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FreeFlex on flat ski?

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Can you mount a FR17 on a flat ski? I kind of like this binding, but the owner of my local ski shop said I would have to mount an old-style binding on my skis because all the new bindings with tracks are built-in to the skis. He had a cheap Marker to sell me too, but I'm fussy. I think I should be able to buy a plate or something, or that the binding should come with one part that screws into the ski and another that "tracks" along this part. I think it would be nice to be able to reset my bindings so I could swap skis with big-footed friends without having to re-drill, so something with a track is appealing.
post #2 of 24
You can put an FR17 on any flat ski.
post #3 of 24
Takecontrol's right, you can mount it flat with no problems at all.

If you're looking for something that lets you easily change binding length, you can get a railflex 2 base and the RFD14 Demo, which is pretty much the same as the FF 17, but the DIN goes from 4-14, and it's a demo binding, so it's very easily adjustable (I have one myself, takes under a minute to set it up, don't have to take it off the rails or anything).
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks. Thats more along the lines of what I had thought, though I admit I'm not up on bindings.

I think I've just about given up on my local ski shop. Seems to me HE didn't have any bindings of the type I wanted so he told me I couldn't put that type on my skis.: Then again maybe he figures I'm not rich enough to be a worthwhile customer and I should go away and leave him alone. All right then. Done!
post #5 of 24
You can mount the FF+17 flat on the ski, or on a Tyrolia CP13 plate, available seperately.
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by CanuckInstructor View Post
Takecontrol's right, you can mount it flat with no problems at all.

If you're looking for something that lets you easily change binding length, you can get a railflex 2 base and the RFD14 Demo, which is pretty much the same as the FF 17, but the DIN goes from 4-14, and it's a demo binding, so it's very easily adjustable (I have one myself, takes under a minute to set it up, don't have to take it off the rails or anything).
I'm guessing that then that the FF+17 does not allow the binding to be adjusted from a 9 to a 13 without remounting, and the RFD14 DEmo with railflex 2 base won't keep you in if you end up carving around an icy mogul on your tails at 60.

Also I can find FF17 race on e-bay. Where can I get the RFD14Demo setup without paying retail; It's insane here. I can get race bindings off e-bay for 1/2 of what shops are asking for garden variety bindings.
post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
I'm guessing that then that the FF+17 does not allow the binding to be adjusted from a 9 to a 13 without remounting,
But it is a lot easier with the plate mentioned above^
post #8 of 24
The plate is the way to go. See http://levelninesports.com/tyrolia-2...lver-p-80.html

This is the less expensive 9mm plate from Tyrolia.
post #9 of 24
I don't think you would need the demo version of the RailFlex. The standard version are more difficult to set initially to the boot sole length, but once they're set, you won't need to change it.
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
The plate is the way to go. See http://levelninesports.com/tyrolia-2...lver-p-80.html

This is the less expensive 9mm plate from Tyrolia.
I might also be tempted to take a run in my old size 8 race boots.

So if I get this plate and a FF+17 race I can mount it up on my Volant McGs, stay in if I get bounced too far back (I hope that never happens again: ), and let my friends try them out? Will that require remounting onto the plate every time I switch boot lengths?

Thanks for the advice!
post #11 of 24
The Tyrolia Free Flex 17 is often mounted flat. A lot of freeskiers prefer no plate.

Tyrolia Rail Flex bindings and plate can be re-set for any size boot. It takes only a couple of minutes to do and can be reset as often as needed. Once set it can also be adjusted to a position either forward and back from center of 1.5cm with a turn of a screw. The Rail Flex plate is attached to the ski like any other plate and is not "built in". Your local ski shop is misinformed as to Tyrolia's.

I have Free Flex bindings on several of my skis. I also have two pairs of skis mounted with Rail Flex. My Rail Flex (a Fischer badged Tyrolia) has a maximum DIN of 12. The Tyrolia Rail Flex now goes to a maximum DIN of 14.
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by Lostboy View Post
The Free Flex 17 is often mounted flat. A lot of freeskiers prefer no plate.
Rail Flex bindings and plate can be re-set for any size boot. It takes only a couple of minutes to do and can be reset as often as needed. Once set it can also be adjusted to a position either forward and back from center of 1.5cm with a turn of a screw. The Rail Flex plate is attached to the ski like any other plate and is not "built in". Your local ski shop is misinformed as to Tyrolia's.
Ok. FF17+ means remounting to the plate but not redrilling, or mounting flat and leaving there.
RF means no need to remount to go from size 8 to size 13 boots.

Now is there an RF binding that has the race toe (Not that I need a hight din, I just don't like the idea of retention instead of upward release)?
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Ok. FF17+ means remounting to the plate but not redrilling, or mounting flat and leaving there.
RF means no need to remount to go from size 8 to size 13 boots.

Now is there an RF binding that has the race toe (Not that I need a hight din, I just don't like the idea of retention instead of upward release)?
This year's RFD 14
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Ok. FF17+ means remounting to the plate but not redrilling, or mounting flat and leaving there.
RF means no need to remount to go from size 8 to size 13 boots.

Now is there an RF binding that has the race toe (Not that I need a hight din, I just don't like the idea of retention instead of upward release)?

The Tyrolia race toe piece releases laterally only. They avoid an upward release feature to accommodate a lot of extreme backward positions many racers find themselves in from time to time when they still hope to avoid a binding release.

