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post #31 of 57
Q: Can Non-F.I.S. Atomic GS12 Survive up to 60 MPH?
A: Yes, if they are on a car roof rack at the time.
post #32 of 57
Thread Starter 
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The answer is, almost...so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMZ21kTFDP0
post #33 of 57
I did about 55mph on my non-FIS gs12's without hitting trees Just remember to go up in DIN-value - pre-release will kill you..
post #34 of 57
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Originally Posted by the2planker View Post
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The answer is, almost...so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMZ21kTFDP0
That guy is so afraid of falling that he intentionally creates a larger gap between the skis
post #35 of 57
About the speed thing, I skied over at Beaver Creek this past Sat. on the slope they run the downhill on over off the Birds of Prey lift. I don't know what exact speed the racers hit running this course , but I/m assuming somewhere around 80 miles an hour. There is just now way IMHO a skier short of an elite World Cup racer could handle speeds this high not even putting into considerattion the fact that the speeds being referenced were achieved on skiers other than downhill skis and on a prepared course.

If you can and did, you amaze me and you are truly a fearless talented skier. I've never seen a downhill live, but would love to witness one. Just skiing down the slope the DH is run on for me added a lot of perspective as to how talented and strong these World Cuppers are. It just has to be amazing to see close up. Television doesn't do it justice.
post #36 of 57
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Originally Posted by roundturns View Post
I've never seen a downhill live, but would love to witness one. Just skiing down the slope the DH is run on for me added a lot of perspective as to how talented and strong these World Cuppers are. It just has to be amazing to see close up. Television doesn't do it justice.
There are several sports where that is true - certainly alpine downhill is one. I would add ski jumping to that - if you have never seen it live, you just don't know...Walk up beside the landing hill for a real view, or take a tour to the top of the tower, if available.

Bobsled also - the sleds make a lot of noise that you are not aware of.

And speaking of noise and guts, top-fuel funny car or dragster for sure!!!!
post #37 of 57
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Originally Posted by JackFrost View Post
I have been over 95mph on the non FIS GS12. Like you I rarely ski below 60mph and if I do it's usually because I am tired or want to relax a little. If you have the skill you can easily pushthe non FIS models to warp speed. My max speed of all was 124mph on a non FIS head WorlCup model.
If this isn't for fun I'm guessing you are thinking km/h?
post #38 of 57
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
Party's over chief.
1) You always ski below 60mph.
2) The only time you have gone 124mph was in an airplane.

When speaking about factual information around here, we like to actually keep things truthful and helpful. Unless you are a professional speed skier, you have never gone 124mph on skis (but you probably knew that didn't you?). Try to add something valuable to the conversation from now on or refrain from posting. It's not that funny.

Later

GREG

Oh yeah, welcome to EpicSki.
Metric conversion error? Planes have ran out of gas that way (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider)
post #39 of 57
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Originally Posted by roundturns View Post
There is just now way IMHO a skier short of an elite World Cup racer could handle speeds this high not even putting into considerattion the fact that the speeds being referenced were achieved on skiers other than downhill skis and on a prepared course.
Bull. I saw a telemark skier hit just shy of 70 mph on a regular black groomer. Do a search @ TGR for "radar day".

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...&postcount=228
post #40 of 57
I've done 60 on 193 cm Atomic 10:22 gs skis. It was on a closed course in a race by the way. The skis worked fine, but I wouldn't recommend skiing at those speeds on an open slope.
post #41 of 57
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Originally Posted by NE1 View Post
Bobsled also - the sleds make a lot of noise that you are not aware of.
I was in Lake Placid, NY years ago. Back then (maybe they still do it?) they would take you on a trip down the bobsled course. Professional driver and brakeman. They'd start you from half-way down, and if that's not scary enough, they'd take you from the top.

I damn near shat myself on that thing, and I only ever took it from half-way. I was there with the DC ski club; of the 30 of us, only one person wanted to go from the top. They won't take just one person (I guess they need the bobsled to be fully loaded?), so she was begging people to take another crack at it.
post #42 of 57
I've done 92km/h in Obertauern last December on my 165 cm SL12 ski's.
Straightlining through a speedtrap seperated from the main slope.
I wasn't very comfortable but all in all OK.

I figure if I would've been on my 186cm GS11:12, that I've sold to my brother, I could've gotten some more out of it and probably would've been better at ease to.

So I say yes, the GS12 should be well capable of handling 60mph.
post #43 of 57

You might...

...but I wouldn't. I had a pair of 180 cm. non-FIS GS 12s, and I didn't even like 'em when I was doing 45. For me, the minimum opening bet for 60 m.p.h. would be one of my pairs of Atomic 201 Super Gs with the beefy plate and 1018s...but your mileage may vary...
post #44 of 57
I've gone over 60 mph on 165 cm 13-metre sidecut radius Fischer WC SCs:.
It seemed really fast compared to the same speed on 208 SGs.
post #45 of 57
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
I've gone over 60 mph on 165 cm 13-metre sidecut radius Fischer WC SCs:.
WHY?!
post #46 of 57
Just for the hell of it.
To see how fast you can go

I did 57 on my SL12's on a closed course mind you.
But I'm not gonna ski past a speedtrap and not try it just because I don't have my fastest ski's on my feet.
post #47 of 57
Thread Starter 



The answer is...YES!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #48 of 57

70? That's it?

 

Nice.

post #49 of 57

Good fun eh?

 

Get ready to be flamed.  No one can go that fast without  yada yada  Gps sucks etc.

 

I stirred this pot a few weeks ago when we had old snow and empty smooth groomers.

