance / race ski boots, time and time again I was told by sales people that you have to have a "Lange foot" to use a Lange boot, that was explained to me as being at least a narrow one. I went so far as buying a pair and tried to use them, but the pain was unbearable, got a good fit with the Heads. My foot is medium wide.
post #3 of 28
Expect some shell alteraterations.
post #4 of 28
no amount of shell alterations are going to make langes fit anything other than a narrow foot.

if you're an instructor, you should know that unless a boot fits your foot, its worthless.
post #5 of 28
Thread Starter 
I know about boot fit, but I am not sure about the entire Lange line. They make a lot of different boots, and have been changing a little in recent years. I don't usually seek them out. I tend to go with Nordica's Salomon's and Dalbello's. I was just wondering if the Lange leopard had changed its spots, especially in some line I might not have been looking at. I know for a fact that some of their boots have less volume, what I want to know is if any have more. The price available had me wondering.
post #6 of 28
Lange's Fluid series has a neraly identical fit to the more recent incarnations od the Nordica Beast. The main difference is a lower instep.
post #7 of 28
left over = last years?

CRL might be right for you

the masterfit stuff is mroe of a retail course then a home thing, more how to sell/solve problems then get you own boots fitting.... might help you, but I think a few hours with a boot fitter is better then a few day in that class
post #8 of 28
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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
left over = last years?

CRL might be right for you

the masterfit stuff is mroe of a retail course then a home thing, more how to sell/solve problems then get you own boots fitting.... might help you, but I think a few hours with a boot fitter is better then a few day in that class
I have had my boots fitted at Green Mountain Orthotics lab in 2005, and just had all of my kids fitted there this past week, and I watched the whole process, which involved two bootfitters and five and half hours for three kids (I think they are not yet up to midseason productivity at GMOL). I have had many questions answered. I also went to Jim Lindsey's bootfitting session at the PSIA National Academy in 2005, and the Get in Gear event last season. I also had extensive fitting done by some local bootfitters in the past. I want to take the course to learn better how to recommend boot specialists to my students, and perhaps, how best to make adjustments myself. my son is thinking about trying to work for some local ski shops.

I would rather have inexpensive high quality boots to make mistakes on, but if I bring them they might as well be boots I can use if I get it right, and on which I can tinker all season, learning a lot more. I would also take some of my older boots which do not work so well.

I appreciate the remarks regarding the CRL and the Fluid.

I would like to repeat the earlier question regarding sizing. What Lange sizes correspond to 28.5 and 29.5?
post #9 of 28
Keep in mind that while the masterfit university can't hurt, most of a bootfitter's skill comes from experience and you may be left in the dust in the class simply because everyone in it will already have some bootfitting experience. Even after the class, you'll have difficulty implementing it outside of a shop because of the relatively specialized tools used for stretching and grinding liners and shells and the specialized pads needed in some areas, not to mention bootsole planers and cant evaluaters.

Lange sizes are simply US sizes.
post #10 of 28
FOG: 28 = 10 and 29 = 11.

but you really need to try them on and see.

I can fit a 24 - 26 in different brands, from a 291 to 299 boot sole lenght.

take: good points, tools do not make the craftsman
post #11 of 28
IMHO,

Wide foot, wide calf, high instep = NOT Lange!! Even their new 'wide fit' boots are still only narrow to medium width. Almost all of them have low insteps and high cuffs, so even if you can get the width, the rest of your feet and legs will still hate you.

If you have a Nordica foot, look into the softer Dobermann boots - they will fit you better and are still very 'fit-able'. YMMV
post #12 of 28
Thread Starter 
I guess there is a reason these boots were so inexpensive. I will have to pass on them then.
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by volklgirl View Post
IMHO,

Wide foot, wide calf, high instep = NOT Lange!! Even their new 'wide fit' boots are still only narrow to medium width. Almost all of them have low insteps and high cuffs, so even if you can get the width, the rest of your feet and legs will still hate you.