I've never used a Tyrolia plate so I'll defer to others on this. My Free Flex bindings are drilled into existing ski plates that came with the skis.

Tyrolia/Fischer Rail Flex bindings have both a vertical and horizontal release feature. The Rail Flex system does not have a race toe piece. Maximum DIN is 14 on this year's Tyrolia version (Max. DIN is 12 on Fischer's version of Rail Flex).

The Rail Flex Plate must be drilled to the ski. The binding is then adjusted to the boot length using a scale on the underside of a mechanism that connects the toe and heel pieces. The assembly then slides onto the rails of the Rail Flex plate and is screwed down with a single screw.

The same screw can be adjusted to move the binding assembly 1.5 cm forward or backward from center. To re-set for another boot size, unscrew the screw, slide the assembly off and reset using the scale mentioned above and slide the assembly back on the plate's rails.

Hope that helps some.
post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Now is there an RF binding that has the race toe (Not that I need a hight din, I just don't like the idea of retention instead of upward release)?
I Meant to say "I LIKE THE IDEA OF RETENTION INSTEAD OF UPWARD RELEASE." I want the race toe. Looks like I'm stuck with the race binding, and my friends will have to get their own skis.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
I Meant to say "I LIKE THE IDEA OF RETENTION INSTEAD OF UPWARD RELEASE." I want the race toe. Looks like I'm stuck with the race binding, and my friends will have to get their own skis.
The Free Flex is a very good binding. Your friends can be content in knowing that, by purchasing their own skis, they are helping to keep the industry healthy.
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by Lostboy View Post
The Tyrolia race toe piece releases laterally only.
FYI - Tyrolia Site: http://www.tyrolia.com/?id=31&L=0
>>>
RACE DIAGONAL
  • Specially designed for racers.
  • Vertical retention/release values are set higher.
  • Allows even the most extreme backward lean during races without unwanted release.
>>>>

So, you can still go out vertically, but it take much more force.


BTW: Both of my FF17+s are mounted flat to the ski.

If you just want the race toe, the Mojo 15 is also a good binding to keep an eye out for.
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by StormDay View Post

If you just want the race toe, the Mojo 15 is also a good binding to keep an eye out for.
I also like the diagonal heel.
post #19 of 24
Ghost, the Mojo has a diagonal heel; 15 is an excellent binding in my experience. The race toe on the FF and RF is simply a heavier upforce spring, more metal in the housing. There was a thread on this point.

What ski? If you're talking about a midfat Volant, a FF+ seems like overkill. While a lot of folks argue for a flat mount for wider skis, a few here prefer sliding bindings. I have RF's on my Goats, for instance, enjoy the ability to adjust my position depending on terrain, let the ski flex under me.

Tyrolia also has a LD toe/heel flat or with a very narrow plate (Cyber) that simply allows heel flex, no springs. Lighter than the Mojo. They top out at 12, so maybe not for a maniac racer.
post #20 of 24
beyond already mentioned this, but I'm fairly certain that even the "race" flavors of Tyrolia bindings still release "diagonally" (Tyrolia speak for upward - somewhat). I've taken the bindings apart and what you find in the toe is 2 concentric springs - one controls the lateral release modes and the other the diagonal release modes. The second stiffer spring in the Race Diagonal toes requires additional pressure to trigger the diagonal release directions for each respective lateral release DIN setting.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post
beyond already mentioned this, but I'm fairly certain that even the "race" flavors of Tyrolia bindings still release "diagonally" (Tyrolia speak for upward - somewhat). I've taken the bindings apart and what you find in the toe is 2 concentric springs - one controls the lateral release modes and the other the diagonal release modes. The second stiffer spring in the Race Diagonal toes requires additional pressure to trigger the diagonal release directions for each respective lateral release DIN setting.
After StormDay pointed out above in this thread that the Free Flex does release upward, I did a little research. You are right there are two springs in the toe piece of the Free Flex. I didn't realize that the Free Flex had upward release at all.
post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 
Ok.
I bought the Free Flex Plus 17 race binding off e-bay.
It has a 21mm stand height. I'm now wondering. Should I mount it flat or on the 9mm plate mentioned above? I would think 21mm is already high enough off the ski, but I don't know. I'm thinking with the plate I might even be able to swap back and forth between my SGs and the Volants. I'm guessing its just a question of torquing a few bolts to swap bindings once plates are installed on both skis. (wife's mad at me though so maybe I better not tell her I'm buying plates too).
post #23 of 24
I think you're talking about a carving setup. In that case 21mm from the binding is not much. You can easily add a plate. I like a stand height of about 45-55mm (including the ski) for carving setups. Most skis are between 12mm-20mm in thickness (you'd have to measure yours). There's no way a 9mm plate (there's also a 13mm available) would make things ridiculous. I'd go with the plate.
post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post
I think you're talking about a carving setup. In that case 21mm from the binding is not much. You can easily add a plate. I like a stand height of about 45-55mm (including the ski) for carving setups. Most skis are between 12mm-20mm in thickness (you'd have to measure yours). There's no way a 9mm plate (there's also a 13mm available) would make things ridiculous. I'd go with the plate.
O.k. Great!
Thanks a lot.

Anybody know a good source for the plate in Canada? I hate having to deal with border problems.
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