 

 

I  believe your little device.  Here's a test I did with mine in the last speed flame war:

 

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Originally Posted by TomB View Post

newfydog,

 

I really don't know how to answer your question. Here are some thoughts:

 

1) Typical normal accuracy (one-sigma) for well-designed civil GPS equipment under nominal operating conditions with SA off should be about 10 m horizontal and 13 m vertical.


 

Everytime we have one of these parties the functionality of GPS is discussed.  I know it can be bad,  My unit will sometimes claim 3 metre accuracy, sometimes 150 m.

 

I was wondering how good it can be.  I've notice when you reset the odometer, it first reads in cm, records every movement of your arm.  I never paid much attention to the numbers before, but today I thought I'd check them.

 

I measured two points one meter apart (notice that I go in and out of Canadian spelling eh?)  I reset the distance and moved the unit.  It instantly read 104 cm!  I moved it back and it went to 203.  I did it ten times and it never measured shorter than 97 cm or longer than 105.

 

Pretty scary that can be done from satellites, even some of the time.

 


 http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/79838/50-mph-barrier/30

post #50 of 57

 

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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post

 

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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
I've gone over 60 mph on 165 cm 13-metre sidecut radius Fischer WC SCs:.
WHY?!

 

When I first got my GPS, I used to put it in a coat pocket, and have it record at 1 second intervals just out of curiosity.  When I felt the need for speed, I was just to lazy to go to the car and get more suitable skis.

 

I also did a few experiments to see if long skis skied faster than slow skis and how much difference it made.

I found the skis made a big difference in the sensation of the speed you were traveling at, but if you tried to go as fast as you could, the final speed didn't change by much.

 

Yeah, most won't believe your little device.  There is always the possiblility of error, and some obvious errors have caused folks to throw out the baby with the bath water.

 

A little misadventure with a binding release this season has caused me to reconsider skiing fast on SL skis, at least if there are piles of dense crud to turn in instead of the usual hardpack and ice.

post #51 of 57

 

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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post

 

Good fun eh?

 

Get ready to be flamed.  No one can go that fast without  yada yada  Gps sucks etc.

 

I stirred this pot a few weeks ago when we had old snow and empty smooth groomers.

 

 

I  believe your little device.  Here's a test I did with mine in the last speed flame war:

 


 

Everytime we have one of these parties the functionality of GPS is discussed.  I know it can be bad,  My unit will sometimes claim 3 metre accuracy, sometimes 150 m.

 

I was wondering how good it can be.  I've notice when you reset the odometer, it first reads in cm, records every movement of your arm.  I never paid much attention to the numbers before, but today I thought I'd check them.

 

I measured two points one meter apart (notice that I go in and out of Canadian spelling eh?)  I reset the distance and moved the unit.  It instantly read 104 cm!  I moved it back and it went to 203.  I did it ten times and it never measured shorter than 97 cm or longer than 105.

 

Pretty scary that can be done from satellites, even some of the time.

 


 http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/79838/50-mph-barrier/30

 

While the accuracy of a consumer level GPS is often on a 10-metre level or worse, the relative accuracy as you move around is usually pretty good - because the error stays the same as long as you are measuring from the same # of satellites.

post #52 of 57

I can't say for this particular pair, but I would say they are not all that different then some other company non race stock skis. I tried a while ago Fischer non FIS WC GS skis and it's possible to ski them around 100km/h (60mph), and yes it was measured, so... ;) I obviously ski about same way as you, and my choice are FIS compliant, race stock Fischer WC GS skis. They just ski nicer with speed like this. But if you will go one run in a day with speed like this, non FIS skis will do just fine.

For JackFrost... I believe you were talking about km/h not mph. If it's in km/h it's possible without much of problems.  Skiing with speed around 100km/h is not all that big deal as someone might think. On the other side, if you really meant 124mph... well yeah skiing at 200km/h might be fun :D

post #53 of 57

 

 

Bring back base grooves.

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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post

 

I did about 55mph on my non-FIS gs12's without hitting trees Just remember to go up in DIN-value - pre-release will kill you..

  This is a potentially dangerous concept to propagate. Pre-release during racing (skiing on hard surface) is not due to din at all (given an appropriate setting). It is due to not weighting the ski adequately, properly. When the ski is not weighted it is not dampened by your shock-absorbing legs. The ski goes into a chatter and a vibration along its length. That is what releases it, a bad turn.( I was watching the J-4's release a lot in a race, and not one of them complained to their coach about the binding or the din. They knew why the ski came off.)

post #55 of 57

If you are skiing at 60+ mph thorough a rough surface (say smallish bumps) the ski can get shaken off at chart-recommended DIN settings.  Notice that the recommended minimum weight of skiers for race bindings posted on manufacturer's web sites are often low enough that the chart-recommend DIN for a skier of that weight isn't even high enough to reach the lowest available setting on the binding.  Maybe there is a good reason for that. 

post #56 of 57

A few somewhat disparate thoughts:

 

If you're just going straight down a groomed hill, there's no particular skill involved in going 60 mph. If there's a runout, there's not even any skill involved in stopping. Someone who'd been on skis for a few days would be perfectly capable of doing it, though there might be some very high (if not insurmountable) psychologic hurdles to overcome.

 

You shouldn't have any particular difficulty doing this with any properly tuned adult GS, or general all-mountain, ski.

 

Whether this is a smart thing to do depends on a number of other things about you, the situation, and the presence of ski patrolmen.

 

Pre-release while racing arises from a number of factors, which often involve the racer doing something he would rather not have done. Anyone who is running a GS course without ever making a mistake or a bad turn is running a course that's waaaaaay too easy.

 

post #57 of 57

there are plenty of race stock dh boards available on ebay for cheap.

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