If you have a Nordica foot, look into the softer Dobermann boots - they will fit you better and are still very 'fit-able'. YMMV
Have you tried on the Fluids? They are downright MASSIVE by Lange standards. Suggesting a Doberman with a 95-98mm last over a 101mm Lange is a little silly when you consider how relatively easily big calves and high insteps can be accomodated vs. width problems.
post #14 of 28
Didn't know the Fluid was that wide. Thanks for the update.
post #15 of 28
plus the instep on all the new langes is higher than the past offerings, please DO NOT comment on stuff that you know nothing about, that goes for everyone, the internet is full of "experts" that never leave the basement and or have affiliations that you may not know about....
post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by waxman View Post
plus the instep on all the new langes is higher than the past offerings, please DO NOT comment on stuff that you know nothing about, that goes for everyone, the internet is full of "experts" that never leave the basement and or have affiliations that you may not know about....
How does that compare to the CLR's?
post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by waxman View Post
plus the instep on all the new langes is higher than the past offerings, please DO NOT comment on stuff that you know nothing about, that goes for everyone, the internet is full of "experts" that never leave the basement and or have affiliations that you may not know about....
Hmmmm...every one of the new Langes that I tried on the last 2 months has cramped my wide forefoot and low instep (except the Exclusive). No one had the Fluid in my size, so I didn't get a chance to try it.
post #18 of 28
I have a narrow foot and went looking for a boot to fit about six years ago. I read in mags that Lange had the narrow foot reputation. Went to my local shop and got a pair with footbeds. Within 5-10 ski days i needed shims, then balsa wood plates in the bottom and finally, after putting WAY too much money into these things, realized that they were too big, too wide, etc. At that point, there was some info being written that Lange had made their lasts larger.
Of course, after reading posts at Realskiers and here, I realized that I was never shell fit and that Lange made a Rotary boot.
Do lot''s of research, but not in magazines. The gear-a-holics here and at RealSkiers can give you guidance.
post #19 of 28
CRL=lower instep than the current models(WC/Fluid/Concept/Exclusive)
re rotary= quoting the Lange designer "wtf is a rotary boot.....?"
post #20 of 28
The bootfitter I use (Kelly Timmons, Seattle, who used to work for Lange) talked me into trying a pair of langes, eventhough I have a wide forefoot. I got a new pair of L8's on Ebay for $48 bucks. Before he worked on then, I couldn't even buckle them, they were so painful. After he adjusted them (lots of stretching and some grinding), they are the best fitting, most comfortable, most responsive boots I've ever had. Go figure. Btw, Kelly says to always get the narrow fit, because it has thicker walls and can be modified more, even if you have a wide foot.
post #21 of 28

Make sure you get the MF version

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Originally Posted by FOG View Post
I have an opportunity to buy some leftover Langes at a good price. i want them so I have can have new boots next fall when I would like to go to a Masterfit University bootfitting course. I would like to buy relatively high performance boots (I am an instructor, not looking for race boots), which means the "good plastic" ones, because I expect to do some alterations. I have huge calves and a high instep, although I have a D width. Do any of the Langes make the grade? My son is also interested in the course, and he has similar feet and calves, but wider, E or EE. Are any langes good candidates? Right now I ski in Nordica Beasts from 03-04 season, and he skis in some older Salomons which are a lesser grade and not really right for his skiing.

Also- Lange uses US sizing. Does anyone know which Lange length corresponds best to 28.5 for me or 29.5 for my son?
I have a 12D foot and I ski the Lange Comp 120 in a mid volume fit (MF not LF). I got these last year but think they are 2004 models, there is a post on the site somewhere that talks about my learning curve with these boots. I have seen newer mid fits as well, you just have to look for them. The boot works well for me for free skiing, but for racing I think I would want something a little stiffer. If you have a D width foot make sure you get the MF version, the LF version will be nothing but pain unless you have a lot of work done on them. If you are looking for a Racing Plug (the 150) or a Comp 130 I am pretty sure that these only come in the LF fit, so if you are sure you want a boot with these flex numbers you may want to look elsewhere. Also all the Lange comps have a significant amount of forward lean so you may want to factor this in as well.

