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post #151 of 158
pmts book #2 has it in a few places, as does the video

p60 "Pulling the free heel inward makes it easier to balance on the stance ski and increases the effectiveness of the tipping..."

p65 fig b and fig c: shows pictures of him pulling free foot up against stance boot...heel first.

p65 "The stance ski will change direction more easily as a result of free foot tipping, tilting or rolling if it is kept flat on the snow. It will require no active steering, twisting, or displacing of the tail to make the stance ski turn. The actions and refinements of the free foot create "resultant turning" of the stance ski.

p69 - more photos showing heel first action of moving free foot towards stance boot.
post #152 of 158
Thanks for digging that up. Now I see what you were talking about (Miles and John as well).
post #153 of 158
Thread Starter 
How interesting! "Pulling the free heel inwards" implies to me that the toes are not being pulled inward. So this is not a rotation that focusses on guiding the toes to the direction of travel. It moves the heel so that the toes point in the desired direction.

The benefit of this move is that there is a built in restriction in the range of this movement, so that the skier will not over-rotate as is often the case for those that turn via pivotting.

The drawback?
post #154 of 158
Note that pulling the free heel towards the stance boot is not the same as pointing the toes of the inside foot to the inside of the turn.
The drawback is that you might like it and become a Koolaid drinking mofo.
post #155 of 158
You know,,,

You can create the same effect without having to do all the lifting and tipping and pulling and foot turning. Just Waist Steer. The feet stay right where they are on the snow,,, the body remains rotationally aligned,,, the femurs do not rotate in the hip sockets. Much simpler.
post #156 of 158
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Well, you know, these moves won't do anything at all without sufficient tension in the core to activate the kinetic chain.

No repositioning of the feet, can be done without direct recruitment of muscles higher up in the "kinetic chain". Tipping and ankle flexion is all you've got at the foot itself. Pulling the foot back and moving the heels together is not something that happens to the foot -- it's something that requires involvment of the entire leg, hip and core.

What you focus on when you are teaching someone how to ski in an entirely different matter. Should one focus on movments at the core or at the extremities? One could easily argue both sides, and honestly, isn't focusing on the movement at the feet more compelling? I mean that is where the rubber meets the road!
post #157 of 158
Focusing on the feet up is certainly the position of PMTS. Absolutely. My feeling is that many of the movements being taught by PMTS result in similar things that other high end racers and skiers are using, however, PMTS tries very hard to do this almost entirely from the foot up. Me personally, I like to combine both, but I must admit that certain things make a lot of sense for me to think about from the feet up. One of HH's rationale for feet up is that we have finer control over our hands and feet then we do with our clumbsy but strong large muscles that are closer to the core, or the core itself. Therefore he feels that directing movements from the feet provides a finer degree of control. However, i personally feel that they might be skimming over powerful actions which can be directed from the core and other places when appropriate. Their assumption is largely that the body will make those movements automatically through the kinetic chain.

I agree with miles by the way about heel in. Its not the same as toes out. Part of pulling the heel in is to also make the tipping motion more effective. Pulling the free foot up to the stance boot makes tipping more effective and doing it heel first makes it even more effective. Somewhere in there, some rotational component happens. My impression is that at higher levels of skiing, the focus on heel first is not there. that is something done only at very low levels to get new skiers to experience turning their skiis without using wedges and without using directed femur rotation pivoting moves.

At higher levels, simply tipping will provide carving and moving the free foot over towards the stance boot will enhance the kinetic chain effects of tipping. If the outside ski is kept flat, it sounds like it will rotate too..providing tighter turns and speed control when desired.
post #158 of 158
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Remember when you say PMTS, 'TS' stands for teaching system. It's supposed to teach you to ski well. It is not a 'style'. So when you leave the tutelage and forge forwards on your own, I would hope that the measure of success is whether or not you are a 'good skier', as opposed to having the abiliy to reproduce perfect "form".
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