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quiver question. again

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
What are the parameters indicated by the capacity of a quiver?
Or its intended real purpose, loosely alluded to in a skiing context.
I would rethink this as in a native american perspective as opposed to a european influenced model. Your choice for clarification desired.
My arrows could be flint although steel would travel further IMHO, technologies allow for some other criitical enhancements. that's all open for you to ponder though. v.varmit
post #2 of 18
Most perplexed by this statement am I:

"native american perspective as opposed to a european influenced model."

Are you referring to Native American skiers? Or are you referring to the concept of a quiver being native to American skiers?
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post #4 of 18
My quiver is beyond any geographic, archaeological or socioeconomic influence : .

post #5 of 18
It's not the arrow, its the indian. Thus relegating any "quiver" discussions utterly nongermane.
post #6 of 18
It's the bow, not the arrow.
post #7 of 18
I wonder what Hawkeye, Green Arrow or Geena Davis would have to say about this, considering that they're all expert archers and whatnot.
post #8 of 18
Artificial intelligence:
post #9 of 18
if a quiver is a closet then its up to the owner to know if its contents are those of a clown or not , European , native American , Madagaskarian, Samoan or otherwise.
Rethinking will not change you from being a clown just as the clothes did not make you the emperor.What were we thinking?
i really hope that helps
post #10 of 18
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 

those that you would use?

I'll say I was looking for just a simple answer and a way to mention your go to ski.or few all the drivel was just there.
I'd throw in my car the /1powder ski for stability and /2something of length for cruising, a /3new short one should be included since I need to pair up a binding at a ski shop with the ski I unexpectedly won but never got to try,and need for the perfect day to feel them out /4the go to ski that I didn't get out of the car on my last ski trip since I think they are in good shape, most likely to use and the /5teles since I need quite a bit more practice and might get that with /6the pair of skis that I brought with boots to match for a new friend who wants to try skiing. Poles 4 or 5., no friend, still 4, baggage check realities do exist, less poles, and use freight forwarding if warranted, although it's getting to the point I'd just about drive anywhere to ski.
I've understood though that an Indian might rely on the one arrow of flint although the quiver would be for later.
A good ski edge equates an arrow that hadn't been used the food, must die quickly so that the hunter doesn't have to travel far to gather his prey, a razor point needn't be sharpened /^\, it would be cruel, nor sportsman like. He could carry replacement tips in his pocket.
Maybe thin , or season to taste as the season emerges. Happy pre winter thanksgiving. e a v.varmit, prefers flint that strikes steel for fire.
post #12 of 18
A high-speed GS or DH ski is needed for going at high speeds on hard snow.
A short-radius narrow-waisted shaped ski is needed for working on short turns.
Something in-between and perhaps a little wider is needed to fill the gap between the above. It doesn't have to be fat if you know how to ski. A powder ski would be nice for deep powder snow.

See below for mine.
post #13 of 18
New definition of expert, 'any terrain, any condition, any ski'.

Including going off a ski jump, yes gelande jumpers lauch off real ski jumps with fixed heels!

If you claim to need specialized gear to diagonal stride, maybe the skis you have are too specialized already.

I can stride, skate and ski downhill on my only pair of skis. There are no parameters, no restrictions imposed by my one pair of skis. The limits are my skill. I'm not an expert yet, no gelande or Ghost-like speed, but I believe there are skiers who can go on my short skis as fast or faster than Ghost on SGs.

Double camber makes striding more effective. A narrow ski is better for skating. A longer ski makes it safer to go fast. A ski with deeper sidecut allows tighter arcs. A wider ski makes powder less deep. A jumping ski is necessary to be a good ski jumper. So there's nothing wrong with having six different bows depending on your targets. I'm hitting close enough to the bullseye of the targets I've chosen with the bow I'm using. I have another that will allow greater speed and float, but I haven't gotten them mounted correctly yet.

I haven't reached speeds that made my skis feel unstable or encountered snow too deep. But before I travel to big mountains again I will have a bigger bow. And some arrows other than the ones I currently use which have rubber suction cups for 'arrowheads'.
post #14 of 18
Even though I have one myself, I feel that in some sense a quiver is a cop out. I agree with Telerod that a true expeprt means 'any terrain, any condition, any ski'. I have several friends that have only one set up (some tele, and some AT) with which they ski everything on the area and the backcountry amazingly well. The new heavy duty AT or Tele boots combined with a good mid-fat ski and a pair of skins and the mountains of the world are yours. It is possible to comfortably ski the bumps at Telluride and do the Haute Route on the same skis and boots.

A quiver is fun but not really a necessity these days. If you can't ski everything on two pairs of skis you are probably not an expert, but then experts tend to be the gear whores that can really appreciate the delicate differences of the performance of different skis. A quiver is a luxury but certainly not a necessity to tame whatever kind of snow is out there.
post #15 of 18
By the above definitiion, I was an expert for many years; I skied everything from narrow chutes to icy moguls with those SGs (even big moguls on hills too steep for a cat). Now I'm just an advanced skier, but I'm having just as much fun.
post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 

i'd enjoin comparisons

repectfully Mudfoot. the title is perhaps an inference.
My quiver duals as lodge and I could enjoy the upward trek, too..
now the pack basket with squaw seeks fertile soil, all in time. eav
post #17 of 18
I'm nowhere near being an "expert" which is why I have a quiver. But another reason I have a quiver is that I hadn't had new equipment in over 15 years and once I started buying I couldn't stop. I'm a bit obsessive/compulsive that way. Plus after giving up comic books and booze (and since I get CDs and see movies for free due to the nature of my job) I had to spend the extra $$ on something. Might as well be skis.

I would agree about the expert being able to ski anything on any kind of ski. Watching old Greg Stump flix with Plake and Schmidt and company riding everything from narrow ice chutes to deep pow and moguls on 200+ rail thin planks proves that theory without a doubt. I actually began to second guess my recent purchases (Karma/Mantra/No Ka Oi/Titan 8) and seriously am considering re-mounting my old 198 Rossi 7S's. I "learned" to ski powder on those bad boys (not very well, mind you, but I got down the mountain).

That said, I think where you ski can dictate the necessity of a quiver. Here in Cali we have what I would call incredibly variable conditions. You can have ice, crud, "sierra cement" and legitimate powder all in the span of a season, unlike other areas where their conditions are a bit more consistent. Thus having a well-rounded 3 ski quiver makes sense (a narrow, grippy ice ski, a mid-fat in the mid 80s ranger, and a wider powder in the high 90s to mid 100s), i think.
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 

inclined to think

that you do present a climate factoring into a choice.
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