I replaced the original footbed with an orthotic, but other than that I have not had any custom fitting done. I do wear my boots around the house for four hours a day for two weeks before I take them skiing since I don't believe in heat molding the liners (I think they pack in more quickly if you heat mold them). My wife likes to make fun of me since I usually wear my new boots while watching TV, and a john run is a real event, the cat usually heads for the hills when she hears me klunking around in them. Make sure the boots are warm the first time you try to get into them, since the new plastic they are using really stiffens up in the cold.

As regards mondo equivalents and shell sizes, my understanding is that with Langes the whole size and the next half size, ie. the 30 and the 29.5 are actually the same shell size, you can check this since the shell size in mm is molded into the boot in plastic at the bottom of the shell. The difference is the liner, the 30 liner comes a just a little more prepacked in than the 29.5 liner but if you wear them long enough the 29.5 will pack in to fit a 30 as well. The mondo US equivalent sizes should be printed on a tiny label attached at the front of the boot. For mondo boot size equivalents you just add the numbers together so a 29.5 should be roughly an 11.5 and a 28.5 should be a 10.5.

Finally, your son's E foot is probably going to require a custom fit in almost any advanced boot you'd be looking at. As others have noted, a Lange 90 CRL might work. The 90 CRL's still have the pinanfarina design but are a little less stiff than the comps and have a comfort fit liner. They are still pretty stiff for a recreational boot at at "90" flex so they work well for most expert skiers and will drive a race ski. I bought a pair last year for my daughter who has a broad foot too and has had a lot of problems with boot pain, these seem to have solved her issues

Hope this is helpful, let us know how things go for you.

Kaj
post #22 of 28
Just went out and searched "lange comp MF" and found that Evogear has a pair of the 120 comps for $ 299 shipped in an 11.5 (29.5):

http://www.evogear.com/Lange/outlet_item_6348_0.aspx

If they don't fit I think Evogear will take them back within 30 days of the original shipment date. I've ordered gear from them before and they are pretty good with service and info.
post #23 of 28
I bought a pair of high volume lange's a few years ago, and they WERE wider than their race counterparts, however, the instep is KILLER, I cannot leave them buckled over the instep. I tried and tried to make them work. They sit in my closet as I went back to my old 15 yr old packed out Nordicas.

I just bought new Nordicas, (I have had Solomons as well as Lange's in the interim) and kept them on my feet in the store for close to an hour. The instep is about the roomiest I have ever worn. I think too this is the first boot I have bought in the correct shell length (all others I have bought a full size larger because all were too narrow) yet still we have to punch them out in the toe box. Sure hope they work, I am not throwing away the bedroom slippers yet.
post #24 of 28
"my understanding is that with Langes the whole size and the next half size, ie. the 30 and the 29.5 are actually the same shell size,"
your understanding is wrong, atomic does that(and maybe someone else?) but in lange the 29.0/29.5 and 7.0/7.5 share the shell length....
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by waxman View Post
"my understanding is that with Langes the whole size and the next half size, ie. the 30 and the 29.5 are actually the same shell size,"
your understanding is wrong, atomic does that(and maybe someone else?) but in lange the 29.0/29.5 and 7.0/7.5 share the shell length....
Do you mean the 29.0/29.5 and 11.0/11.5 share the same length?
post #26 of 28
yes, the whole size boots 2x.0 and the half size boots 2x.5 share the same boot sole length
and in "US" sizing the 3.0/3.5, 4.0/4.5, 5.0/5.5 etc. share the the same size shells....
post #27 of 28
Thread Starter 
let me rephrase that- does that mean the 29.0 and the 11 are the same boot?
post #28 of 28
similar. not the same, can you try them on first?
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